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Old 12-03-2013, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default vertical zoom shouldn't throw away relative track heights

If I stretch an individual track vertically and subsequently use the "View: Zoom vertically" action with my mouse trackwheel, Reaper resets all the heights of all the tracks to be identical. This is frustrating, as I often set up the various heights in a certain way. Using saved layouts or screensets or whatever would apply isn't a solution because the various heights aren't something I want to return to in the future, just something that is set up temporarily for editing: I want to retain the proportional relationship of the track sizes while I move around the project, and the desired relationship changes a lot.

One use case is when I have a few folder tracks that contain grouped items that I want to compare with each other while still being able to see waveform detail: I enlarge one track from each folder group, and the other stay small, so I can see both on the screen at once. But as soon as I zoom in or out overall, this relationship is discarded and I have to recreate it over and over.

Cubase/Nuendo had (and I assume still has) a system where the tracks are all scaled proportionally. At the limits of scaling (e.g. tracks fully shrunk), the tracks that can't scale anymore just stop scaling. Cubase/Nuendo discards the proportion at that point, but Reaper could go one better and keep it in the metadata.

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(I looked for relevant actions/options/etc and found none to achieve this behavior...)
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:15 PM   #2
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+1 This annoys me too.

Almost certainly more of an oversight than an actual bug.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:36 PM   #3
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Agreed, it's definitely a FR.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:38 AM   #5
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+1
I was posting the same issue the other day in the general forum... Definitely voting for this!

I need some tracks to maintain the height.. tracks with multiple lanes, tracks with empty annotation items, tracks with midi in line open...
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Old 03-07-2018, 11:04 PM   #6
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I realized I still had a link to this FR in my .sig and wanted to bump it for the modern era... doesn't seem like it'd be all that painful to implement (though who can ever say from the outside, of course), and the payoff would be huge for those of us that like to stretch things around just so.

To me, the less time I spend resizing and shaping things to get my workflow going, the better, and once I have it all dialed in, it's frustrating to have it thrown out as soon as I rescale the view.

Thanks for considering!

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Old 03-07-2018, 11:27 PM   #7
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+1000 !
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I'm definitely in support of this.
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Old 03-08-2018, 05:30 AM   #9
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Agree, the zooming functions are very bare-bones at best, and often distracting.

For vertical zoom I'm using "SWS/wol: Adjust selected envelope or last touched track height (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)". With this you can mwheel-zoom just the selected track, while keeping others in place. There are two downsides though:

1. it only works on one track
2. if your mouse is hovering over the TCP, it reverts back to the default zoom action and scales ALL tracks.
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Old 03-08-2018, 07:01 AM   #10
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so, FR for "mousewheel+modifier to resize track heights retaining relative differences until smallest tracks have reached minimal track height upon which begin reducing relatively larger track heights"

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Old 03-08-2018, 11:11 AM   #11
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so, FR for "mousewheel+modifier to resize track heights retaining relative differences until smallest tracks have reached minimal track height upon which begin reducing relatively larger track heights"
I wouldn't want it pinned to a particular mouse modifier, necessarily; I'd rather have an option that just made it the default behavior for all vertical scaling that modified multiple tracks. But yeah: once the minimum is reached on one track, the others start scaling down even though the relationship will be broken.

And ideally it would remember those relationships even once that first track has reached its minimum. E.g. scale everything to minimum height, and then when you scale back up the relationship of track sizes emerges again.

Of course you would also want the ability to reset or forget the relationships for selected (or all) tracks.

And of course we'll eventually want actions and script hooks for all of it. :-) And could we have a cherry on top, too?

One interesting question is what to do when multiple tracks are selected and one of the selected tracks is having it's vertical height adjusted via mouse drag. I'd personally rather have only that track adjusted, but I can see the arguments for having all selected tracks scale proportionally, or having them all snap to the same height and then scaled in sync, etc.
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:04 AM   #12
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+1000...

It's exactly this behavior that makes me avoid using the vertical zoom at all in Reaper... A proportional track heights zooming shouldn't be too difficult to implement and would be a real improvement of our workflow.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:20 PM   #13
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I say +1
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:14 AM   #14
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I would vote (yes) ... but it is imposible, no matter if I use IE or Chrome.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:01 AM   #15
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I would vote (yes) ... but it is imposible, no matter if I use IE or Chrome.
There is no voting anymore (as of a couple years ago), just discussion in this forum, so your post is all they need. :-)
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:11 AM   #16
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Of course yes. +1
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:38 PM   #17
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Yes....+1 Very time consuming counter behaviour
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:25 AM   #18
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+1!!

(and/or the ability to lock specific track heights, but that's another post)
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:29 AM   #19
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(and/or the ability to lock specific track heights, but that's another post)
Check pre-release forum.
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