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10-25-2018, 06:14 PM
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Geoff, is it possible to have a "pushHold" function? it would have to be usable as an additional function with said button to be effective.
For example, select track using select button. PushHold Select button to open fx chain for that track.
Another example is in Klinke's v8 using folder mode, where you push/hold select to collapse/uncollapse folders.
Just curious...
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10-25-2018, 06:55 PM
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New Gcon pro released!!
https://iconproaudio.com/product/qcon-pro-g2/
"WHAT'S NEW IN GENERATION 2?
We left many of the best features in the QCon Pro and QCon EX intact. But beyond the sexy new paint job, we've updated some components and redesigned some operations for a more robust and intuitive workflow.
UPDATED DAW MODE: We simplified the DAW mode in the new generation. Now instead of scrolling through a list of DAWs, users choose 1 = Mackie Control (for most of the most popular DAWs), 2 = Logic Pro (for Apple Logic Pro), 3 = Pro Tools (HUI mode for Avid Pro Tools) and 4 = User Define mode (for other DAWs, and custom maps). This change improves mapping, simplifies operation AND increases the number of DAWs we can support.
MORE DAWs & UPDATED OVERLAYS: Now with overlays for FL Studio, Digital Performer, Adobe Audition, and Studio One, as well as Cubase, Nuendo, Reason, Ableton Live, Samplitude, Bitwig, Logic Pro, Reaper, Sonar, Pro Tools, Logic Pro and a User Defined mapping. And the overlays now have a dash of color to make it that much easier to find the operations you're looking for.
UPDATE HARDWARE - New Faders, Encoders and Jog Wheel: The G2 version of the Pro and EX now sport the same top of the line Alps motorized faders that are in our Platform series and QCon Pro X controllers. The jog wheel has also been updated and recoded for greater accuracy.
BACK IN BLACK: The QCon Pro and EX G2s are now even more suave and salacious in an anodized matte black finish."
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10-26-2018, 02:45 AM
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https://iconproaudio.com/product/qcon-pro-g2/
"WHAT'S NEW IN GENERATION 2?
We left many of the best features in the QCon Pro and QCon EX intact. But beyond the sexy new paint job, we've updated some components and redesigned some operations for a more robust and intuitive workflow.
UPDATED DAW MODE: We simplified the DAW mode in the new generation. Now instead of scrolling through a list of DAWs, users choose 1 = Mackie Control (for most of the most popular DAWs), 2 = Logic Pro (for Apple Logic Pro), 3 = Pro Tools (HUI mode for Avid Pro Tools) and 4 = User Define mode (for other DAWs, and custom maps). This change improves mapping, simplifies operation AND increases the number of DAWs we can support.
MORE DAWs & UPDATED OVERLAYS: Now with overlays for FL Studio, Digital Performer, Adobe Audition, and Studio One, as well as Cubase, Nuendo, Reason, Ableton Live, Samplitude, Bitwig, Logic Pro, Reaper, Sonar, Pro Tools, Logic Pro and a User Defined mapping. And the overlays now have a dash of color to make it that much easier to find the operations you're looking for.
UPDATE HARDWARE - New Faders, Encoders and Jog Wheel: The G2 version of the Pro and EX now sport the same top of the line Alps motorized faders that are in our Platform series and QCon Pro X controllers. The jog wheel has also been updated and recoded for greater accuracy.
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Yeah, I caught that, really like the way they did the metering.
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I've completed capturing all buttons on the Presonus Faderport 16.
The RST file is here: https://stash.reaper.fm/34731/FP16.rst
In the CSI I use this right now:
MidiSurface FP16A 8 Bankable 3 1 FP16.rst MCU.axt MCU
We can use 16 instead of 8 channels if we do a per-channel definition for the first 8 channels as well. Then banking will actually bank 16 channels .
The main problem here is that all the intelligence in Studio One mode is on the host side. The "SHIFT" buttons don't actually do anything in the hardware.
A modifier layer if anywhere, would likely need to be created in the AXT file.
