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08-15-2019, 06:11 PM
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#121
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Why is there no input channel chooser on the track 29 "bass DI"?
The other similar tracks have them
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08-15-2019, 06:54 PM
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#122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Why is there no input channel chooser on the track 29 "bass DI"?
The other similar tracks have them
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Guessing here, but if it's what I keep doing, it's that you've added a new track without specifically setting it to Layout A for the TCP.
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08-15-2019, 08:23 PM
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#123
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Ahh! I will try that
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08-15-2019, 08:40 PM
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#124
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Would it be possible to link MCP/TCP selections as an option?
Edit: I mean just in terms of the show/hide functions in the script.
Last edited by Otto Tune; 08-15-2019 at 09:03 PM.
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08-15-2019, 09:47 PM
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#125
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Nothing I do seems to force it to layout A...Maybe theres an update
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08-16-2019, 11:05 AM
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#126
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I cannot get it to save layout A as the default, what do you have to do to make this happen?
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08-17-2019, 06:53 AM
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#127
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After using this alpha for some time I find it a bit too busy comparing with v5.
I see two elements as first candidates worth reviewing.
First, thin lines above fx and automation buttons. While it might look good idea to use them as state indicators, they are too thin and hard to spot and do their function poorly. Whole FX button changes its color and this is sufficient. Automation button could behave similarly.
Second - route button with strange diagonal color strips. Still cannot remember which color means what and when it is on or off. Also word "Route" on/next to the button doesn't help at all. It is just unnecessary. There are no names on other elements. It would be better to make single color on/off indicators in a row or keep v5 approach.
Any chances these can be changed in future versions?
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08-17-2019, 09:27 AM
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#128
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Human being with feelings
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How long until this isn't just dev build only?
I love the new theme overall but when a dev build isn't available (like right now), for some reason I can no longer see the track inputs in the TCP.
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08-17-2019, 11:31 AM
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#129
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To those who can't get the layout options to persist: did you choose the layout for the TCP/MCP as you would do for any other theme? Once I did that, I had no problem having the layout persist with all changes I set in the script (with the exceptions of some auto-expanding stuff not working without refreshing the mixer, plus another bug in the latest version of Reaper I just reported which affects the pan mode but it affects all themes and not just this one).
If I'm not mistaken, the V6 theme script (in a previous version) allowed you to set this, but it's been changed (regressed to the former behavior for themes in this regard).
You'll probably have to select A, B, C (or 125%/150% versions of those) instead of "layout default") per instance (track, mixer, master, etc.) This can be done on a per-track basis (by selecting the track, right clicking, and changing the layout) or globally from the menu: options -> layouts -> (etc.)
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08-17-2019, 03:16 PM
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#130
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Thanks, James -- on further investigation I think you're exactly right. The only thing I'd add that I missed in this version, from WT's first post, is to delete the 'reaper-themeconfig.ini' which rebuilds when the script is run.
I'm also seeing armed tracks in the MCP not following narrow and element label options, which I think is a bug.
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08-18-2019, 06:40 PM
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#131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMJP
How long until this isn't just dev build only?
I love the new theme overall but when a dev build isn't available (like right now), for some reason I can no longer see the track inputs in the TCP.
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Thats what keeps happening to me
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08-20-2019, 03:53 PM
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#132
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesPeters
To those who can't get the layout options to persist: did you choose the layout for the TCP/MCP as you would do for any other theme?
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Yup, and that's what's not sticking. How can I make it the default for new projects maybe?
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08-21-2019, 05:36 AM
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#133
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Version 1.13 Please download the new theme version from the first post (script is unchanged in this update)
Here is the big transport WALTER update. Much stretching, adjustment and general intelligence is now in (I've written whole themes with less WALTER than this bugger!) ...which will all need a great deal of testing please.
Of the three options I presented, here's the approach I've taken : all 3 of them, sort of. Things shrink (but not too much) as space becomes scarce, such as if you have a narrow window and have set a massive rate fader, but not too much to be unreadable, at which point they disappear. All of this should adjust based on what combination of transport element you have set as visible, and the size of the rate fader of course.
The behaviour varies quite a lot between docked and undocked forms, because they seem to give very different expectations with different users.
The rate fader resizes to lower than the value you set if there isn't room for the value you set, unless its single row, in which case it hides that section, because apparently that makes more sense. I can't, at this point, remember why but I distinctly remember being convinced to do this by someone. You people ask for weird things
Undocked transport can now be reduced all the way down to just the transport control buttons.
