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Old 11-27-2013, 12:13 PM   #1
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Hello,

I'm fairly new (very close to being a complete newbie) to the world of VSTs and the sort, so I apologize if my question is asinine.

Originally, I was considering purchasing a new amplifier (Mesa Boogie) and other miscellaneous equipment due to being unsuccessful in molding an organic metal tone. But I stumbled upon a video on YouTube that showcased Reaper and other powerful VSTs, and decided it would be better to save $1000

What do I mean by an "organic" distorted tone?
1.) Smooth
2.) Nothing like the trebly tones that sound like a "cat hissing".
3.) Sounds like a "dog growling" on the lower end.
4.) Something between these two songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjVT0MhSNeo and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiBJRC0Lal8
5.) Chunky, lots of bass.

I'd like to get as close as possible to getting a tone between the two aforementioned songs with just VSTs. If it requires more than just dabbling with tones (more as in mastering), then please point me in the right direction. Please list the names of the VSTs and the presets/equalization used.
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Well, a couple of pointers I'd throw there is that the bass is probably more important for this kind of heavy sound than the guitar is. And secondly, don't use too much gain on the guitar amp sim.

TSE X50 amp sim seems to be pretty popular with metalheads, and it's free too. TSE also has a pretty good Tube Screamer sim which you might want to try. Throw in the new NadIR cabinet impulse loader with a couple of good impulses (there are plenty good free ones out there).

Welcome to the endless swamp that is amp sim tweaking.

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SYL's Alien was recorded with Jed Simon's EMG equipped Les Paul I think, so perhaps having active pickups is good for recording teh methulz. Also, guitars were quad tracked there (trivia: only two guitar tracks on their last record and whothehell knows how many on City, probably about 5150 of them).

Anyways, I think you should get solid metal sounds with freebies like LePou plugins no problem. Oh and I'd steer clear of adding "lots of bass" to guitars - guitars that sound bassy on records aren't that bassy in real life, that's a job of the bass guitar.
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:43 PM   #4
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Well, a couple of pointers I'd throw there is that the bass is probably more important for this kind of heavy sound than the guitar is. And secondly, don't use too much gain on the guitar amp sim.

TSE X50 amp sim seems to be pretty popular with metalheads, and it's free too. TSE also has a pretty good Tube Screamer sim which you might want to try. Throw in the new NadIR cabinet impulse loader with a couple of good impulses (there are plenty good free ones out there).

Welcome to the endless swamp that is amp sim tweaking.
Okay. I think one of the videos I saw utilized the TSE X50 simulator (or perhaps that was the 808 v1.0). What kind of cabinet impulse loaders would you recommend to meet my requirements? Sorry, I'm ignorant when it comes to these things...

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SYL's Alien was recorded with Jed Simon's EMG equipped Les Paul I think, so perhaps having active pickups is good for recording teh methulz. Also, guitars were quad tracked there (trivia: only two guitar tracks on their last record and whothehell knows how many on City, probably about 5150 of them).

Anyways, I think you should get solid metal sounds with freebies like LePou plugins no problem. Oh and I'd steer clear of adding "lots of bass" to guitars - guitars that sound bassy on records aren't that bassy in real life, that's a job of the bass guitar.
Nice! City and Infinity are the only two metal albums that I love with "high-end" guitar tones. Absolutely beautiful
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Old 11-27-2013, 02:08 PM   #5
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Okay. I think one of the videos I saw utilized the TSE X50 simulator (or perhaps that was the 808 v1.0). What kind of cabinet impulse loaders would you recommend to meet my requirements? Sorry, I'm ignorant when it comes to these things...
You can get NadIR here. It's a VST that allows you to load cabinet impulses, which basically recreate the sound of the amp signal passing through a guitar cab and a mic.

Guitarampmodeling.com would be a good place to find some commonly used, good, free cab impulses.
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Old 11-27-2013, 02:15 PM   #6
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I use LeCab for IR loading, personally, but you could use anything probably. My chain is TSE 808 v2 into the guitar amp, which varies depending on the tone I'm looking for. Lepou amps are great. Then out of the amp (with cabinet off if there's on included) into LeCab with usually the Orange 2 mic IRS (but this varies too).