And for immediate reference, here's the contents :
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/ Right button column from the top, Track to the bottom, ShiftLeft
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Track PressFB 90 28 7f 90 28 00
Plugin PressFB 90 2b 7f 90 2b 00
Send PressFB 90 29 7f 90 29 00
Pan PressFB 90 2a 7f 90 2a 00
AudioBtn PressFB 90 3e 7f 90 3e 00
Instrument PressFB 90 3f 7f 90 3f 00
BusBtn PressFB 90 40 7f 90 40 00
VCABtn PressFB 90 41 7f 90 41 00
AllBtn PressFB 90 42 7f 90 42 00
ShiftRight PressRelease 90 06 7f 90 06 00
/ Left buttom column, from the top ARM to the bottom ShiftLeft
/ ----------------------------------------------------------------
/ Arm button shall indicate the arming status of the selected track... probably
Arm PressFB 90 00 7f 90 00 00
SoloClear PressFB 90 01 7f 90 01 00
MuteClear PressFB 90 02 7f 90 02 00
Bypass PressFB 90 03 7f 90 03 00
Macro PressFB 90 04 7f 90 04 00
Link PressFB 90 05 7f 90 05 00
ShiftLeft PressRelease 90 46 7f 90 46 00
/ Automation buttons
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Read PressFB 90 4a 7f 90 4a 00
Write PressFB 90 4b 7f 90 4b 00
Trim PressFB 90 4c 7f 90 4c 00
Touch PressFB 90 4d 7f 90 4d 00
Latch PressFB 90 4e 7f 90 4e 00
Off PressFB 90 4f 7f 90 4f 00
/ Button is labled "Off" but we'll use it for the Latch Preview mode
/ ===================
/ == Big Knob area ==
/ Big Knob - this is actually a real endless knob
/ ===================
/ Turn -> b0 3c xx
/ left -> 41 - 7f (slowest to fastest)
/ right -> 01 - 3f (slowest to fastest)
/ for now we'll use to scroll the controller view through tracks slowly
/ We cannot assign multiple functions yet without changing pages.
ChannelLeft Press b0 3c 41
ChannelRight Press b0 3c 01
/RotaryBig Encoder b0 3c 7f b0 3c 01
/Buttons left and right of Big Knob
BankLeft Press 90 2E 7f
BankRight Press 90 2F 7f
/ Blue Mode buttons above transport
/ ---------------------------------
Channel PressFB 90 36 7f 90 36 00
Zoom PressFB 90 37 7f 90 37 00
Scroll PressFB 90 38 7f 90 38 00
Bank PressFB 90 39 7f 90 39 00
/ Lower row of buttons : Master Click Section Marker
/ --------------------------------------------------
Master PressFB 90 3a 7f 90 3a 00
Click PressFB 90 3b 7f 90 3b 00
Section PressFB 90 3c 7f 90 3c 00
Marker PressFB 90 3d 7f 90 3d 00
/ Transport
/ ---------
Rewind PressFB 90 5b 7f 90 5b 00
FastForward PressFB 90 5c 7f 90 5c 00
Stop PressFB 90 5d 7f 90 5d 00
Play PressFB 90 5e 7f 90 5e 00
Record PressFB 90 5f 7f 90 5f 00
/ Little Knob on top left
/ -----------------------
/ Turn -> b0 3c xx
/ left -> 41 - 7f (slowest to fastest)
/ right -> 01 - 3f (slowest to fastest)
RotarySmall Encoder b0 00 7f b0 00 00
/ Banking set to 8 to accomodate this shorthand for the first 8 channels
/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Channel
Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 e0 7f 7f e0 00 00
FaderTouch PressRelease 90 68 7f 90 68 00
Solo PressFB 90 08 7f 90 08 00
Mute PressFB 90 10 7f 90 10 00
Select PressFB 90 18 7f 90 18 00
ChannelEnd
/ Non-continous use of channel addressing forces us to use SingleChannel for the next 8
/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SingleChannel
Fader9 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 e8 7f 7f e8 00 00
FaderTouch9 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 70 7f 90 70 00
Solo9 Solo PressFB 90 50 7f 90 50 00
Mute9 Mute PressFB 90 78 7f 90 78 00
Select9 Select PressFB 90 07 7f 90 07 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader10 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 e9 7f 7f e9 00 00
FaderTouch10 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 71 7f 90 71 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 51 7f 90 51 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 79 7f 90 79 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 21 7f 90 21 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader11 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 ea 7f 7f ea 00 00
FaderTouch11 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 72 7f 90 72 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 52 7f 90 52 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7a 7f 90 7a 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 22 7f 90 22 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader12 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 eb 7f 7f eb 00 00
FaderTouch12 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 73 7f 90 73 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 58 7f 90 58 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7b 7f 90 7b 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 23 7f 90 23 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader13 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 ec 7f 7f ec 00 00
FaderTouch13 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 74 7f 90 74 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 54 7f 90 54 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7c 7f 90 7c 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 24 7f 90 24 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader14 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 ed 7f 7f ed 00 00
FaderTouch14 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 75 7f 90 75 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 55 7f 90 55 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7d 7f 90 7d 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 25 7f 90 25 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader15 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 ee 7f 7f ee 00 00
FaderTouch15 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 76 7f 90 76 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 59 7f 90 59 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7e 7f 90 7e 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 26 7f 90 26 00
SingleChannelEnd
SingleChannel
Fader16 Fader Fader14BitFB -60.0 12.0 ef 7f 7f ef 00 00
FaderTouch16 FaderTouch PressRelease 90 77 7f 90 77 00
Solo10 Solo PressFB 90 57 7f 90 57 00
Mute10 Mute PressFB 90 7f 7f 90 7f 00
Select10 Select PressFB 90 27 7f 90 27 00
SingleChannelEnd
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10-31-2018, 06:30 AM
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Excellent, I'll include this in the next build
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Originally Posted by airon
In the CSI I use this right now:
MidiSurface FP16A 8 Bankable 3 1 FP16.rst MCU.axt MCU
We can use 16 instead of 8 channels if we do a per-channel definition for the first 8 channels as well. Then banking will actually bank 16 channels .