The really big news, for me, is that all of this should, in theory, be entirely scale agnostic and transparently moddable. Modders should be able to resize/image swap or reorder bits and the logic should hopefully adapt so all the resizing still just works. Though I've not tested any of that ... cough
I haven't done the all the 'center transport' stuff yet, because a) I would like what I have done so far to be tested first please, and b) I hate it because its a legacy thing that should now be done with WALTER instead, grumble grumble moan moan
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
View master fader in TCP still seems bugged for me, like the tcp panel for it is extremely zoomed in and fuzzed out
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You haven't really provided me with enough information to understand or action anything about this.
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Originally Posted by BlackBart
Having the track panel folder creation/expand/collapse icons position be scriptable would be great. I miss it being on the right
I hope my feedback helps in some fashion.
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Not going to happen I'm afraid; the only way I've been able to make a lot of this work is by making some of those left hand elements do multiple jobs in the background, so they're stuck there I'm afraid.
Your feedback is very welcome, thanks!
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
It seems to not always saved to that file if you are saving a new theme name like adding an increment number on the file name for iterations etc.
I've managed to get it saved to that file now but not sure quite how will try somethings out and let you know!
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
It seems like it always takes the initial "6.0" settings at the top from that file and not the ones saved that reference the latest theme save name (at the bottom).
I think it worked when I copy and pasted the settings from bottom of file to the top.
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Hang on; are you modifying the theme/script and saving copies and doing things like that? Please clearly indicate any feedback that comes from doing this, because I can put mechanisms and instructions in place to minimise the chance of you breaking things, but whether you broke something while fiddling with it needs to be clearly deliniated from the theme itself being broken on delivery. With me?
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
For a lot of people tracking multiple tracks at a time, the meter peak readout is EXTREMELY important!
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Peak readout appearance is determined by the size of the panel (which you set in Reaper) or the size of the TCP meter (which is set in the script).
When space gets small I have to start hiding things. There's nothing I can hide that isn't needed at some point. That's just how it is.
Peak readout isn't controllable by me at all. Its automatically populated by Reaper so long as the meter is big enough, and the only time it shouldn't be big enough is if the TCP meter is set very small. Which is adjustable by you in the script.
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Originally Posted by Steven Jay Cohen
Have you considered putting the default theme in a folder on the development server?
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They don't let me near the development server, for very good reason : I have my own teeny git that's just my stuff, and I manage to break it all the time.
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Why is there no input channel chooser on the track 29 "bass DI"?
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I don't know ...user error? You're not giving me much to go on here.
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Originally Posted by Otto Tune
Would it be possible to link MCP/TCP selections as an option?
Edit: I mean just in terms of the show/hide functions in the script.
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Possible? Absolutely. I'm not sure why though; is it not the very point of having two different representations of the same information that they somehow perform different roles in your workflow? Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're getting at, could you explain please?
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Originally Posted by MRMJP
How long until this isn't just dev build only?
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Probably whenever it is that you start seeing 6.0 alpha pre threads. I use dev branch stuff, its not really up to me
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Originally Posted by Otto Tune
I'm also seeing armed tracks in the MCP not following narrow and element label options, which I think is a bug.
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Oooh, eek. The recarm narrow seems to be working for me. Can you confirm please?
The whole element label situation is suboptimal because Reaper isn't redrawing when you change them, you have to do a panel resize to make it do a redraw. Yes, this does make my label hiding functionality a bit crap! Hopefully this will get picked up in the pre threads once all this is further along.
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Yup, and that's what's not sticking. How can I make it the default for new projects maybe?
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I can't tell if you're doing something wrong or if Reaper is or if I am.
Last edited by White Tie; 08-21-2019 at 08:06 AM.
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08-21-2019, 06:02 AM
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#134
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WT - Firstly, I'm really liking this new default theme. Thanks
Something that has always bugged me ... using a 43" 4K @ 100% with the Reaper window opened across the full width. When I select [Center Controls] only the Transport buttons are centered, with other controls/info in opposite corners. This is *miles* on a large display.
Would be really sweet if the space (shown in yellow) could be shrank to a moderate amount of separation. This would keep eye and mouse motion to a minimum.
Thanks again for all of your work
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08-21-2019, 07:49 AM
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#135
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
Version 1.13
Here is the big transport WALTER update.
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Eywa (WT) heard me! haleluljah! thank you!
Much better!
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08-21-2019, 08:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edison
Hi White Tie,
Maybe use only [ ] or a small 'Play Icon' between the keys. Because the text in front of the icon is already enlightening! What do you think?
