"Ain't Gonna Lie" is back from the Mastering!

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by flickervetigo

I spose it's time to think about false flag christians

That would be someone who starts out sounding spiritual and uses language like "sacred," and "brother," and then when called out on his own failings, loses his temper and accuses you of "pleasuring yourself" with a cross.

[whiteaxxxe]

Originally Posted by beingmf

Maybe. But I was raised as an so-tolerant never-give-up German, haha.

All I see is a (sorry, it's true) kinda childish OP who is kinda yelled at by the other forumites. The fact that he posted here originally meant that he wanted to learn something, I'm sure. Confronted with some of the replies (especially the religion ones) I likely would have taken that defensive demeanor as well.

I was raised the same in the same country, but I learned to give up under certain circumstances the hard way.

the religious thing was brought up by the OP himself. and in exactly the worst way thinkable: those who criticise me criticise my religion and that is a no-go. so you cant argue with that. good trick. but nothing more. and to be again a bit blunt: some of the christian members here play exactly that card. so they dont want to discuss their issues. and then the OP posted someone who made it right regarding the mix and the sound. and that one was too christian and it sounded absolutely awful, simply bad, bad, bad. but its ok because it is christian.

so what shall we think about someone who is not willing to learn but plays the religion-game??? to be more blunt: that is in principle the same arguing ISIS comes across with. and this makes me set up when religion is brought in to do exactly that: derail the original discussion. so it isnt a religious thing or religious feelings getting hurt. (my feelings get hurt by that f!"§$ing mastering tutorial discussion.) its religion brought in to win a pointless discussion. mission failed!

[flickervetigo]

Originally Posted by macousticboy

That would be someone who ,,,

a false flag Christian would be someone who claims to be a Christian but acts like a leaping gaping *sshole in an attempt to discredit christianity

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[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by beingmf

I still like the vocals
But I also second what many contributors already said. The mix is not "mastering ready" yet. It indeed turns out that the tubby reverb on the vocals is emphasized now that the audio is compressed and limited.
This is something that normally shouldn't happen if the mix is dense (or glued/cohesive) enough in the first place.

Being able to deliver a good mix doesn't happen over night - a lot (!) of experience is needed. Objective listening, more than basic technical knowledge, also the ability to accept technical/musical feedback.

How about mixing 2 more versions with a completey different approach? Just for experience's sake?

I still don't get where ppl are saying I have a problem with critiques of the mix.

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by tgraph

this became a waste of time at about the time the OP began to refuse any constructive help. Which was a while ago.

I hope you don't plan on going on Jeopardy any time soon 'Cuz I'm having a constructive convo with SaulT elsewhere on a different thread right now. Also, you can see on one of these threads that I took advice from Fergler and ReaDave. Put ReaDave's suggestion into practice, too.

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by whiteaxxxe

the religious thing was brought up by the OP himself. and in exactly the worst way thinkable: those who criticise me criticise my religion and that is a no-go.d!

You're a complete MORON. That is not how religion got brought up in here, at all. That was brought up by flickervetigo first, not me.

ETA: I might add, you still haven't given any evidence I said things that I asked you for. And now you've accused me of something I didn't do again...!

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by flickervetigo

a false flag Christian would be someone who claims to be a Christian but acts like a leaping gaping *sshole in an attempt to discredit christianity

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Go cry in your beer, and take your own advice about singing, homie! Oooooooooh! :P

[flickervetigo]

Originally Posted by macousticboy

Go cry in your beer, and take your own advice about singing, homie! Oooooooooh! :P

all we know for sure is that there are very powerful people now who plan to establish "full spectrum dominance"... which includes the internet, religioun and the entertainment industry

we know some of them profess to be Christians, some of them are religious jews, some sothe them are apparently atheists, and some of them are run-of-the-mill imperialists who'd just as soon NOT indulge deathwish Christian fantasies about the rapture and the end times

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who benefits from discrediting Christianity?

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[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by flickervetigo

all we know for sure is that there are very powerful people now who plan to establish "full spectrum dominance"... which includes the internet, religioun and the entertainment industry

we know some of them profess to be Christians, some of them are religious jews, some sothe them are apparently atheists, and some of them are run-of-the-mill imperialists who'd just as soon NOT indulge deathwish Christian fantasies about the rapture and the end times

,

who benefits from discrediting Christianity?

.

