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its more a problem of having too many options as far as the kind of songs im going to be doing
Great advice from everyone so far.

My occasional personal method is just to start like a band might start, come up with a bass line you like, then add drums, then add a chords, etc etc.

Just doing is half the battle, so just start... anything
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Sample something.

Cover something.

tails; cover something
only know 2 songs
flip a coin ,..tails

Blues cover of "In the pines" it is

thanks for simplifying my life

now should It be in E on an acoustic
or drop D on an electric
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All art is, from a certain point of view, is a series of decisions.

Keep flipping that coin

EDIT: Also, with covering something, we have untold options too. We arent limited to what we know any more. Only having two options is good so maybe I shouldnt add more, but there is a whole world of songs out there already available as MIDI files, so covering a track doesnt have to be a hassle of learning the chords any more, not that there is anything wrong with learning the chords. Obviously, most vaguely popular songs have the chords and notation released too, but I do find grabbing a midi file and changing it up can be fun too.

Just sayin', if there's a track you've always wanted to cover, there is likely a head start out there somewhere, and its all good fun to play with.
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now should It be in E on an acoustic
or drop D on an electric
Drop D is better for slides. You can still play along on the acoustic too, just maybe have to use a higher octave.

You wanna set a deadline?
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Old 10-01-2020, 09:31 AM   #485
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back up w acoustic in e hmm ill have some transposing to do?

i wonder if you can make every decicion about a song before you record it


flip a coin

modern interpretation
or
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i wonder if you can make every decicion about a song before you record it
why not? pretty boring that way tho imo. like painting a photograph.
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why not? pretty boring that way tho imo. like painting a photograph.
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Default it works though--flipping coins

86 bpm cover of "in the pines" in dropd electric @ accoustic guitar
electric slides the rythm changes
EE Am G \ B..G..E
acoustic plays open d

intro,intro, verse, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chourus, guitar solos long fade out
8 bar gut solo in Em the acoustic plays variations on the melody line

needs a breakdown or a turnaround

did I miss anything

oh yea I need a backbeat b4 i can get started
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oh yea I need a backbeat b4 i can get started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VDHRTqahi8

You can drag the file into a 120bpm project, switch project to beats timebase and then lower the bpm. Or just, you know, stomp your feet...
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I hadnt checked out you tube for drum lines\ there sure are a lot of them there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY2cWGN83yg

i dont know how to download yourtube audio

it might not be the easiest way to do things
i ve got some midi tracks i can try


this is the closest thing i could find to a blues backbeat
http://ccmixter.org/files/BeatMachine/62115

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I use jdownloader for downloading any youtube stuff...

https://jdownloader.org/
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Default search backbeat on youtube,...wrong answer

i just havent seen anything I would really use the sound quality is not so good

maybe soundcloud has blues backbeats from 65 to 116 bpm

I used beatmonkeys free midi pack on the last thing I did it worked really well !

I down loaded a one bar loop Im going to start with
it doesnt swing but i got to start some how

check out this vocal though !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooP3Fg758AI

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i just havent seen anything I would really use the sound quality is not so good

maybe soundcloud has blues backbeats from 65 to 116 bpm

I used beatmonkeys free midi pack on the last thing I did it worked really well !

I down loaded a one bar loop Im going to start with
it doesnt swing but i got to start some how

check out this vocal though !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooP3Fg758AI
Yeah, the limited bitrate on youtube is annoying. I usually only download things that are shit quality, or just for the dialogue or things that will likely be effected any way etc etc

Jdownloader is good for grabbing any links from your browser and queuing stuff up, pausing and restarting later.
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I can report back that I managed get my vocals down before my deadline (just). A link to rough mix of the song is posted in the music/collaboration forum here - https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=243084
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I dont have a deadline ,..something about that word bothers me

oh yea,..does it help ??
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You can drag the file into a 120bpm project, switch project to beats timebase and then lower the bpm. Or just, you know, stomp your feet...
Just had a wade round this guy`s site & predictably he has little or nothing outside the typical genres. Two or three country, which are mostly train shuffles (!!) and a minimal amount of r`nb plus zero americana.

One reason I roll my own mostly, despite being a bass and guitar player.

I have yet to find anyone offering grooves that come close to fitting anything I have written.
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Just had a wade round this guy`s site & predictably he has little or nothing outside the typical genres.
yea i'm not promoting him or anything...canned beats are canned beats. pretty sure that was the first thing that came up on YT for 3/4 blues beat.
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kinda puts the issue out there succinctly
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I dont have a deadline ,..something about that word bothers me

oh yea,..does it help ??
If you mean does having a deadline help, I think it does. It's a kind of self shaming thing.
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Probably the finality of it? Many of us procrastinators are simply perfectionists putting off the "perfection" we secretly know we'll never achieve in reality.
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I have often wondered if 'perfectionism' was actually some self-sabatoging behavior in disguise
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"Sabotaaaaaaj" - William Shatner

Yes, definitely. But it also depends how willing one is to learn and being able to put money into the hobby or get the results one wants within the limitations.

