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v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020
v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020
- + Bounce/Glue: filter illegal filename characters out of wildcard replacements
- + Media explorer: add various display zoom actions
- + Mixer: fix resizing between send and fxparm lists when inserts not visible
- + Recording: support automatically creating folders (including based on wildcard substitution) for recorded files
- + Render/Convert: allow / (create directory) in target filename, regardless of preference to allow / in wildcard substitutions
- # Area selection: snapping improvements
- # BWF: fix calculating source preferred position [p=2315899&]
- # MCP FX: improve appearance of empty slots
- # MCP extended mixer: When grouping FX parameters, use separate list
- # Media explorer: fix default preview waveform height
- # Media explorer: support assigning keyboard shortcut to delete files action
- # Media explorer: when adding media on a new track, select the track
- # wav: safer memory allocation/protection against unexpected data when reading wav files [t=239449]
This thread is for pre-release features discussion. Use the Feature Requests forum for other requests.
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07-08-2020, 01:18 PM
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[*]# MCP extended mixer: When grouping FX parameters, use separate list
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Now the question is if TCP should have this too. How possible it is that a user using separate parameters in MCP would want mixed parameters in TCP vs also separate (grouped) parameters in TCP.
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07-08-2020, 01:21 PM
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Now the question is if TCP should have this too. How possible it is that a user using separate parameters in MCP would want mixed parameters in TCP vs also separate (grouped) parameters in TCP.
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I guess that depends on what we consider an "extended" TCP? Since that doesn't really exist on the TCP side vs MCP. It would really only seem to apply if your TCP height is pretty large.
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07-08-2020, 01:22 PM
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Since that doesn't really exist on the TCP side vs MCP. It would really only seem to apply if your TCP height is pretty large.
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That's a valid point!
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07-08-2020, 01:24 PM
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v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020
# MCP extended mixer: When grouping FX parameters, use separate list
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yeah, and here we go...
thanks
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07-08-2020, 01:32 PM
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I guess that depends on what we consider an "extended" TCP? Since that doesn't really exist on the TCP side vs MCP. It would really only seem to apply if your TCP height is pretty large.
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Well for this conceptualizariin yeahh .. but is still needed , but not in This form.
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Reaper in Select Area mode does not copy hidden envelopes.
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07-08-2020, 01:38 PM
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On linux:
If I scroll on the media explorer waveform the arrange window scrolls too.
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07-08-2020, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Klangfarben
I guess that depends on what we consider an "extended" TCP? Since that doesn't really exist on the TCP side vs MCP. It would really only seem to apply if your TCP height is pretty large.
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True. Or you could scroll down to them parameters, which would actually be the same distance as scrolling to the last plugin with mixed parameters.
It again brings to me question why not port the whole MCP extended mixer into TCP, with some adjustments to better fit horizontal nature of TCP, e.g. columns for fx/params/sends. From user's perspective, that would probably be easier to use than current semi-similar/semi-different solution and would definitely add in consistency across the program.. Theme elements could be reused easily.
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07-08-2020, 01:44 PM
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Reaper in Select Area mode does not copy hidden envelopes.
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That's by design. The starting point with area selection is that it selects everything you see in the box.
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07-08-2020, 01:44 PM
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This is gonna be a super nice update! Really excited about all these new features.
The only thing, which I've reported before, is that Monitor FX which were open when I closed Reaper previously no longer open automatically when I open Reaper again. It's a minor thing, but it would be nice to not have to open up FX every time I open Reaper.
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07-08-2020, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bFooz
It again brings to me question why not port the whole MCP extended mixer into TCP, with some adjustments to better fit horizontal nature of TCP, e.g. columns for fx/params/sends. From user's perspective, that would probably be easier to use than current semi-similar/semi-different solution and would definitely add in consistency across the program.. Theme elements could be reused easily.
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I would fully support being able to switch between normal and extended views in the TCP and giving themers the ability to create layouts for both. Would not only provide consistency, it would solve a lot of usability issues in the TCP itself.
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07-08-2020, 01:50 PM
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That's by design. The starting point with area selection is that it selects everything you see in the box.
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And I like it. WYSIWYG is the best!
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07-08-2020, 01:56 PM
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Could we have an indicator in the MCP (and now also in the TCP), when an FX window is open? Like a change in color of the button.
We have it for "bypass" and "offline", but not for "float fx configuration"
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Since we are currently making changes to Walter/Theme tweaker in this cycle, I'd like to give a gentle nudge and request a theme tweaker setting to select a different highlight color for FX in the MCP/TCP that currently have an open window displayed.