Have fun with this topic, d00d. You're the religion-obsessed one, here. I'm out.

[flickervetigo]

furthermore, who benefits when supposed Christians post songs that are offensive to anyone who has a decent appreciation for music?

...an appreciation for music that transcends whatever religious beliefs they have?

does Christianity benefit from inept Christian singers?

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[Cosmic]

WHAT A THREAD!

Oh My GOD I havent laughed so much in ages.

I was actually thinking of knocking out a few christian tunes myself..seems like theres money to be made in that game

[whiteaxxxe]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

.. seems like theres money to be made in that game

yes, seems so. unfortunately there is no mastering tutorial to make it radio ready.

[Cosmic]

Originally Posted by whiteaxxxe

yes, seems so. unfortunately there is no mastering tutorial to make it radio ready.

Lol!

haha..yeah.

I hear the virgin mary hangs out with Dave Pensado though

[OpIvy]

That's one way to stay a virgin

[Cosmic]

ABORT!

[poplomop]

way better than "FourFiveSeconds".

[Cosmic]

tl;dr

Check yerself before you wreck yerself

[Timothy Lawler]

What a thread. Cosmic already said that, as well as summing up the thread perfectly, IMO, in his post a few before this one. Edit: snip

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by Timothy Lawler

macousticboy, you have no reason to take my advice but I'll give it anyway. It would be classy (and smart in a practical sense as this is a great forum to get honest and skilled feedback) to apologize at this point

I have absolutely nothing to apologize for. SaulT apologized to me, and that was very manly of him to do that. At least 3 (if not more individuals) should also apologize because it was them, not myself who drug religion into the discussion. Others should apologize for misrepresenting the things I said, and for attributing motivations to me that were false.

Or as SaulT put it:

"It is easy to interpret someone's actions a certain way and then get bent out of shape about it. I have not given you sufficient benefit of the doubt"

And his actions were MILD compared to some of the others!

In that regard, have you heard the work of those talking to you here?

You haven't really read this whole thread very well, haven't you?

[whiteaxxxe]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

I hear the virgin mary hangs out with Dave Pensado though

what? then she is no virgin??? Pensado using all these "plugins" all the time?

[tgraph]

Originally Posted by macousticboy

I hope you don't plan on going on Jeopardy any time soon 'Cuz I'm having a constructive convo with SaulT elsewhere on a different thread right now. Also, you can see on one of these threads that I took advice from Fergler and ReaDave. Put ReaDave's suggestion into practice, too.

that's good. in this thread that I'm reading you're fighting against any critique and claiming your tracks stand up for themselves at the same time that you're asking how to fix them. You've quit this thread probably 5 times, and them come back with more pissy comments. I suggest that you don't post in a public forum again until you're ready to hear what people have to say. When you act like a spoiled kid you open yourself up to ridicule.
Ive spent much more time on things then it seems you have and work hard at it, and would never even consider sending them off to someone to 'master' them. It's part of the mixing process. It ain't rocket surgery. It's just lots of hours and making an attempt to hear what's really there. I spend time trying to train my ears. I read and experiment with what I read.. I start over. I listen to what people say in critiques and give serious attention to comments to see if I agree with them in part or in whole. I go back and listen more.
My new mastering tutorial for you is spend some time listening to what's on your tracks. To what's actually there and not what you wish was there. Listen to other songs in this same genre, if you can, and compare. This track that's being discussed here is barely up to demo standards. And that's being generous. Best of luck with it.

[Dafinga]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

WHAT A THREAD!

Oh My GOD I havent laughed so much in ages.

Yeah! It's hard to pinpoint what's funniest about this thread, the abysmal quality of the OP's singing (and I'm going to go ahead and include "Beatitudes" in there too btw), the fact that he is aggressively resistant to any criticism of it, or the fact that this track was mastered.

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by tgraph

that's good. in this thread that I'm reading you're fighting against any critique and claiming your tracks stand up for themselves at the same time that you're asking how to fix them

Okay, so once again... post up a quote from me that backs up your assertion, Flapjack. I won't be holding my breath.

You've quit this thread probably 5 times, and them come back with more pissy comments

Doesn't anybody else around here opt out of a discussion until such point as they have the time & energy to put into it? I've seen it done on Facebook lotsa times. Well, welcome to a new concept.

