Old 08-28-2006, 07:27 PM   #1
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Justin: I don't know if you know the value of this or not, not a lot of engineers do, but...

I'd like to have M/S routing capability on the master buss, pre-"2 mix/master" math.

I'm in the middle of something right now and don't have time to explain, maybe someone else here will.. but it would be really, really, really useful - and something I don't think any other DAW has the capability to do..

...but I PROMISE they will in the next iteration of their revisions, if somebody else thinks to do it... may as well be you, eh?
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Old 08-28-2006, 08:25 PM   #2
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Voxengo MSED VST would probably do what you want. You can use it as an encoder, a decoder, or inline. Coupled with some imaginative uses of track channels, maybe it's a solution?
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Old 08-29-2006, 09:23 AM   #3
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I want this:


http://www.dangerousmusic.com/s&m.html


on the master.

I can't get the Voxengo plug to work because it I can't make a "patch point" across the master - I would have to make a sub-buss sort of folder-group situation, which would be a big chore.
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Old 08-29-2006, 04:10 PM   #4
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This is a joke, yes? The plug-in I mentioned does for free what this hardware device does for $1700 (or whatever). The circuitry in the hardware device would only need to be extremely simple. As far as I can see it's either a practical joke or a con.
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Yeah, I thought I recalled those products from somewhere else - see http://www.audiomastersforum.net/amf...pic.php?t=2339 for some discussion under the title "Snake Oil, or Slick Sh*t?"
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:30 AM   #6
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Yep thats the way to go....

500 Dollar mains cable is next on the list!!


Chip - in order to process in M/S you nned three channels of output or at leas stereo sides and a mono center - right ?

Doing that in a single plugin would mean using some native FX or sidechaing.....


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Quote:
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This is a joke, yes? The plug-in I mentioned does for free what this hardware device does for $1700 (or whatever). The circuitry in the hardware device would only need to be extremely simple. As far as I can see it's either a practical joke or a con.
I think building a combination hardware M/S decoder> balanced loop > M/S encoder is a relative simple thing circuitry wise, but component wise you're talking about something like a 4 channel mixer. How many totally-transparent mastering-quality 4 channel mixers can you buy for less than $1,700?

Practical joke/con? Using M/S in mastering is a trick that has been around for decades....
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Art suggested Voxengo's MSED.
Here's the link: http://www.voxengo.com/product/msed/
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