My advice is to use less distortion than you think and quad-track all guitar parts except solos. This will beef up the tone much more than super high-gain and add width to the sound. Sometimes I will track two with the amp on one setting and then tweak it slightly for the second pair, although this isn't necessary and can be bad if done sloppily. Tight playing is the key to all this.

There's tons of decent amp sims out there, so try the free ones and demos first. I will say Amplitube might be the "hissiest" I've used - it sounds good by itself but seems the most difficult to slot into a mix. I like Guitar Rig better but it can have the opposite problem - sometimes it's too dark, but still a bit fizzy. I've been playing the S-gear demo lately and it's quite impressive.
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Old 11-27-2013, 05:35 PM   #7
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I use LeCab for IR loading, personally, but you could use anything probably. My chain is TSE 808 v2 into the guitar amp, which varies depending on the tone I'm looking for. Lepou amps are great. Then out of the amp (with cabinet off if there's on included) into LeCab with usually the Orange 2 mic IRS (but this varies too).

My advice is to use less distortion than you think and quad-track all guitar parts except solos. This will beef up the tone much more than super high-gain and add width to the sound. Sometimes I will track two with the amp on one setting and then tweak it slightly for the second pair, although this isn't necessary and can be bad if done sloppily. Tight playing is the key to all this.

There's tons of decent amp sims out there, so try the free ones and demos first. I will say Amplitube might be the "hissiest" I've used - it sounds good by itself but seems the most difficult to slot into a mix. I like Guitar Rig better but it can have the opposite problem - sometimes it's too dark, but still a bit fizzy. I've been playing the S-gear demo lately and it's quite impressive.
Okay, thank you. I've downloaded all the plugins mentioned on the thread so far. I will dabble with them for the next couple of days and let you guys know if I have any success.
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:15 PM   #8
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I've been relatively pleased with the results of what I've turned out. I've decided to use the following plugins...

1.) TSE 808 v2.0
2.) FA3 Full (x86)
3.) keFIR (JJ FRED45-0)

Definitely a lot less trebly than what I was able to mold with Toneport UX1 :P Now to figure out how to successfully utilize the "wall of sound" technique without killing my computer.
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I've been relatively pleased with the results of what I've turned out. I've decided to use the following plugins...

1.) TSE 808 v2.0
2.) FA3 Full (x86)
3.) keFIR (JJ FRED45-0)
Report back with your findings. Never managed to make FA3 sound like I wanted plus I think it's a bit explodey synthedit-based plugin, so save often, multiple instances of it might make your Reaper session unstable.
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Report back with your findings. Never managed to make FA3 sound like I wanted plus I think it's a bit explodey synthedit-based plugin, so save often, multiple instances of it might make your Reaper session unstable.
Well, perhaps I'm not all that content with the sound I've produced. The more I play around with FA3, the more I realize that it's meant for a more aggressive tone.

You can hear the tone here: https://soundcloud.com/mike-deitrick...-tse-808-kefir

I like the heaviness of it, but the higher end aspects are really touchy. It seems like I can't strike a good balance between too dull and too hissy.
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:22 AM   #11
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Instead of FA3 you might take a look at GreenMachine II:
http://en-alionaudioarsenal.blogspot...verything.html

The original site is gone, but you can still download it here:
http://www.alexanderblu.com/Alexande...Effects_11.htm


EDIT: just found some raving reviews on the forum here as well: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=43770

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:07 AM   #12
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Every time I use Ignite Amps TS-999 in my chain, eveything always sounds much chunkier!

A set-up that I like for more metallic moments:

TS-999 - Le456 - TPA-1 - NadIR or Lecab

Lepou Le456 and Lecab:

http://lepouplugins.blogspot.co.uk/

Ignite Amps TS-999, TPA-1 and NadIR:

http://www.igniteamps.com/en/audio-plug-ins
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Every time I use Ignite Amps TS-999 in my chain, eveything always sounds much chunkier!