I suggest that you don't post in a public forum again

I suggest you go be someone else's mom on their time, how 'bout that?

until you're ready to hear what people have to say

Proven false, examples cited by me right here in this thread. If you can't be objective enough to see it, don't bother lecturing me about it.

When you act like a spoiled kid you open yourself up to ridicule

Oh the IRONY:

Originally Posted by pdk

I hope you wash that cross you pleasure yourself with.

Which you won't see because he edited it. Apparently being chastised for acting like a spoiled child is rather selective in these parts.

Ive spent much more time on things then it seems you have

You actually have no clue how much time I spend on things, do you?

and work hard at it, and would never even consider sending them off to someone to 'master' them. It's part of the mixing process. It ain't rocket surgery. It's just lots of hours and making an attempt to hear what's really there. I spend time trying to train my ears. I read and experiment with what I read.. I start over. I listen to what people say in critiques and give serious attention to comments to see if I agree with them in part or in whole. I go back and listen more

And as anyone being objective can see, I have done the same. To people who keep personal comments out of the mix.

[macousticboy]

So... here's the deal: Several of you think you can bludgeon me into submission by insulting me about things that have nothing to do with music production, by being vulgar, and by repeating the same tired arguments over & over again. Word - It ain't gonna happen.

It doesn't bother me to face down an entire room. I've done it more times than I can count, on a variety of topics from religion to politics to the best recipe for a buttery nipple. Okay, the last one was a joke, but you get the point. When I see individuals bringing stuff into the mix that has no place among civilized adults, let alone this forum, I'm not very inclined to listen to them try to have a sit-down with me about anything. When I have people tell me I can't sing, and I can go to their own stuff & hear one guy sound like a drunken old derelict and the other sound like my dog when I accidentally step on his tail, I'm not very moved to take that as any criticism worth much. I could cite other examples from having gone heard some of y'all's work, but I'll have mercy.

When I can read stuff like this:

the religious thing was brought up by the OP himself. and in exactly the worst way thinkable: those who criticise me criticise my religion

...which is a bold face lie, I simply am going to resist anything that person has to offer in the way of advice. Or this:

all we know for sure is that there are very powerful people now who plan to establish "full spectrum dominance"... which includes the internet, religioun and the entertainment industry
we know some of them profess to be Christians, some of them are religious jews, some sothe them are apparently atheists, and some of them are run-of-the-mill imperialists who'd just as soon NOT indulge deathwish Christian fantasies about the rapture and the end times

,

who benefits from discrediting Christianity?

LMAO I'm still trying to figure out what the hell this demented subhuman intelligence-level rant even means, let alone wtf it has to do with the price of eggs in China!

Oh and that's really cute, those of you who edited your comments. What, ain't got the gonads to stand behind what you say? Man up yourself, before telling someone else about being a man.

I could spend all day here exposing the blatant hypocrisy of several of you and not even break a bead of sweat. But why bother? The truth is I have taken the advice of some here and actually put it into practice on a recording. The rest of you aren't even giving any concrete advice (as in "try this technique",) just generalized mud-slinging.

As such, I turned off auto-notify so I can attend to other things until such time as I see that more smack has been added to this nutzoid repartee'. Have fun fallin' all over yourselves trying to connect the next blow... that won't connect. Ciao for now.

[whiteaxxxe]

facepalm.

[tgraph]

Originally Posted by whiteaxxxe

facepalm.

+100 and then some

[whiteaxxxe]

ah, not for that.

[poplomop]

it's way better than those 80s movie soundtracks like on the first "Terminator" and on "The Color Of Money" and lots of others. bad decade for movie soundtracks.

[Cosmic]

I am officially calling a HALT!..a cessation.

macousticboy is doing his own thing.Mistakes were made and will no doubt be made again but fuck it..thats life.

Its non productive to pull his shit forensically apart...

Its time to live and let live

I for one am looking forward to hearing what he comes up with next.in music that is.

[flickervetigo]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

I am officially calling a HALT! .

you got a badge, mister?

[ponk]

Cosmic doesn't need a badge, he is part of the unstoppable flow that is the Reaper hive mind. So, start swimming

[flickervetigo]

Originally Posted by ponk

Cosmic doesn't need a badge, he is part of the unstoppable flow that is the Reaper hive mind. So, start swimming

ah, the unstoppable hive mind...

do you spose this macousticboy is part of the unstoppable hive mind?

