Q: TCP and ENV heights

[DarkStar]

I would like to achieve the following:
- a new track has a height of 52
- a track can be reduced in height to 28
- a Recarmed track has a height of 74
- a new envelope has a height of 49
As in this pic:



I have tried everything I can think of but cannot get the desired results. Can someone point me in the right-direction?

In rtconfig.txt I currently have "tcp_heights 2 28 28 74"

[DarkStar]

Bump. Anyone?

Or is this not possible? It seems a rather basic theme-dependent feature to me.

[lucas_LCS]

Originally Posted by DarkStar

Bump. Anyone?

Or is this not possible? It seems a rather basic theme-dependent feature to me.

unless I've misunderstood, the tcp_heights setting at the top of the RTconfig is the only one I know of that might do what you're asking.

Please note:
That setting is not WALTER.
If you have added it again somewhere below in the WALTER code section, the last entry for it will be the one that affects your layout sizing.
Reaper will ignore all previous entries.

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[DarkStar]

The tcp_heights values work for the minimum TCP height (28) and for the Recarmed height( 74)

But i cannot find out how to create a new track with a height of 52. or a new Envelope with a height of 49.

And (and this has niggled me for years) - when I increase the height of a TCP the EnvCP heights increase too. . To me, it seems very unlikely that you would want to increase both at the same time.

[lucas_LCS]

Originally Posted by DarkStar

The tcp_heights values work for the minimum TCP height (28) and for the Recarmed height( 74)

But i cannot find out how to create a new track with a height of 52. or a new Envelope with a height of 49.

And (and this has niggled me for years) - when I increase the height of a TCP the EnvCP heights increase too. . To me, it seems very unlikely that you would want to increase both at the same time.

Try changing the Default track height in new projects setting to the height you want in:

Options/Preferences/Project/Track/Send Defaults

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[hwhalen]

My observation tells me that some fractional voodoo occurs within the track heights numbers. IMHO this should be changed to four independent size, but alas...

.ps maybe even add a directive allowing differing sizes for the envelope lane.

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by lucas_LCS

Try changing the Default track height in new projects setting to the height you want in:

Options/Preferences/Project/Track/Send Defaults

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'Fraid not, that did not work either.

[Phazma]

Sorry for hijacking but related to this I am wondering why envelopes are always a little smaller than tracks. I usually never zoom individual tracks/envs but vertical zoom the whole tcp/arrangement so all tracks always have the same heigth and it looks a bit odd to me that envelopes have a slightly different zoom in/out resizing. I though “set envcp.size tcp.size” would fix this but apparently it doesn’t. Anyone knows if it is possible to actually have the envelope control panels the same size as track control panels?

[Phazma]

Bump.

[strachupl]

Why dont you use this

tcp_heights	2 28 52 74
envcp_min_height 49

?
With this code I can achieve to scroll height to 52, save as current new default height in preferences, save as default in project settings and it works.
New track is 52, small 28, collapsed 2, recarm 74, envelope is 49. Not ideal but it looks like almost fit your expectation.

Bit offtopic:

Inndeed envelope panel is binded with track panel height.

There could be option to prevent envelope panel to resize with tracks which is quite bad behaviour but I see many more bad things about envelope panel which I don't believe will change any time soon. Simply managing and resizing those panels is bad designed, still you can't select mote than one and do operation on multiple selected ones.

[Phazma]

Originally Posted by strachupl

Why dont you use this

tcp_heights	2 28 52 74
envcp_min_height 49

?
With this code I can achieve to scroll height to 52, save as current new default height in preferences, save as default in project settings and it works.
New track is 52, small 28, collapsed 2, recarm 74, envelope is 49. Not ideal but it looks like almost fit your expectation.

Will try later.

Originally Posted by strachupl

Bit offtopic:

Inndeed envelope panel is binded with track panel height.

There could be option to prevent envelope panel to resize with tracks which is quite bad behaviour but I see many more bad things about envelope panel which I don't believe will change any time soon. Simply managing and resizing those panels is bad designed, still you can't select mote than one and do operation on multiple selected ones.

Exactly, as I said in another thread:

Originally Posted by Phazma

There are so many of these weirdnesses with envelope lanes.. IMO they should just 100% behave like track panels. Also they should default to the same size as tracks so if one zooms all tracks in/out at the same time they grow/shrink by same proportions.

Especially what you say about not being possible to select and edit multiple ECP is very annoying. ECP just feel like such a rudimentary version of a track while they could just work exactly like normal tracks.

[strachupl]

Originally Posted by Phazma

Will try later.

Actually it was response to original thread creator but I forgot to quote it.
I think it is not going to help you in your case.


As for envelope panel zoom, yes it is another weakness, I found this really hard to work with but there are some SWS additions and scripts that can make a pain a bit less which is great about Reaper in General. Still Envelope panel and envelopes lack some nicety, automation items where nice but I felt like it was more like bypassing some fundamental issues like multiple editing than a great addition to existing feature. I would like to see more things that could make it easy, fast and comfortable to use instead, but enough of this grumbling as I went total offtopic