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You shouldn't have to do that.
The bank stride is set in the .axt file, you should be able to use a combo of auto and manual channel definition and still have 16 channel banking if you change the bank stride from 8 to 16 in the .axt file.
Please let me know how it turns out.
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I'm using a Mac on Sierra, Reaper64, and I can't seem to get this to show up in the control surface settings. I followed the directions from the pdf (CSI Folder in Resource path and dylib in User Plugins). Other extensions are working. Is there anything I've missed?
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11-01-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ke_
I'm using a Mac on Sierra, Reaper64, and I can't seem to get this to show up in the control surface settings. I followed the directions from the pdf (CSI Folder in Resource path and dylib in User Plugins). Other extensions are working. Is there anything I've missed?
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Sounds right, what version of Reaper are you using ?
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11-01-2018, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Sounds right, what version of Reaper are you using ?
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Just updated to the latest and now it works!
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11-13-2018, 04:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by poetnprophet
Geoff, is it possible to have a "pushHold" function? it would have to be usable as an additional function with said button to be effective.
For example, select track using select button. PushHold Select button to open fx chain for that track.
Another example is in Klinke's v8 using folder mode, where you push/hold select to collapse/uncollapse folders.
Just curious...
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Been thinking about this and think I have a simple, workable solution.
You can prepend an action with Shift, Alt, Control, Option, Invert, or Toggle.
Let's add a few for Hold -- Hold1, Hold2, Hold3 -- meaning do action if button is held for 1,2,3 seconds -- 4 seconds or more is an awfully long time, probably not useful.
What do you think ?
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11-13-2018, 12:10 PM
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Is there any place to go to see a basic, cursory understanding of how this is going and what it does in relation to the X32?
What I really want to do (I think) is let the 16 faders on the left bank between ALL of the reaper tracks, and the 8 on the right control folders or busses. Does that sound doable?
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11-13-2018, 12:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Been thinking about this and think I have a simple, workable solution.
You can prepend an action with Shift, Alt, Control, Option, Invert, or Toggle.
Let's add a few for Hold -- Hold1, Hold2, Hold3 -- meaning do action if button is held for 1,2,3 seconds -- 4 seconds or more is an awfully long time, probably not useful.
What do you think ?
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I think I like it...although 1,2,and 3 seconds are pretty close to each other. I would say 1 and 3 seconds to avoid mistakenly doing the wrong one. It certainly opens up more possibilities!
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11-13-2018, 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Is there any place to go to see a basic, cursory understanding of how this is going and what it does in relation to the X32?
What I really want to do (I think) is let the 16 faders on the left bank between ALL of the reaper tracks, and the 8 on the right control folders or busses. Does that sound doable?
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I think this is already possible now. Since Reaper doesn't have buss tracks or an real way to separate, you would have to pin the folder tracks to the right side, and save that project as such. Then the unpinned tracks will bank and the pinned tracks will remain. But, if you have more than 8 buss/folder tracks, I'm not sure how that will work.
I might suggest keeping the folder structure as is, and assigning buttons on your mixer or keyboard shortcuts to toggle collapse/uncollapse of all folder tracks, or even selected folder tracks.
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11-13-2018, 01:17 PM
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Thank you.
How about if I just want to do this simple as possible. The 24 faders on the M32 bank thru each set of 24 tracks in reaper in order. Is that possible with this?
Also, would I be going in through ethernet, or thru the USB of the M32? I'm pretty confused. I think with Patrick's version you go thru the Ethernet
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11-13-2018, 01:24 PM
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You would set the bankable setting to 24, and then yes you should be banking all 24 at once.