In my own case, I had to embrace the non stop learning from professionals, not just other people at my own level or below (that sounds way worse than I mean it), and also, once I put money into buying proper pro treatment for my studio/living room, mixing problems I had been having forever completely disappeared. Room treatment is something I should have done 20 years ago, it would have saved me so much time and trouble over the years.

Stupidly, I'm only just really getting to the 'within my limitations' thing, but thats because my rooms terrible sound (which I had no idea was terrible) was one source of always grinding to a halt musically - I just couldnt get the sound I was trying to achieve. The 'perfectionism' part of all this is now more under control but all the other factors of procrastination still apply tho

I'm still here. I still have a problem
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There should be some sort of a mind sponge to scrub your brain of audio sediments built by relistening everything 400 times during production.

Kinda finished tho, if the mixdown name takes half the screen width it's time to stop.

2020-09-21 21:18 5 327 933 harps.mp3
2020-09-23 10:00 7 316 374 harps2.mp3
2020-09-23 21:47 8 505 468 harps3.mp3
2020-09-23 22:57 8 848 195 harps4.mp3
2020-09-24 00:05 8 871 182 harps5.mp3
2020-09-25 17:35 8 871 182 harps6.mp3
2020-09-27 22:35 9 054 040 harps7-retrax.mp3
2020-09-28 22:14 9 077 027 harps8-full-retrax.mp3
2020-09-30 10:16 9 077 027 harps9-full-retrax.mp3
2020-09-30 20:51 9 077 027 harps9-full-retrax-lead-2.mp3
2020-10-03 19:11 9 327 803 harps10-full-retrax-lead-2-sample.mp3
2020-10-04 12:16 9 327 803 harps11-full-retrax-lead-2-sample.mp3
2020-10-05 21:50 9 785 468 harps11-full-retrax-lead-2-sample_tail.mp3
2020-10-05 23:05 9 785 468 harps11-full-retrax-lead-2-sample_tail_bas_z_-2.12_na_-4db.mp3
2020-10-06 17:51 9 785 468 harps11-full-retrax-lead-2-sample2_tail_bas_z_-2.12_na_-4db.mp3

Now a couple of weeks for a new title. And brain scrubbing.
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Is counting over 11 a no-no?
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once I put money into buying proper pro treatment for my studio/living room, mixing problems I had been having forever completely disappeared.
I've never gone the full distance because nowhere I end up ends up being a long term situation. I have heavy stage curtain, which did wonders for recording drums.

I just switch between speakers and headphones to try and account for the acoustics, but then I've been mixing for 15 years in various bedrooms on the same cheap monitors and still not quite satisfied with my mixes.

But how much did you end up spending if you don't mind saying?

I think I'll need to go for something somewhat portable and a guy on YT has be convinced that portrait-sized wood frame panels filled with layers of cheap used towel material is a totally legit and worthwhile DIY solution, but I've yet to try that.
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I've never gone the full distance because nowhere I end up ends up being a long term situation. I have heavy stage curtain, which did wonders for recording drums.

I just switch between speakers and headphones to try and account for the acoustics, but then I've been mixing for 15 years in various bedrooms on the same cheap monitors and still not quite satisfied with my mixes.

But how much did you end up spending if you don't mind saying?

I think I'll need to go for something somewhat portable and a guy on YT has be convinced that portrait-sized wood frame panels filled with layers of cheap used towel material is a totally legit and worthwhile DIY solution, but I've yet to try that.

Sorry for the long reply, but hopefully its all the info and it'll be here for other people too


Hmm, in total, its a figure no one would like. In reality, I did it in stints of maybe £150 at a time? Over the course of a year or more. I think my lowest purchase may have been £90 or £120?

So maybe around a grand? I havent actually added it up tbh, the above is a fair amount of guesses What I can say is -

It was all B-Stock
It was all returned to manufacturer with no damage at all, just a bunch of wrong orders (colour, size, etc)
I bought every thing in pairs to keep it all equal
Every single purchase I could, and still can, hear the difference.
To keep costs down, I didnt give a fuck about colour of what I was buying, but getting stuff recovered can be done.
Even cheaper than I did it, is stuff that is slightly more damaged.
Everything is panels easily hung on walls, or stackable corner triangle... things.
The corner stacks made all the difference and are really easy to buy cheap, in a modular way.

Easily, without doubt, this is the best musical purchase I ever made next to buying proper (but still cheap) studio monitors, and quality headphones. The difference between headphones to speakers to other systems is now fine for my purposes. 'Real' music sounds incredible now too Genuinely, hearing things I havent heard in music before, hearing the fucking room they're recording in on some albums I've heard million times.

I cannot over sell (in my situation) just how much this changed every thing for me

So, altho I've stopped buying, I kind havent. Also, there is obviously a point where one is over doing it, and there is a certain level of subjectivity to how 'live' ya wanna keep a room.