A set-up that I like for more metallic moments:

TS-999 - Le456 - TPA-1 - NadIR or Lecab

Lepou Le456 and Lecab:

http://lepouplugins.blogspot.co.uk/

Ignite Amps TS-999, TPA-1 and NadIR:

http://www.igniteamps.com/en/audio-plug-ins
If by metallic you mean buzzy, then absolutely. :P

I don't mean to sound rude, as I appreciate your post and links to great resources, but I haven't exactly had the best luck with these plugins. Perhaps my expectations to reach a tone between the two songs I mentioned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAtM1W-2ks and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCvGip0tqM) are way too high.

I think my ear was screwed up from listening to too much thrash metal when I was in high school. Now I'm extremely sensitive to the buzzy part of guitar tones and it's really difficult to shake. Better yet, maybe I should just throw metal out the window and focus on clean, chorusy and reverberated tones...
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If by metallic you mean buzzy, then absolutely. :P

I don't mean to sound rude, as I appreciate your post and links to great resources, but I haven't exactly had the best luck with these plugins. Perhaps my expectations to reach a tone between the two songs I mentioned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAtM1W-2ks and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCvGip0tqM) are way too high.

I think my ear was screwed up from listening to too much thrash metal when I was in high school. Now I'm extremely sensitive to the buzzy part of guitar tones and it's really difficult to shake. Better yet, maybe I should just throw metal out the window and focus on clean, chorusy and reverberated tones...
Aha, a fellow thrash aficionado! And no, never give up, keep the metal flag flying - although there's nothing wrong with clean tones, either!

As for the plugins, these are some of the best you will find for free. Maybe you should try demoing some of the payware stuff like Amplitube, Guitar Rig etc. I hear good reports about those plugs.
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Aha, a fellow thrash aficionado! And no, never give up, keep the metal flag flying - although there's nothing wrong with clean tones, either!

As for the plugins, these are some of the best you will find for free. Maybe you should try demoing some of the payware stuff like Amplitube, Guitar Rig etc. I hear good reports about those plugs.
Yep, it got me through high school!

The most frustrating part is that I've been trying to get a metal tone that I like for eight years. Even if it was for a split instant, I would like to have a metal tone that I truly appreciate.

Once you start making a sine wave look like a square, things go awry very quickly.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:09 PM   #16
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Whats your email? I dont know how to add pictures on here but I'll happily send you pics of my metal plugins/setting which include
TS-999 Tube Screamer
Poulin LeGion Amp Sim
Poulin LeCab2 with Catharsis s-preshigh impulse
ReaEQ

It'd be a thousand times faster if I just sent you a picture of the settings for each, but its a spectacularly brutal sound!
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I dont know how to add pictures on here
make an account here: https://stash.reaper.fm/ upload your pic and then copy the code for the image into your post.

these are quite good and free http://www.simulanalog.org/GSuite.zip
not sure if they're what you want cos my internet's too slow for youtube...

btw what's the guitar?
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Yes, copy and paste the code for the pictures here. I'd like everyone that comes to this thread to benefit from all the posts, if possible

I play a red Fernandes "strat". My godfather built it who knows how many years ago (at least 10 years old). I was not able to find the name of the model anywhere. All I know is that it has this pickup as a bridge pickup.
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I'll put in a good word for Mercuriall, which I've been using quite happily for a couple of weeks. TS808 -> Hot Preamp -> Merc Cab sounds beefy and mean. YMMV, of course.
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I found the Mercuriall cab to be quite phasey sounding. *shrug*

Oh, and if you're gonna demo payware stuff, then make sure to check out the Wayfarer amp in S-Gear. Top notch stuff.
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Here's my metal sound:
https://stash.reaper.fm/19104/Guitar%20settings1.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19105/guitar%20settings2.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19106/guitar%20settings3.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19107/guitar%20settings4.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19108/guitar%20settings5.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19109/guitar%20settings6.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19110/guitar%20settings7.jpg

I cannot overemphasize enough the importance of the Catharsis Impulses. Everything sounds like ass without the specific one I use. Just search Catharsis impulses and use the one I have in the screen shot.

I'm still not sure how to copy the actual image into the post. I suck at message boards sorry.