As for connecting, I don't know anything about the x32 or what protocol it uses, sorry. For this you want midi, so if it does that then however you get that. I would assume USB but I honestly don't know.
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11-13-2018, 01:31 PM
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The would I select one of the surface files to use or figure out how to write my own?
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11-13-2018, 01:39 PM
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I think I like it...although 1,2,and 3 seconds are pretty close to each other. I would say 1 and 3 seconds to avoid mistakenly doing the wrong one. It certainly opens up more possibilities!
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OK, maybe just one hold, say 2 seconds, makes implementation a LOT easier ?
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Then would I select one of the surface files to use or figure out how to write my own?
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Basically, yes to both
OSC is up next for CSI, I think that the X32 will probably be best implemented using OSC, but I'm open to suggestions...
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11-13-2018, 01:46 PM
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OK, maybe just one hold, say 2 seconds, makes implementation a LOT easier ?
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I'm ok with that, Geoff. Appreciate the attention to that.
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11-13-2018, 04:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
OK, maybe just one hold, say 2 seconds, makes implementation a LOT easier ?
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One hold function gets my vote. Could it be modified with SHIFT, ALT etc?
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11-13-2018, 04:36 PM
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One hold function gets my vote. Could it be modified with SHIFT, ALT etc?
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Of course
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11-13-2018, 04:41 PM
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Thank you.
How about if I just want to do this simple as possible. The 24 faders on the M32 bank thru each set of 24 tracks in reaper in order. Is that possible with this?
Also, would I be going in through ethernet, or thru the USB of the M32? I'm pretty confused. I think with Patrick's version you go thru the Ethernet
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Yes, Patrick's stuff uses OSC over ethernet, that's the way to go.
Had a bit more of a read of some Behringer stuff and Patrick's excellent research work -- the midi implementation only has 7 bit fader resolution, 127 gradations -- that sucks -- most faders are 1024 -- an order of magnitude better and probably sufficient for the job.
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How about if I just want to do this simple as possible.
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In my book usually not a good plan ! I always want it as good and sustainable as possible.
See our recent discussions about controlling your Guitar Live setup via Midi and the great outcome you documented in these wonderful videos.
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most faders are 1024 -- an order of magnitude better and probably sufficient for the job.
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IMHO regarding a control surface, 7 bit is "close to usable" and 10 Bit should be close to perfect.
Does the documentation show that the X32 really sends (and receives) full 10 bit fader resolution via OSC ?
In fact, my X-Touch control only can do 7 bit (it does not feature OSC), while (AFAIK) it uses the same fader hardware as the X32. Hence it it does not make any sense that Behringer did not do a firmware for the XTouch that sends high resolution Midi CC messages. Seemingly the Behringer software team does not know about high resolution Midi CC
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11-14-2018, 04:14 AM
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Seemingly the Behringer software team does not know about high resolution Midi CC
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Oh, I'm pretty sure they know about high rez
The trouble comes with the number of faders.
The Mackie protocol is limited to 16 hi rez faders.
If you need more, you need to step down to 7 bits.
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So, does this mean the X32 (and other Behringer kit) is never going to be a good control surface?
Or am I misunderstanding (as usual!)?
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So, does this mean the X32 (and other Behringer kit) is never going to be a good control surface?
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Not at all, it just means OSC is the way to go to get the most out of it, Midi doesn't cut it for the X32.
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Ah, great.
How's the OSC timetable coming along?
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Ah, great.
How's the OSC timetable coming along?
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Just starting now, finally
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Excellent - good luck with it!
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Quote:
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Oh, I'm pretty sure they know about high rez
The trouble comes with the number of faders.
The Mackie protocol is limited to 16 hi rez faders.
If you need more, you need to step down to 7 bits.
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I meant native mode not Mackie mode. Native simply does CCs (7 Bit) and here they could extend it to using "high resolution CC" (two messages combined if necessary) for 14 Bit resolution.
I need to test if the XTouch provides more than 7 bits in Mackie mode...
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I tested it:
The silly thing also in Mackie Mode provides only 7 bit values when moving a fader: the LSB always is 0.
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Curious about this, but I get no direct link anywhere to the actual product/code just a donate link and a link to this thread? Is this still in development or am I missing something on page 26 etc?
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11-15-2018, 12:11 AM
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Theres an alpha in the reaper stash, but yeah, that confused me too
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Curious about this, but I get no direct link anywhere to the actual product/code just a donate link and a link to this thread? Is this still in development or am I missing something on page 26 etc?
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About time to include the link, see updated sig below.
