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Old 03-01-2013, 03:04 PM   #81
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Sweetwater says they are on the way to their warehouses.

Just ordered mine. Will post my thoughts (and maybe a video of it in action) when I get it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:11 PM   #82
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too late

Live 9 audio-to-midi coming next week
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:34 AM   #83
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ordered it.
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:59 AM   #84
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Here's my price:

http://www.thomann.de/fi/fishman_triple_play.htm

I thought it was supposed to be 300.. dollars..?
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:45 AM   #85
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Starting to wonder if this thing exists. Sweetwater said early March, then late March, and I still haven't gotten mine.
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too late

Live 9 audio-to-midi coming next week
I saw the video promoting that. Wasn't very impressed and it ain't the same as real-time control of MIDI via guitar.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:26 PM   #87
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My sweetwater guy just informed me I'll have it on tuesday
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:31 PM   #88
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Man, that thing is so sweet.

Check this out...

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Old 04-17-2013, 03:32 AM   #89
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I spent my after-school yesterday messing with this.

I was not able to finish my lesson plans for today, and got up early to do so.

The thing was EXTREMELY fun to play.

I had some trouble with the strings clearing the bridge on my strat, and I am wondering where to get extra sticky plates in case I want to change it...

I love how easy it is to remove and install otherwise.... just that one thing.

The tracking is insanely good. I find I have to alter my style of playing a bit... I need to play a bit cleaner, and not do those muted strums im so fond of.

a quick thing this morning:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...fishman001.mp3

drums are just looped midi

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...man001-001.mp3

no drums

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...man001-002.mp3

just rhodes

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...man001-003.mp3

just bass

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...anbassmidi.MID

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...rhodesmidi.MID
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:57 AM   #90
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I had some trouble with the strings clearing the bridge on my strat, and I am wondering where to get extra sticky plates in case I want to change it...

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bluetack works pretty well
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:00 AM   #91
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I think the main reason I'm liking this thing is because it is the first system that has made me:

1. Want to sit and play it all day
2. Want to write songs
3. Actually do more than one track and to a metronome

--- it was all pretty solid!

I can't wait to really dig into this thing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:07 AM   #92
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hey Jason... a question plz:

does the midi input to reaper [or whatever] have to run through some fishman software or does can it just go directly in as any normal midi input???

I ask this because of what I see on the fishman web site.
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:52 AM   #93
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I haven't even used the fishman software yet - I think I adds additional functionality
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:54 AM   #94
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I can verify that the triple play integrates into Reaper just fine. No, you do not need to use any Fishman software, when you choose your midi input for the track, the Triple Play shows up as a controller. It is advisable to use that instead of the generic one, which for me at least will miss notes and gets poppy.

You do need to install the Triple Play software on your computer however, if for nothing else but to calibrate the sensitivity of each string. Once that's done it's saved to the device, and I haven't had to mess with it since then.

I have to say this device is one of the most wonderful things ever designed for a guitarist! With headphones on I can not detect any latency with most virtual instruments. The tracking is excellent, most "bad" notes are from less than tight playing, accidental harmonics, etc. But other than that, it's smooth sailing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:06 PM   #95
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it is the first system that has made me:

1. Want to sit and play it all day
2. Want to write songs
3. Actually do more than one track and to a metronome

--- it was all pretty solid!

I can't wait to really dig into this thing.


Thanks for the demos Jason.

Did you have to do much cleaning up of the midi notes?

Did you demo MidiGuitar for comparison?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:08 PM   #96
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I didnt do ANYthing to it. That's exactly what comes out.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:09 PM   #97
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I've played with the vst midi guitar thing... it simply doesn't compare, and it is the BEST of them out there. It just doesn't draw me to it, it's too frustrating in comparison. Even though it is quite good.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:12 PM   #98
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So much temptation....

Jason's sample was cool. The Tonefiend vid posted up thread was killer.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:31 PM   #99
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if I had a lower latency interface I would be even more happy i think.

The tracking is SO quick.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:50 PM   #100
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sometimes, the muted strings have a cool effect:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...fishman001.mp3
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:19 PM   #101
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if I had a lower latency interface I would be even more happy i think.

The tracking is SO quick.

Thanks putting up with questions Jason... what kind of latency do you have there?

Have you tried this on an acoustic gtr? ..would it work or not?

just wondering
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Thanks putting up with questions Jason... what kind of latency do you have there?

Have you tried this on an acoustic gtr? ..would it work or not?

just wondering
"putting up with" ???? nah man, it's all good!

I have about 4-6 ms of latency from my audio interface (firepod). I get no perceptible latency added from the pickup. It's so smooth - which is why it is so fun to play.

I have not tried it on an acoustic guitar. I am pretty sure that they are piezo pickups, so I see no reason why it wouldn't work on an acoustic.