BTW my guitar is a Schecter Hellraiser with EMG 81 pickups.
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If you want to post specific settings to plugins, you might just as well save the track as a track template and upload that.
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I'm still not sure how to copy the actual image into the post.
you use the code that says "forum code - image" (last one). although links might be preferable if you're doing 7 images in a row. or you could export your track templates or fx chains from general preferences and upload those. not sure how to export those individually though...
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Here's my metal sound:
https://stash.reaper.fm/19104/Guitar%20settings1.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19105/guitar%20settings2.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19106/guitar%20settings3.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19107/guitar%20settings4.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19108/guitar%20settings5.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19109/guitar%20settings6.jpg
https://stash.reaper.fm/19110/guitar%20settings7.jpg

I cannot overemphasize enough the importance of the Catharsis Impulses. Everything sounds like ass without the specific one I use. Just search Catharsis impulses and use the one I have in the screen shot.

I'm still not sure how to copy the actual image into the post. I suck at message boards sorry.

BTW my guitar is a Schecter Hellraiser with EMG 81 pickups.
Sweet. Could you post a link to an audio file of you recording this guitar tone? Sorry, I've been away from my computer for a while and will most likely be away throughout the rest of this week. I'd at least like to hear what it sounds like before I dive into it.

By the way, it seems like you are using a pretty decent amount of effects. How does your computer run? Last time I tried to use the same FX chain three times and Reaper completely froze up (the FX chain only had three effects). I think I might run into some trouble later because I'd like to emulate Devin's Townsend's "wall of sound"/multitracking technique.

If I wind up not being able to generate a solid tone, do you think it would be unethical, against forum policy, lazy (whatever word or term you want to come up with)... if I offered to donate someone a reward for helping me get the right metal tone? If there's one thing in music that I absolutely struggle to work at it would be this...
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Yes. As soon as I figure out how to post it, I will. I dont think its unethical to have someone help/produce your guitar sound. Thats what producers, engineers, guitar techs do!
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Yes. As soon as I figure out how to post it, I will. I dont think its unethical to have someone help/produce your guitar sound. Thats what producers, engineers, guitar techs do!
Okay, wonderful! As of late I've been trying to work with Toneport and Ableton to see what I can generate (since multiple tracks with effects chains in Reaper seem to be bludgeoning it). Below are a couple links to a new tone that I created along with images of my settings.

I really can't seem to shake the "v-scoop" tone with lots of treble. Don't play the sample too loud or you'll end up with a headache. There's a wee bit too much compression in the recording too. After I make all the changes list by anyone, I will try to transfer the tone over to Reaper. THE SAMPLE FOR THE TONE

Just some advice, I just upload my tracks to Soundcloud and post a link here, as shown here for this example. As for posting images go to ***************, create a new account, and upload your photos. Once your pictures are finished uploading click on one of your pictures and you should see a link off to the side called "GET IMAGE LINKS". Choose the FORUM URL and paste it into your message.

Mastering chain
[IMG]http://imagizer.**************/v2/150x100q90/c/440/04ri.png[/IMG]

Classic distortion
[IMG]http://imagizer.**************/v2/150x100q90/c/856/9vui.png[/IMG]

EQ
[IMG]http://imagizer.**************/v2/150x100q90/c/560/jp2f.png[/IMG]

Microphone setup
[IMG]http://imagizer.**************/v2/150x100q90/c/819/ae5h.png[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://imagizer.**************/v2/150x100q90/c/812/z3un.png[/IMG]
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I've never used sims. I generally get a sound at the amp, mic it, double track it. But my comment has more to do with what I've experienced while playing live with a band. I, or another guitar player, have dialed in some great sounding tones just to have it sound like mud in the mix. Then I've dialed in killer tones on the fly while at a club and come back to a rehearsal room to find out it sounds terrible by itself. I like a lot of gain on heavy guitar, but it generally sounds better and sits better with a little less gain.

Keep playing with those sims! It sounds like you're having some fun.
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I really can't seem to shake the "v-scoop" tone with lots of treble. Don't play the sample too loud or you'll end up with a headache. There's a wee bit too much compression in the recording too. After I make all the changes list by anyone, I will try to transfer the tone over to Reaper. THE SAMPLE FOR THE TONE
All hail the new flesh \m/

If you want to recreate late 90s Devin Townsend sound then it sounds about right - did you see that Great Average Guitar instructional video of him? It's terrible. But he shows front panel of his amp and mids knob is down to 0 there. Hard to judge your sample outside the mix, but with a bit less bass and gain and it will work I think.