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11-15-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
OK, maybe just one hold, say 2 seconds, makes implementation a LOT easier ?
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On the FP16 there are two SHIFT buttons, each with their own on and off message.
Press and hold MODIFIER (message 1 from that button RST definition)
Press other button (message 1, probably with feedback as well)
Let go of MODIFIER (second message sent)
That would be my choice in the AXT file. Why would you need a two second hold time if the modifier button has a let-go message anyway ?
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11-15-2018, 02:30 PM
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#2116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Why would you need a two second hold time if the modifier button has a let-go message anyway ?
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Consider the following use case:
You want to push channel select to select a track in Reaper.
You also want to map the FX to your surface on a press of the Select Button, but not always.
So press causes selection of a track.
Continuing to hold causes the FX mapping.
There may be others, but that use case alone is enough to convince me that it's a valuable addition.
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11-15-2018, 10:28 PM
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Good point. Great for mapping other stuff too. How many hold-buttons do you want to permit ? 2,3 or even 4 ? I could imagine hitting Right-SHIFT (FP16) + TRACK for two seconds to get to a "pin tracks on left of surface" selection mode.
Escaping from a mode like that could involve just pressing any of those same buttons again. Maybe blink the mode change buttons if possible. 1Hz full on/off cycle.
A function on the the Faderport 16 in Mackie mode pointed me to an idea, the MCU itself probably does this as well in the Reaper MCU csurf. It can exclusively select a single track , whether it was selected or not, by hitting the select button of a track twice in short succession.
So I would suggest adding a function capture for double-button presses as well. I did a few quick tests in a stopwatch app. 0.2 seconds is a short double-press. 0.3-0.4 is already a very relaxed long double-press. I suggest 0.35 as an upper limit if you're considering this function.
Examples of use are plenty. Solo and Mute could clear or switch to exclusive or whatever else. Loads of secondary functions become possible.
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11-16-2018, 02:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Good point. Great for mapping other stuff too. How many hold-buttons do you want to permit ? 2,3 or even 4 ? I could imagine hitting Right-SHIFT (FP16) + TRACK for two seconds to get to a "pin tracks on left of surface" selection mode.
Escaping from a mode like that could involve just pressing any of those same buttons again. Maybe blink the mode change buttons if possible. 1Hz full on/off cycle.
A function on the the Faderport 16 in Mackie mode pointed me to an idea, the MCU itself probably does this as well in the Reaper MCU csurf. It can exclusively select a single track , whether it was selected or not, by hitting the select button of a track twice in short succession.
So I would suggest adding a function capture for double-button presses as well. I did a few quick tests in a stopwatch app. 0.2 seconds is a short double-press. 0.3-0.4 is already a very relaxed long double-press. I suggest 0.35 as an upper limit if you're considering this function.
Examples of use are plenty. Solo and Mute could clear or switch to exclusive or whatever else. Loads of secondary functions become possible.
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I think one Hold is enough as discussed earlier in the thread because that gives you:
Hold
Shift+Hold
Alt+Hold
Control+Hold
Option+Hold
Double clicking is a great idea and on the roadmap, if a lot of valid use cases show up, priority will increase
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11-16-2018, 11:44 AM
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I like the double click idea also....and better if we could also include the modifiers.
Use cases, in addition to those mentioned regarding exclusive solo/mute are up there. How about automation modes, double click to change mode for all tracks, single click for 1 track. This frees up the shift modifier and frees up a hand (only 2 of those). In fact I would prefer the double tap to the shift modifier for things like that (record mode as another example). Plus adding the holdButton function, there's a lot of one-handed functionality there.
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11-16-2018, 04:41 PM
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Hi folks!
I just discovered this thread and I'm really interested in this amazing work.
I was planning to buy a digital mixer in order to stop using the mouse and keyboard but was quite disappointed that it could not control the VSTs (that would still require the damn mouse).
But this was before finding this topic !
I'm now considering buying a Behringer X-Touch (which seems to be a copy of the Mackie Control) and 3 X-Touch extenders for a total of 32 faders.
I have read (most of) the 50 pages but could find a definitive answer to a couple of questions.
Here is what I understand from the 50 pages, please correct me if I'm wrong:
1 - all 4 units would be supported and I could arrange them in any order I like (master on right hand side, middle, etc.)
2 - transport functions, plus other basic buttons (loop, ...) would work
3 - faders and pan pots would work both ways (Behringer -> Reaper and vice versa)
4 - there is a means to use the faders to control the sends
5 - the faders and pan pots could be used to control any parameter of the FXs of the selected track
I think that if all this is true, then it's a deal for me !
Cheers !
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