MIDI control of FX

[Coachz]

I have Helix Native receiving my input from my guitar through my preamp into RME 9652. I also have midi from my expression pedals coming in on CC11 and CC12.

With just Midi input I can control everything in the VST but have no guitar audio going in.

How in Reaper do I get the VST to receive both audio and midi ?



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[Coachz]

I think I got it by using audio input on 1 track and midi on a child track. My screenshot is not correct but the top track is the audio input. I better try it with some real audio to make sure it works

[mschnell]

Yep you need two tracks and route audio and Midi appropriately.

-Michael

[Fergler]

If you want, you can grab MIDI from the control path by learning some ReaControlMIDI parameters placed before the FX, and using your audio input

[Coachz]

Originally Posted by Fergler

If you want, you can grab MIDI from the control path by learning some ReaControlMIDI parameters placed before the FX, and using your audio input

Can you explain ? Do you mean I can get audio and MIDI off of the same track?

[Fergler]

Make sure the MIDI device is enabled for control in reaper settings, then move one of the ReaControlMIDI parameters in Control Change and go to Param > Learn and move your controller

Now MIDI will be given to the next plugins in the chain corresponding to the chosen CC in the drop-downs in ReaControlMIDI.

[Coachz]

I found a way to do it with 2 tracks where the child track (2nd) passes the midi to the audio track parent and the parent can record both audio and the envelopes of the controllers.

Is there a way with just 1 track ?

https://youtu.be/OAcnDeqtRvI?t=718

[Coachz]

So basically is a second track absolutely necessary or is there some trick like a VST that can pull in the MIDI from the input or some way to do it all in a single track.

[Fergler]

I explained how to do it on post 6
If you're not recording MIDI notes it works to make this a one-track operation if that's really necessary.

[Coachz]

Originally Posted by Fergler

I explained how to do it on post 6
If you're not recording MIDI notes it works to make this a one-track operation if that's really necessary.

I tried doing that but with the audio input selected on the track I have no way for the MIDI control changes to be recorded. Plus it appears VST technology does not have any access to hardware inputs so it doesn't appear to be possible for a VST point of view like reamidiontrol.

[Fergler]

Originally Posted by Coachz

I tried doing that but with the audio input selected on the track I have no way for the MIDI control changes to be recorded. Plus it appears VST technology does not have any access to hardware inputs so it doesn't appear to be possible for a VST point of view like reamidiontrol.

You would record the parameter movements as track envelopes, rather than CC

[Fergler]

Here's an RPP that is ready for this, but you will still need to Learn the first ReaControlParameter (I can't do that part without your hardware).

[Coachz]

WOAH ! This is very cool. So what is interesting is that ReaMidiConrol DOES NOT appear to need a midi input assigned to it.

Take a track and assign your input to your audio hardware.

Add ReaMidiControl and choose the control change you want to learn. In my case it was CC11 and CC12. With Enable and Raw Mode checked I chose the CC11 and CC12 from the first 2 dropdowns.

Learn it !
Then I moved the slider next to CC12 and clicked learn from the Param button up top. Then I moved my pedal that is going through my Helix Stomp XL through USB and ReaMidiControl magically saw it.

I did the same for C11 and learned it. I record enabled my track and it records audio while recording the midi movements of the two pedals ALL ON ONE TRACK. Magic !

VST control.
In my Helix Native VST I right clicked over the position slider for a volume block and assigned it to CC12. Did the same for wah block position and CC11. Works !

Thanks so much for this example. It's really useful. Is ReaMidiControl simply looking at all midi inputs at once ?

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[mschnell]

Originally Posted by Coachz

ReaMidiConrol DOES NOT appear to need a midi input assigned to it.

AFAIU, ReaControlMidi works in both directions. converting incoming Midi CCs to DAW-parameters ("Sliders") that can be "Linked" etc, and converting automation of the sliders e.g. "Learn" (from the Control Path), "Linked" from other parameters or Modulation, etc, to Midi CCs.

(ReaPack -> "Slider And Midi CC" does something similar for a single "Slider").

-Michael

[Coachz]

Originally Posted by mschnell

AFAIU, ReaControlMidi works in both directions. converting incoming Midi CCs to DAW-parameters ("Sliders") that can be "Linked" etc, and converting automation of the sliders e.g. "Learn" (from the Control Path", "Linked" from other parameters or Modulation, etc, to Midi CCs.

(ReaPack -> "Slider And Midi CC" does something similar for a single "Slider").

-Michael

It's magical!

[Fergler]

Here the top device is allowed to control Reaper and appear as input, the second is only to control Reaper. And you can have devices enabled to be an input but not control Reaper.