PS: in my country this symbol '[ ]' is called keys.
Congratulations on a great job!
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Hi, Tie!
I don't know if you saw my suggestion, because still the same in update 1.13
Haven't you decided yet or are you waiting for more ideas?
Thanks
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08-21-2019, 08:58 AM
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#137
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Version 1.13
Thanks for the update, I understand a lot of coding has been done!
A few observations to TA functionality;
• TA > global setting > indent/align slider > layout B and C has a bad argument, script-error:
• TA > MCP > 'If track armed' exlude the rule 'If track selected'
Seems to do that for all 'if armed' options (or is it supposed to?):
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
The whole element label situation is suboptimal because Reaper isn't redrawing when you change them
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– actually here on mac, the MCP redraw is definately better than before))
• In TCP only the meter do not reflect changes, unless resizing the panel:
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08-21-2019, 09:32 AM
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#138
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMJP
How long until this isn't just dev build only?
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Reaper 6 i guess!
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08-21-2019, 11:27 AM
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#139
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Human being with feelings
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The selection numbers are slightly truncated when the transport is 200%.
The screen is 1920x1080.
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08-21-2019, 11:58 AM
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Please PLEASE include the V5 style align controls as an option (where the name label stretches in order to align the controls after). I want my controls aligned on the right but don't like having all that wasted space on the left. It's also harder to see the folder structure with a quick glance. I understand that some people might want the record buttons aligned but just adding a voice of someone that would prefer the V5 alignment as an option.
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08-21-2019, 12:03 PM
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#141
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Noticing an issue with labels & values. When I expand track height, they will disappear in and out as the tcp gets larger. It seems like at certain heights, they won't show
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08-23-2019, 01:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
Peak readout appearance is determined by the size of the panel (which you set in Reaper) or the size of the TCP meter (which is set in the script).
When space gets small I have to start hiding things. There's nothing I can hide that isn't needed at some point. That's just how it is.
Peak readout isn't controllable by me at all. Its automatically populated by Reaper so long as the meter is big enough, and the only time it shouldn't be big enough is if the TCP meter is set very small. Which is adjustable by you in the script.
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When it shows in this theme its actually fine with me! My issue is that the theme settings don't seem to stick
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I can't tell if you're doing something wrong or if Reaper is or if I am.
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Not sure if anything is actually wrong, I keep asking for the procedure to make a setting stick, and have never really gotten an answer. Its entirely possible that if I knew how to do it it would work. So does anyone know the procedure to make a set of script settings the default for the theme or how to make it persist when you modify it on a current project?
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08-23-2019, 05:53 PM
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#143
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Hi pipelineaudio
If I understand what you want...After making your changes try this:
1- Actions menu => Show action list => in Filter: type Theme=> Double click in Theme development: Show theme tweak/configuration window=> Click in Save Theme... and rename eg.: as 'Default_6.0-2' and click 'Save'
WT edit : don't do this.
Last edited by White Tie; 08-24-2019 at 12:39 AM.
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08-23-2019, 09:05 PM
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#144
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Thanks! Ill try that
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08-24-2019, 01:58 AM
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#145
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Is the recording monitor AUTO state meant to move a little bit upwards?
(from off and on states)
Theme adjuster seems to be pretty awesome for customization.
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08-24-2019, 02:48 AM
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#146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Thanks! Ill try that
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Hi pipelineaudio
I think it should be done that way to keep the original v.6 theme.
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08-24-2019, 06:11 AM
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Hi, White Tie
I think for 'Master Track Panel' to keep its size only at 100%.
And when increasing the size to 'Master Mixer Panel' the 'Controls' e.g.: M, S buttons, text etc. should continue with the 100% sizes.
In the themes described below the 'Master Mixer Panel' increases only in Width:
L1- Goldielocks_5.974, Defaukt_Analog_v1.8, LCS_Blue_R4-Edition etc.
See pic. v. 6.0 (150%), imagine if you use 200%...
Last edited by White Tie; 08-24-2019 at 01:14 PM.
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08-24-2019, 01:22 PM
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#148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Not sure if anything is actually wrong, I keep asking for the procedure to make a setting stick, and have never really gotten an answer.
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Here's how it works:
"I wanted to do X, so I tried doing Y, but the unexpected result was Z."
Here's what you're doing:
Oh no Z! What is going on with Z? I don't understand Z!
Do you see how everyone else reporting bugs is doing it? Do it the way they do.
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08-24-2019, 01:23 PM
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#149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sightlessness
Is the recording monitor AUTO state meant to move a little bit upwards?