...because if he is, the unstoppable hive mind has got a problem

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on the other hand, we're all human beings with feelings now, and that --if we're Christian about it-- limits our ability to tell this guy the truth about his singing, doesn't it?

but it makes economic sense to be a perpetual cheerleader and peacemaker... I mean, even hopeless cases have money enough to buy a reaper license , and they should be encouraged no matter how dismal they sound

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[flickervetigo]

I spent the last hour or so listening to the songs in the soundcloud "folk-singer/songwriter" category

lots of people there who can sing... manyof them have commercially viable voices --their voices are distinctive, identifiable... they get 40 or 50 thousand views on the songs they post at soundloud, but nobody's ever hear of them and never will

they can sing, they've got good voices, many of them are well-produced...

the only hope this guy has is to listen to criticism, try to limit his singing to stuff he can sing well --if there is anything he can sing well-- and quit listening to his "fans"...

there's something really ugly at work here, psychologically, if his Christian admirers are praising his music simply because he's supposedly a chrisitan and they want to keep him in the fold

[ponk]

Originally Posted by flickervetigo

but it makes economic sense to be a perpetual cheerleader and peacemaker... I mean, even hopeless cases have money enough to buy a reaper license , and they should be encouraged no matter how dismal they sound

.

Well for me, it makes sense (as a human being with feelings) to be a peacemaker in most situations, and think that's what Cosmic was saying. Hopeless case? Only when you're dead. And if you're not dead, start swimming

[flickervetigo]

Originally Posted by ponk

.... Hopeless case?

sorry...

I've spent too many hours chained to recording equipment listening to hopeless cases

there are people who should not be allowed within a hundred miles of a microphone

,

of course, that's another psychological snakepit, isn't it? ...for a small commercial studio... you've got to pander to people who really cant sing because they're giving you enough money to live

[flickervetigo]

I've been wondering for a long time how many people could sing if they didn't get their music handed to them by the music business...

lots of people could sing, I bet, if they'd just sing... and I'm gonna define "singing" here, for the sake of argument... "singing" is singing well enough to "sell" a song... not "sell" in a commercial sense, but in a credibility sense --doesn't have to be the singer's song, but the song's got to be delivered in a convincing manner

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this beach in Baja is bordered on one side by a rock cliff, and there's a narrow slice cut out of the cliff... if you went back in there, you'd be more-or-less hidden, so the Americans camped on the beach would go back in there to shit

but the place had a great echo and groups of Mexicans-good singers, good players singing and playing for the ufn of it-- would go in there to play and sing... surrounded by little piles of American shit

.

at the time,that seemed to sum things up pretty well

.

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by flickervetigo

if we're Christian about it-- limits our ability to tell this guy the truth about his singing, doesn't it?

Actually a friend of mine who is of Jewish blood and not active in any religion AFAIK, and who taught himself jazz, listens to my stuff a lot - or used to - and will tell me if I'm off and ought to re-do a track. And he had particular praise for my work on "Beatitudes."

***CRASH!*** PWNED!


Hopefully someone I could mention will have someone else kind enough to tell him he sounds like that guy lying in the gutter in A Clockwork Orange who got the living shit beat out of him by Alex & his "droogs" in the 1st few minutes of the film.

No names mentioned, of course

[Cosmic]

Originally Posted by ponk

Cosmic doesn't need a badge, he is part of the unstoppable flow that is the Reaper hive mind. So, start swimming

Thats fucking Officer Cosmic to you

werrrrrrrrrr..I am channelling the Hive Mind....whirrrrrr

[Cosmic]

Originally Posted by macousticboy

Actually a friend of mine who is of Jewish blood and not active in any religion AFAIK, and who taught himself jazz, listens to my stuff a lot - or used to - and will tell me if I'm off and ought to re-do a track. And he had particular praise for my work on "Beatitudes."

***CRASH!*** PWNED!


Hopefully someone I could mention will have someone else kind enough to tell him he sounds like that guy lying in the gutter in A Clockwork Orange who got the living shit beat out of him by Alex & his "droogs" in the 1st few minutes of the film.

No names mentioned, of course

Ahh go on..name names!

I'm sure we could all do with a laugh at this stage

[macousticboy]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Ahh go on..name names!

I'm sure we could all do with a laugh at this stage

Pretty certain y'all know who I'm referring to.