IMO his tone was anything but organic - his music is very processed from the very beginning and guitar has to be specific sounding too fit beside the wall of synths and samples. So if you're after "organic tone" and "Devin Townsend tone" then you have internal conflict there :>

I didn't know people are still using the Gearbox btw, don't they upgrade it to POD farm for free?
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I've never used sims. I generally get a sound at the amp, mic it, double track it. But my comment has more to do with what I've experienced while playing live with a band. I, or another guitar player, have dialed in some great sounding tones just to have it sound like mud in the mix. Then I've dialed in killer tones on the fly while at a club and come back to a rehearsal room to find out it sounds terrible by itself. I like a lot of gain on heavy guitar, but it generally sounds better and sits better with a little less gain.

Keep playing with those sims! It sounds like you're having some fun.
Thank you for the support! I was originally going to purchase a new amplifier (Mesa Boogie), FX board and microphone but then realized over the past five years that prices have completely blown up. :P

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All hail the new flesh \m/

If you want to recreate late 90s Devin Townsend sound then it sounds about right - did you see that Great Average Guitar instructional video of him? It's terrible. But he shows front panel of his amp and mids knob is down to 0 there. Hard to judge your sample outside the mix, but with a bit less bass and gain and it will work I think.

IMO his tone was anything but organic - his music is very processed from the very beginning and guitar has to be specific sounding too fit beside the wall of synths and samples. So if you're after "organic tone" and "Devin Townsend tone" then you have internal conflict there :>

I didn't know people are still using the Gearbox btw, don't they upgrade it to POD farm for free?
Indeed. The most glorious metal song every recorded.

I've watched that video a couple times, mostly to see how he plays "Ants". The thing that I don't particularly care about in my tone is the amount of bite. I like having treble there to make the guitar stand out in the mix, but not to the point where it gives me a headache. It's been very difficult finding a happy medium where it stands out and at the same time it doesn't sound dull or muddy. I will give your advice a whirl.

I know, striking that balance is near impossible. That's why I liked his tone from Alien. It was oddly smooth for being extremely heavy.

As for Gearbox think of it as older people in the corporate world refusing to switch from an old operating system to a newer one. I'm so acclimated (sort of stretching the meaning of that word) with the software that I find it difficult to work with anything else... which is a pretty big problem in my opinion...
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So I messed around with my tone a little more and I was able to remove some of the "bulkier" portion of the sound. Granted there's still that higher end stuff that gives me a sinus headache.

There's got to be something I'm missing. For the lack of a better word my tone sounds "sandy"; not lo-fi compression style, but as though a white or pink noise sample is laid over my tone, which completely goes against the organic sound I'm looking for. Is there anyway to remove the "sear-your-head-off" treble without compromising the tone in terms of dullness? A plugin that I could use outside of Reaper (like for Ableton live)?

For now I'm going to be sticking with Ableton because Reaper chokes up anytime I have three or more channels of guitar.
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I would have gone with the new amp.
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Old 12-30-2013, 08:35 AM   #32
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I would have gone with the new amp.
I'm starting to see the appeal of tangible equipment :P

Another sad part about having a "bad" tone is that it can affect one's desire to play an instrument. It's been pretty depressing to say the least because I have so much I'd like to record, but can't.
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Perhaps you should put together and mix a tune with that tone you aren't quite content with then post it to the pedantic bastards on the collab/music forum for evaluation. Maybe it's all in your head and it works? And if it doesn't somebody might explain why.

Overthinking stuff is a common problem, especially if you have a trillion of options to choose from.
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Perhaps you should put together and mix a tune with that tone you aren't quite content with then post it to the pedantic bastards on the collab/music forum for evaluation. Maybe it's all in your head and it works? And if it doesn't somebody might explain why.

Overthinking stuff is a common problem, especially if you have a trillion of options to choose from.
Okay. I'll work on "All Hail the New Flesh" and see if I can achieve the wall of sound technique. This may take a while -_-

If one would regard a tone as working when it gives them a headache, then I suppose it works. Not trying to be an a-hole, just frustrated with the software.
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Maybe you aren't a metalhead anymore and don't know it yet
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I have trying for a while to get good metal tones. It's not easy! I haven't gotten anything good until very recently. And lemme tell you, you won't be sorry.

