Old 02-06-2012, 12:23 AM   #1
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Greetings fellow mortals.

I’m thinking of using two microphones for recording lead vocals. I have a Behringer C1 condenser and a Shure SM58 dynamic.

The C1 would have to go through my mixer for phantom power. Should I route the SM58 through the mixer as well or can I send it direct to my 2 input audio interface? My aim is to have a separate track for each mic in Reaper – both recorded at the same time.

Also, as far as mic placement is concerned, is it OK to have the condenser and dynamic mics very close together? I want to use a single pop filter for both.

Your input greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-06-2012, 12:51 AM   #2
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You'll need a preamp for the sm58
So it's sm58 > preamp > interface

BTW: Seems like you could benefit from using just one mic.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:56 AM   #3
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Greetings fellow mortals.

I’m thinking of using two microphones for recording lead vocals. I have a Behringer C1 condenser and a Shure SM58 dynamic.

The C1 would have to go through my mixer for phantom power. Should I route the SM58 through the mixer as well or can I send it direct to my 2 input audio interface? My aim is to have a separate track for each mic in Reaper – both recorded at the same time.

Also, as far as mic placement is concerned, is it OK to have the condenser and dynamic mics very close together? I want to use a single pop filter for both.

Your input greatly appreciated.

Thanks
I think having two mics at the same distance from the singer is a waiste of time. Use one mic, the one that sounds best on the singer.

You could use the second mike to do the 'steve albini' effect that he used on Kurt Cobain's voice in 'Heartshaped Box'. The second mike is put a couple of meters away from him, the first mike where it normall would be. The second mike is gated such that it only picks up when the singing volume is at a certain threshold

this creates the addition of the 'room-tone/reverb' but only when you sing outloud. Check out the track, you can clearly hear it.

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Old 02-06-2012, 04:34 AM   #4
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Go for it, but be prepared to take the time to experiment with mic placement. I've obtained good results using a condenser mic as the main vocal mic with an SM58 placed a little off axis. The resulting mix can be fuller and more powerful ... much depends on the song and the style of music.

BTW I'm a tad puzzled at the comment that you need a preamp for the SM58 - it's a dynamic mic, I've never needed to use a pre-amp with mine ...
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Can you describe a bit about what effect you're trying to acheive by using the two mics?
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use the second mike to do the 'steve albini' effect that he used on Kurt Cobain's voice in 'Heartshaped Box'.

fwiw, david bowie did this decades earlier on "heroes."
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You can use the same mixer, phantom won't hurt the 58. Just make sure to pan each mic hard left and hard right...however if it's a cheap mixer you may have cross talk issues, but I wouldn't worry about it just yet.
If you want both mics close, which could certainly be valid if they have different qualities, make sure their diaphragms are as even as possible to avoid phasing. You can either blend the two sounds or use one for verse and one for chorus, or process differently...really the possiblities are endless.
I occassionally also like to use two spaced apart with a close mic to "eat" and work the proximity response, while another is back a foot or so away to catch the more natural sound.
I've also been known to use a mid/side configuration on lead vocals, mostly because I have an unhealthy infatuation with mid/side, but it can be very usefull in more minimalist mixes, like with only a handfull of acoustic instruments and a lot of negative space.

Oh, and if you want to use a pop filter, you really only need it on the mic closest to you.

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I want to experiment with adding a second mic placed back a few feet and use it to feed a reverb / delay type track. I'm looking for a vocal sound on this thing where it's fairly evenly across all songs, all verse and chorus and such, been doubled and delayed and so on, but not so much that goes from feeling like its "sound" to an effect.
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BTW I'm a tad puzzled at the comment that you need a preamp for the SM58 - it's a dynamic mic, I've never needed to use a pre-amp with mine ...
The Sm58 needs 40-50db gain depending on the singer. Do you really put that straight into your AD recording at -50 to -60dbFS??

But of course, the mixer has probably a preamp that can be used, so yes then sm58 > mixer > interface
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Can you describe a bit about what effect you're trying to acheive by using the two mics?
Thanks for all the interest and constructive comments, guys. The idea is to have the two tracks to give me a few more options. In the final mixing stage, I could decide to use one or the other (if there were a marginal difference) or maybe blend the two. I could also play around with effects and plugins on either or both tracks.
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I want to experiment with adding a second mic placed back a few feet and use it to feed a reverb / delay type track. I'm looking for a vocal sound on this thing where it's fairly evenly across all songs, all verse and chorus and such, been doubled and delayed and so on, but not so much that goes from feeling like its "sound" to an effect.
I've done this and especially in small room it helps. This way I can sing up close and not get so much room to the main vox. I use the other mic 100% wet for reverb sends only, this way it reduces esses and plosives and proximity from the verb. I also have used old 60s Electro Voice 631a mic for this application (it is practically 635, btw). That mic is omni and it cuts low end and high end so it is suited for this. The trick is to have that mic so much further that it won't be "spitty" and also that I use 100% wet reverb on it. It may be helpful to use predelay with that verb too.
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Go for it, but be prepared to take the time to experiment with mic placement. I've obtained good results using a condenser mic as the main vocal mic with an SM58 placed a little off axis. The resulting mix can be fuller and more powerful ... much depends on the song and the style of music.
Same here...but the other way round (dynamic for the singer to use as they would live,and the condenser slightly back,to the side, and a little off axis)...

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