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07-08-2020, 02:05 PM
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[*]# MCP FX: improve appearance of empty slots
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What does this do? Is this theme-dependent? Can't see any change in my Reaper.
Btw I have seen in the recent pres that its is possible to display (and I suppose open and add) insert FX to the TCP. This would be very cool as that way it might be possible for me to work without mixer. But I can not see how to do that. Does it have to do with Fx parameters? I don't use them so I don't know how they work exactly. I know that I can add a single parameter from an FX via the "Param" button but I don't find any option to add the whole insert to be accessible via TCP.
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07-08-2020, 02:13 PM
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+ Recording: support automatically creating folders (including based on wildcard substitution) for recorded files
Woo hoo! If that's what it sounds like then super thanks!
Hmm. I'm hoping that means parent track and track? I'll give it a go!
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07-08-2020, 02:17 PM
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Scrollbar is not above embedded FX:
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07-08-2020, 02:20 PM
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Hello devs,
Is it possible to expand the volume fader, please ?
More long, so more accurate. And more esthetic. No wasted space.
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07-08-2020, 02:26 PM
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+ Render/Convert: allow / (create directory) in target filename, regardless of preference to allow / in wildcard substitutions
Thanks for this too!
Regarding folder directories. It would be amazing if we could have a way to do something like this at some point..
\$ParentTrack\$Track
Which works now but only covers one parent track.
If we could have something else we can add to have it include multiple levels of parent tracks, creating sub folders for each level of parent track nesting that would be amazing for game audio.
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07-08-2020, 02:26 PM
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Is it possible to expand the volume fader, please ?
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More tweaks of responsivnes are needed. This is usually approached "mobile-first", in our terms meaning first design the layout of the smallest possible window and then expand larger.
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07-08-2020, 02:30 PM
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\$ParentTrack\$Track
Which works now but only covers one parent track.
If we could have something else we can add to have it include multiple levels of parent tracks, creating sub folders for each level of parent track nesting that would be amazing for game audio.
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Since when ? Uau did not see that comming ! Nice ! And +1 for parent2folder
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07-08-2020, 02:32 PM
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btw if the track is named "foo/bar" that folder structure will be automatically created as well (optionally, the option is with the wildcard options).
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07-08-2020, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostrap
The only thing, which I've reported before, is that Monitor FX which were open when I closed Reaper previously no longer open automatically when I open Reaper again.
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FWIW I tried v5.99 and v6.12 and neither open the monitoring FX chain window on startup. Are you sure you didn't have an action running on start up? For example you can use SWS global startup action feature, enter 41882, that is the action # for "View: Show monitoring FX chain".
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07-08-2020, 02:44 PM
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Any chance of getting AS to snap respect snap to project sample rate, and also cursor, time selection, markers to AS starts and ends?
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07-08-2020, 02:47 PM
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v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020[*]# MCP extended mixer: When grouping FX parameters, use separate list
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Thank you! Much appreciated.
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07-08-2020, 02:55 PM
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Typo
In Theme development/tweaker; FX isnert text: offline. Should read; FX insert text: offline.
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07-08-2020, 03:17 PM
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That's by design. The starting point with area selection is that it selects everything you see in the box.
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Was this changed recently. I could swear that in previous dev builds hidden envelopes moved/copied with area selection as long as the "Envelope points move with media items" option was turned on, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. Hidden envelopes don't copy even when the option is on.
Anyways if that's a design choice, it feels like a really poor one to me. I use lots and lots of automation envelopes, so I keep most of them hidden, otherwise the screen gets cluttered. I need to be able to have the envelopes follow my edits, and I don't want to have to toggle visibilty on and off everytime I make an edit.
In general I don't understand the decision to have the existing editing options/prefrences (trim behind, auto-crossfades, and now envelope follow) not apply to area selections. I get that a lot people want area selection to always be "WYSIWYG", but as long as they set their options correctly it can still work how they want it, while those of us who do need it to work differently sometimes, can still toggle the options on and off. Best of both worlds, no?
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07-08-2020, 03:26 PM
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Was this changed recently. I could swear that in previous dev builds hidden envelopes moved/copied with area selection as long as the "Envelope points move with media items" option was turned on, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. Hidden envelopes don't copy even when the option is on.
Anyways if that's a design choice, it feels like a really poor one to me. I use lots and lots of automation envelopes, so I keep most of them hidden otherwise the screen gets cluttered. I need to be able to have my envelopes follow my edits, and I don't want to have to toggle visibilty on and off everytime I make an edit.