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No, that's a cockup, thanks!
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08-24-2019, 11:51 PM
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#150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
Here's how it works:
"I wanted to do X, so I tried doing Y, but the unexpected result was Z."
Here's what you're doing:
Oh no Z! What is going on with Z? I don't understand Z!
Do you see how everyone else reporting bugs is doing it? Do it the way they do.
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That seems very odd compared to hearing how it was intended by the designer to actually get settings to stick. Putting that on me in this case seems ridiculous
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08-24-2019, 11:55 PM
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I have no problems making the settings persist. Setting defaults for a new project is the same as it was for other themes. I don't know what could be the issue unless you mean something other than what I had assumed you meant. I was left to assume because it wasn't exactly clear to me (and in that case I can understand why WT said what he did).
Have you tried this (the bold part specifically):
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You'll probably have to select A, B, C (or 125%/150% versions of those) instead of "layout default") per instance (track, mixer, master, etc.) This can be done on a per-track basis (by selecting the track, right clicking, and changing the layout) or globally from the menu: options -> layouts -> (etc.)
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08-26-2019, 02:43 AM
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#152
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BobF
WT - Firstly, I'm really liking this new default theme. Thanks
Something that has always bugged me ... using a 43" 4K @ 100% with the Reaper window opened across the full width. When I select [Center Controls] only the Transport buttons are centered, with other controls/info in opposite corners. This is *miles* on a large display.
Would be really sweet if the space (shown in yellow) could be shrank to a moderate amount of separation. This would keep eye and mouse motion to a minimum.
Thanks again for all of your work
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+1
the same when it is not "in center mode"
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08-26-2019, 04:10 AM
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#153
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Human being with feelings
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Default_6.0 theme adjuster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edison
Hi, White Tie
I think for 'Master Track Panel' to keep its size only at 100%.
And when increasing the size to 'Master Mixer Panel' the 'Controls' e.g.: M, S buttons, text etc. should continue with the 100% sizes.
In the themes described below the 'Master Mixer Panel' increases only in Width:
L1- Goldielocks_5.974, Defaukt_Analog_v1.8, LCS_Blue_R4-Edition etc.
See pic. v. 6.0 (150%), imagine if you use 200%...
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WT!!
Why not insert the 'Minimize' button in the Default_6.0 theme adjuster settings window?.
It would help a lot, especially when working with smaller monitors.
Thanks!
Last edited by Edison; 08-26-2019 at 05:59 AM.
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08-26-2019, 12:51 PM
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#154
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Human being with feelings
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I seldom open the Transport bar, however, I tried latest build on 27” retina @150pct.
It appears the minor text elements are improperly scaled, -at least I hope you can use this for something..
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08-28-2019, 10:10 PM
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#155
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
The recarm narrow seems to be working for me. Can you confirm please?
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Ah ha! When in the script I've checked If Track Selected and If Track Not Selected but nothing else, for both narrow and element labels, I'm seeing what I expect. In the last test, I had checked all four options in the Mixer Control Panel of the script rather than just those two, but that arrangement gave me no narrow and no element labels.
Now that I can set it how I want it, this totally works for me. But I'm not sure all four checked gives the expected result.
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08-29-2019, 05:16 PM
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#156
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Human being with feelings
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Transport Docked vs Default Location?
Currently, the Transport only adjusts to narrow windows docked. Will this be true in the final version? Or is the plan to get it to adjust in its default configuration as well?
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08-30-2019, 02:15 PM
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#157
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Human being with feelings
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I am seriously not impressed by this theme so far. After all these years of clamouring for a better looking stock theme both for Reaper as a DAW and its stock plugins we get nothing. As far as I can so far see, this theme is just the regular session mixer with a little tweak. I still look at it and it still hurts my eyes. Please developers, I'm begging u to take a good look at Studio One, Cakewalk by Bandlab and even Cubase and make Reaper look better than them. All round better. But Reaper's UI and the stock plugin UI.
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08-30-2019, 03:47 PM
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#158
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Human being with feelings
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Read the first post of this thread.
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08-31-2019, 02:22 AM
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#159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesPeters
Read the first post of this thread.
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OK, but really.... will jsfx and stock plugs get any love too? I like current theme in R5 just fine, imo it is not screaming for rework. But those jsfx could certainly use facelift. At least add knobs and switches into code, and basic xy positioning.
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08-31-2019, 04:28 AM
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#160
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sonicowl
OK, but really.... will jsfx and stock plugs get any love too?
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WT isn't a coder, but designer. If you want some appearance improvements, create FR.
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