The reason I wouldn't use an acoustic is because I don't want to hear the original sound if I can avoid it - it gets confusing then, imo.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:42 AM   #103
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thanks Jason... ok... gonna have get one soon.

I did try an axion years ago on my strat but it was not good.

This one seems to be a real thing.
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Hey Jason,

Do the metal endpin brackets have some sort of padding covering them so that they won't affect the finish of the guitar (if it is used as the mounting option)?

How did you mount yours?

The only guitar that I have that I don't care about the finish on is a Variax. On that guitar, I'd be willing to mount this thing by sticking it on with the adhesives.

Which of your guitars do you have it mounted on, and how long did it take to set up the hardware?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:35 AM   #105
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:17 AM   #106
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Hey Jason,

Do the metal endpin brackets have some sort of padding covering them so that they won't affect the finish of the guitar (if it is used as the mounting option)?
The side that meets the guitar has corky stuff on it.

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On the strap pin, pretty much lays flat against the body.

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The only guitar that I have that I don't care about the finish on is a Variax. On that guitar, I'd be willing to mount this thing by sticking it on with the adhesives.
Well, I still had to use an adhesive to mount the pickup, which I wasn't too happy about... but its a decent mounting system.

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Which of your guitars do you have it mounted on, and how long did it take to set up the hardware?
about 5 minutes. The hardest part was that the strings on my strat were a bit too low at first.
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
I think it might - but I wouldn't take that risk without contacting them.
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thanks Jason... ok... gonna have get one soon.

I did try an axion years ago on my strat but it was not good.

This one seems to be a real thing.
Yes, I haven't tried the roland or other hardware solutions like this. However, I have tried all of the software ones. So, my mode of comparison is somewhat skewed because of that.
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
No, they are working on a bass version however. No other details have been offered about it yet.
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To use this in a live rig,a computer is require?? Right. thks dawiz
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To use this in a live rig,a computer is require?? Right. thks dawiz
With the right connection hardware you could use an ipad, or hardware synth.
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Ok , What hardware would I need to use it with my existing hardware synth modules.? Some kind of usb to midi interface?? I have a Midisport Uno,it requires a usb bus.Sooo Ithink it would not work. thks thewiz
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Here's how I have the pickup mounted. On a tune-o-matic bridge you simply place the mounting bracket on the posts and lower them to make of for the offset, attach the bridge on top of the bracket, and re-install the strings.

Then measure which pad gives you the correct height (I used the thinnest one) and affix it to the bracket. Using the gauge that comes with the unit, set the 2 screws on the pickup to get as close to the strings as possible until the gauge starts to touch them. There are 2 mounting brackets for the controller, one curved for arch-top guitars and the other flat. Pick which one works for your guitar, attach it to the strap button and then attach the adhesive magnetic strip and snap on the controller.

On this setup the pickup is not touching the guitar so no sticky residue left behind. The controller bracket has a cork bottom so no scratching the finish either.

Then simply charge up the controller, fire up the software, calibrate the string sensitivity, and your off!

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Good! By the time the bass version is ready, I might have enough money saved up to buy it.
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For another discussion on the TriplePlay,

http://www.futureguitarnow.com/forum...php?board=91.0


And there is a Group Buy on the Fishman TriplePlay there as well...(I have participated in a couple of past group buys from them, which is why I am linking...)

How can I not pull the trigger on this...
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How is the tracking on extremely low notes? That's where tracking should be measured as it is where the most latency occurs due to longer wavelengths.
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How is the tracking on extremely low notes? That's where tracking should be measured as it is where the most latency occurs due to longer wavelengths.
Low E on the E string is fine here...

I mean, the bass parts were all on the low strings.
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Low E on the E string is fine here...

I mean, the bass parts were all on the low strings.
Cool. So if I nailed a note exactly on time to a click in Reaper, won't I have to deal with that additional latency point in the chain? Fishman > USB > Reaper. Let's assume my current setup will show up exactly on time because I'm calibrated via loopback test.

I guess I'm assuming the calibration to get the triple play to line up exactly as played would be a different calibration that I have for my keyboard or guitar due to the small added latency of the Fishman?

Not trying to sound picky but its something I would need to account for. I suppose I could just record the midi notes on track one and the pure guitar audio note on track two and compare.
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Cool. So if I nailed a note exactly on time to a click in Reaper, won't I have to deal with that additional latency point in the chain? Fishman > USB > Reaper. Let's assume my current setup will show up exactly on time because I'm calibrated via loopback test.

I guess I'm assuming the calibration to get the triple play to line up exactly as played would be a different calibration that I have for my keyboard or guitar due to the small added latency of the Fishman?

Not trying to sound picky but its something I would need to account for. I suppose I could just record the midi notes on track one and the pure guitar audio note on track two and compare.
the latency of the fishman is .5 ms according to the manual - just the transmission of the wireless.

I can't see that being much different than a keyboard.

but I dont know..

I could record audio and midi next to each other in a bit if it would help.
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