In general I don't understand the decision to have the existing editing options/prefrences (trim behind, auto-crossfades, and now envelope follow) not apply to area selections. I get that a lot people want area selection to always be "WYSIWYG", but as long as they set their options correctly it can still work how they want it, while those of who do need it to work differently sometimes can still toggle the options on and off. Best of both worlds, no?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it used to copy hidden envelopes in a previous version. That's what I'd expect if I have "Envelope points move with media items" turned ON. It sucks having to expand all envelopes if you want to quickly copy a section of the track.
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Was this changed recently. I could swear that in previous dev builds hidden envelopes moved/copied with area selection as long as the "Envelope points move with media items" option was turned on, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. Hidden envelopes don't copy even when the option is on
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Yeah, I thought this had been discussed as well and that the expectation was if Envelope points move with media items was enabled, they would always be copied with AS, whether explicitly selected/visible or not.
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Not tested but is there a version with a warning popup ? Just as a safety measure to prevent errors.
Also, does the file goes to windows/mac recycle bin ?
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btw if the track is named "foo/bar" that folder structure will be automatically created as well (optionally, the option is with the wildcard options).
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Nice! That's going to be very useful thanks!
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Yeah, I thought this had been discussed as well and that the expectation was if Envelope points move with media items was enabled, they would always be copied with AS, whether explicitly selected/visible or not.
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I'm inclined to agree.
I'm generally a fan of the WYSIWYG approach for A.S, but in this situation it does feel more sensible to have A.S respect the 'move envelope points with media items' setting.
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07-08-2020, 04:33 PM
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v6.12+dev0708 - July 8 2020
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Zoom in/out to selection works well, thanks!
The Media Explorer is my second home so the renovations are much appreciated.
A few other ideas.
-Zoom to right or left edge of selection (great for fine tuning loop points without endless mousing).
(Selection related but zoom/selection go hand in hand):
-Redo last selection.
-Modifier to lock the opposite edge of the selection. Countless times I've zoomed way in to tweak a selection edge only to accidentally lose the selection and have to zoom out and start over.
-Snap right or left edge of selection to the nearest zero crossing to prevent clicks (and/or adjust the whole selection to nearest zero-crossings).
-Adjust right/left selection edge to the next/previous beat (using the BPM calculated from the file length).
(reaper_wave.dll issues appear to be fixed)
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in the real world where you use the software to produce, my estimate is that 99% of the times you copy items or an area, you WANT to copy the envelopes too. because you want to copy the sound of the area, not the items only. If you have 20 envelopes I want to copy them without having them visible because it would be more difficult to select the area across multiple tracks with many envelopes visible too.
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Writing metadata from the media explorer isn't working for me. I keep getting the following error
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Yeah, I thought this had been discussed as well and that the expectation was if Envelope points move with media items was enabled, they would always be copied with AS, whether explicitly selected/visible or not.
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I'm inclined to agree.
I'm generally a fan of the WYSIWYG approach for A.S, but in this situation it does feel more sensible to have A.S respect the 'move envelope points with media items' setting.
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in the real world where you use the software to produce, my estimate is that 99% of the times you copy items or an area, you WANT to copy the envelopes too. because you want to copy the sound of the area, not the items only. If you have 20 envelopes I want to copy them without having them visible because it would be more difficult to select the area across multiple tracks with many envelopes visible too.
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I just checked with Ableton, Bitwig and Studio One and they all copy the hidden envelopes with the area selection unless the user explicitly tells the program not to. Makes more sense to me.
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Area selection snapping only seems to work when the grid is visible, this makes sense if you're snapping to grid lines, but not when snapping to the cursor, markers etc. I barely ever show the grid, but would still like to be able to snap areas to the cursor
Edit: once an area selection is already created, I can move it around and it will snap to the cursor when the grid is hidden, but when creating new areas the area selection edges only snap if the grid is visible.
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in the real world where you use the software to produce, my estimate is that 99% of the times you copy items or an area, you WANT to copy the envelopes too. because you want to copy the sound of the area, not the items only. If you have 20 envelopes I want to copy them without having them visible because it would be more difficult to select the area across multiple tracks with many envelopes visible too.
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Agree 100%... We already have the toggle action "automation follow item" when moving items regularly. Why not have this also affect the AS editing, would make the most sense to me.
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media explorer mouse wheel zoom is inverted.
Is it something I did or is there a way to invert this as what is zoom in when on the arrange (mouse wheel scroll up) is currently zooming out in media explorer
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