There's only one catch: it costs for the program. I still haven't bought it yet, but I think it's worth it. Anyway, it's Guitar Rig 5. I wish to God it was free, then I wouldn't have to fork over the 200 bucks for the full program.

Anyway, try downloading the trial version. Make it so you can open it as a vst in Reaper. It allows you 30 minutes of trial metal tones before it sucks the distortion away. Here's what I did. I recorded one distorted guitar track using Big Monster preset. I duplicated that and made a left and right pan (meaning 2, one left one right). Then I duplicated the track again but changed big monster to the Metalcore51 present and tracked it 70 left. Then another track 70 percent right (this time I used MO SOLO Thrash preset). Lastly I used that same guitar riff as all the others and used preset Chemical thrash. I played around with a few knobs on each one, but I didn't go crazy. That's as good as I can make mine sound, anyway. I have never had much success with gearbox or podfarm; they just don't sound great to me, unless I'm doing something wrong. But try this and let me know what you think.
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I have trying for a while to get good metal tones. It's not easy! I haven't gotten anything good until very recently. And lemme tell you, you won't be sorry.

There's only one catch: it costs for the program. I still haven't bought it yet, but I think it's worth it. Anyway, it's Guitar Rig 5. I wish to God it was free, then I wouldn't have to fork over the 200 bucks for the full program.

Anyway, try downloading the trial version. Make it so you can open it as a vst in Reaper. It allows you 30 minutes of trial metal tones before it sucks the distortion away. Here's what I did. I recorded one distorted guitar track using Big Monster preset. I duplicated that and made a left and right pan (meaning 2, one left one right). Then I duplicated the track again but changed big monster to the Metalcore51 present and tracked it 70 left. Then another track 70 percent right (this time I used MO SOLO Thrash preset). Lastly I used that same guitar riff as all the others and used preset Chemical thrash. I played around with a few knobs on each one, but I didn't go crazy. That's as good as I can make mine sound, anyway. I have never had much success with gearbox or podfarm; they just don't sound great to me, unless I'm doing something wrong. But try this and let me know what you think.
Oops. I forgot to mention one thing: I used a lepour (I dunno how it's spelled) cab impulse for this too. I can't recall the cab name itself, but it was guitarhack or something like that.
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Yep, that's what I was telling PTF a couple posts back. I'm trying to repurpose it (so to speak) so that I no longer associate it with my childhood. It's been challenging.

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Oops. I forgot to mention one thing: I used a lepour (I dunno how it's spelled) cab impulse for this too. I can't recall the cab name itself, but it was guitarhack or something like that.
Ah yes, I know what you're referring to. Is it thirty minutes per session or thirty minutes altogether?
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Yep, that's what I was telling PTF a couple posts back. I'm trying to repurpose it (so to speak) so that I no longer associate it with my childhood. It's been challenging.



Ah yes, I know what you're referring to. Is it thirty minutes per session or thirty minutes altogether?
Oh, thirty minutes per session. You'll get the metal presets for half an hour, and when thirty minutes is up, it resets and takes away the distortion. You can then use the distortion again, I believe, but it's a huge pain to redo everything exactly like that again. I'll try posting a guitar riff I did with it to give you an idea of what it sounds like. In my very limited experience, good distortion is based on: several distortion tracks of the same riff, at least four or five. I've heard of people doing eight. Impulse loaders. And different distortions. By this I mean, say, if you use a distortion preset called heavy thrash, don't use it for all four/five tracks. Use it for one (left) two (right), and then use a different preset for the other tracks. (Track 3 a preset, track four a different preset, track a different preset still).
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Hey Vortex, I uploaded a sample clip I did using Podfarm and actually got a decent tone. It's on youtube; the link's below. It's about as good as metal tone I can come up with. It's a little scratchy during certain power chords, but this can probably be fixed by adjusting the gain/drive/eq. Anyway, let me know if this is the sound you're looking for. If so, I'll try posting what I did in the coming days. Happy holidays!

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