For me tho, I have

a square room,
high ceilings,
wooden floors,
large bay windows,

All those last four things make my room sound pretty good for recording with a little standard home furnishing treatments, but garbage for mixing, standing waves, terrible noise at any volume or complex material. Albums being really fatiguing to listen to at volume. Bass response being really confusing.

All fixed, comparatively Going to buy more at some point but for now, Im done, and nothing is fixed in place, so I can move it all.

Personally, I'd say start with these - https://gikacoustics.co.uk/product/g...tics-tri-trap/

There is a US site drop down link at the top of the page.

But MAKE SURE you email them and ask about the B-Stock, they usually have to go and check whats in the warehouse...

Heres the UK ebay bstock site, they have WAY MORE bstock in the warehouse that they dont have on ebay, and more coming in every week (if they are still doing the business they were doing before) - https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/gikukacou...1&_ipg=&_from=

EDIT: I think most of the bstock I got was half price, so that puts that into perspective regarding how relatively cheap it is. It just took time waiting for them to get the bstock I wanted, waiting for some big studio to mess up one of their orders

EDIT2: And considering I've been trying to mix for decades in rooms with the same bloody square/high ceilings/wooden floors stuff in various houses, I now realise that just buying monitors all those years ago was a waste of time, and I really shoulda listened to my musical friends who kept telling me and telling me "YOU NEED TO JUST BUILD SOME BASS TRAPS!". I never got round to it. I was so wrong, I should have spent all my money on bass traps over the years because I should have known PROCRASTINATION meant I was never going to build any bass traps

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But MAKE SURE you email them and ask about the B-Stock, they usually have to go and check whats in the warehouse...
Well it makes it a lot easier to buy in increments, but what you gotta just keep emailing them to check for b-stock until they happen to have some? How long did that take?

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Yea, bout time for me to realize that as well, haha. Good point.
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Well it makes it a lot easier to buy in increments, but what you gotta just keep emailing them to check for b-stock until they happen to have some? How long did that take?
I did it all by email because I didnt want to mess about with phone calls, so it could likely be done much quicker

They email back fairly quickly. I took my time to spread the cost and because I wanted specific stuff, but I took any colour Made sure I was nice to em to hopefully get a heads up when something I wanted came in.

Have an idea of what you want before contacting em, and see what they have, what sizes/colours/specs. Depend what ya after and what they have. They were really helpful. There is also a bunch of room calculator stuff round their website so you can see what might be more worth while for your own circumstances to start with.

B-stock is returns so it depends on the customers order not being right for some reason and returned, so your waiting on those random occasions, or stuff thats been hanging around in the warehouse they cant sell for one reason or another.

Check their ebay pictures.

EDIT: I think one person with multiple jobs already is in charge of b-stock in the UK, so it doesnt all get catalogued that quick, but some of the really good stuff goes very quickly, just depends whats what, ya know?
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Yeah, this project is all base 11
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Procrastination Solution #4,782 -

I was feeling overwhelmed about the amount of work ahead of me with this track I'm in the middle of.

So I deleted a few sections of the track. Its shorter, but I dont have to deal with that bit now.

I'll carry on doing this till there is no track left. Excellent solution.
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I finally got my Windows 7 (yes, Windows 7) REAPER computer working, which I built around my Xonar PCI (yes, PCI)soundcard!(finally got rid of the event id 41 kernel-power error). Got more RAM and an SSD ordered, plus a 6m MIDI cable to connect my Roland RS-70 to said machine(already got 2x9m MIDI cables between the Win 7 and Win 10 computers). I also got the Roland patch editor & librarian working in XP on a virtual machine on the Win 10 machine.


When you are up to your arse in alligators it is often difficult to remember that the initial object of the exercise was to drain the swamp!

Fortunately my wife has a long list of jobs for me, otherwise I would have to go into the music room and totally fail to create music.
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The failed song writing session will never appear again, but you can get another wife.

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RME still makes PCI soundcards and in my non-extensive, unscientific comparison, it performed identically to its PCI-e equivalent. PCI was cheaper so I sold the other one. Or at least I'm procrastinating planning to sell the other one. Anybody need an RME? It's got the "express!"
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so I was recording with about 5 cables wraped around my leg
useing my foot to hit rec (spacebar ) with about 16 inches of cord on my headphones

its really impossible to do anything if your not set up properly
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its really impossible to do anything if your not set up properly
Which is why cleaning your workspace is one of the best ways to build up some momentum for recording. Not only are you getting that dopamine fix by procrastinating, but you're doing something worthwhile and creating a situation that's conducive to working on whatever you're procrastinating. Win win win. Unless of course you immediately reward your efforts with a netflix binge.
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Arturia Keystep 37 just purchased.

No more playing out of key, no more bum notes and having to edit them later, but I can hit some bum notes if I want to still.

Workflow streamlined in one swift purchase.
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i think the more you can sreamline your workflow the more productive you can be
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Always helps being awake when someone tries to deliver a new keyboard.

Gotta wait till Monday now.

Procrastination level up!
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