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Old 07-25-2020, 02:09 PM   #1
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v6.13+dev0725a - July 25 2020
  • + About box: improve UI for license key import
  • + Audio devices: prevent deadlock when changing samplerate of some audio devices [t=240284]
  • + Media explorer: move pitch knob options to pitch knob context menu
  • + Tracks: allow all even channel counts between 2 and 64
  • # Area selection: prevent crash when deleting send envelopes containing area selections
  • # Area selection: snap area selections to media items while marquee-creating, if enabled
  • # Arrange view: update cursor when changing last selected track via TCP click or action
  • # Media explorer: fix keyboard focus issue when tabbing through controls
  • # Media explorer: fix theme color reset when changing list view mode on windows
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+ Audio devices: prevent deadlock when changing samplerate of some audio devices [t=240284]
Can we have presets for audio devices, which we could switch by actions?
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Sorry, there was a problem the the build, and unrelatedly, Justin may have to take landoleet.org down for maintenance. This +dev build may or may not get re-posted today.
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Can we have presets for audio devices, which we could switch by actions?
Pretty please, with sugar on top...
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Hahah we're sitting like vultures. Kind of amazing to have such rabid users, really. Probably pretty exclusive to Reaper users too which is pretty sick.
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# Area selection: snap area selections to media items while marquee-creating, if enabled

not tested obviously but thanks in advance for this!
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Hahah we're sitting like vultures. Kind of amazing to have such rabid users, really. Probably pretty exclusive to Reaper users too which is pretty sick.
We’re also free and happy QA testers. Good for Cockos. Good for us. Love is all around.
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Haha yeah I meant sick in the colloquial "amazing" sense.
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Old 07-26-2020, 12:26 AM   #9
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Media Explorer selection colors aren't doing anything in Tweaker.
It is using window list selector instead.
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# Area selection: snap area selections to media items while marquee-creating, if enabled

Been testing this and seems to work great so far thanks!

I had one time where I drew 3 separate area selections on 3 different tracks to move some items and after moving the greed "dashed" original area selections stayed behind for a few more edits but they eventually vanished and I couldn't reproduce again. Will post a licecap if they ever do that again
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Area selection time stretch - option to only stretch/move only item starts and not stretch lengths

Please allow a mouse modifier to move/stretch only the item starts and not their lengths/ends.

So that we can use this for cut up beats, dialogue and sound design stuff where we might want to adjust a lot of timings all at once (over multiple tracks) but not want (or need) the sound quality and transients affected by the time stretching.

This is something I've desired for years and we have scripts that come close but having it native would be amazing!
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Wouldn't it be better to have a button on main toolbar dedicated to area seletion? With different options from right-click menu as snap, copying hidden automation etc.
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Devs, can you add an option to remember the individual width of docked windows?

In the old MX width version it wasn't a big problem, but now I have to set the MX width again every time.


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Devs, can you add an option to remember the individual width of docked windows?

In the old MX width version it wasn't a big problem, but now I have to set the MX width again every time.
yes! please
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I still think we need an improvement in the AS area.

issue: source envelope is not copied/moved over, because envelope with same name does not exist on destination track.




desired behavior: copy over envelope data to visible envelope

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I still think we need an improvement in the AS area.

issue: source envelope is not copied/moved over, because envelope with same name does not exist on destination track.




desired behavior: copy over envelope data to visible envelope

100 percent agree. If you are dragging it there you obviously want to copy it there.

Just to re-iterate from a previous thread...

1) If you are copying envelopes from one set of visible lanes to another set of visible lanes, it should copy the envelope data regardless of the envelope lane parameter. (as very clearly shown in the GIF Stevie made above)

EXAMPLE: If you have vol and pan lanes in the AS and you are copying to a track with send vol and send pan lanes visible, it should copy the data from vol and pan into send vol and send pan.
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Devs, can you add an option to remember the individual width of docked windows?
I know this has been a longstanding request and would love to see this finally get implemented. With the recent FX Browser and Media Explorer improvements, I think it's a clear that a big chunk of users (possibly a majority) are side-docking these windows. And constantly having to resize these side-docked windows really sucks from a workflow perspective.

On my left dock, I want a wide Action List, a medium sized FX Browser and Media Explorer, with a fairly narrow Track List (just need to see name TCP/MCP columns). The second I open the Action List, which has a wider minimum width, everything else becomes that size. And I'm forced to resort to either screensets or just constantly resizing windows, when clicking the docked tab would be much more efficient.

So...pretty please? With sugar on top! Doing this now would totally align with the MX changes because so many of us are docking that window.
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100 percent agree. If you are dragging it there you obviously want to copy it there.

Just to re-iterate from a previous thread...

1) If you are copying envelopes from one set of visible lanes to another set of visible lanes, it should copy the envelope data regardless of the envelope lane parameter. (as very clearly shown in the GIF Stevie made above)

EXAMPLE: If you have vol and pan lanes in the AS and you are copying to a track with send vol and send pan lanes visible, it should copy the data from vol and pan into send vol and send pan.
i agree but there should be an option easy to check and uncheck in toolbar to use the actual behavior as the user may be interested in both depending the action
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Please allow a listening to Track Template in Media Explorer.

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can anyone confirm this automation recording bug?

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...25&postcount=8

Or is it just me?

I'm hoping it is so I can work out what preference is causing this and fix it.

It's very broke!
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# Area selection: allow moving areas across tracks if env-pts-move-with-items enabled and not all source envelopes exist on the destination track
Thanks so much for adding this! It really helps so much, especially in large projects.

Could you add a couple options to this that were discussed previously? First, an option to automatically make visible the destination lanes when copying/moving. In fact, I would argue that this would be the expected behavior so the user can clearly see what is being copied and should be default.

Second, if the lane/parameter does not exist on the destination track because the plugin does not exist, instanciate the plugin and then copy/move the lane (vs not copying/moving at all).
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This change actually didn't make it into +dev0725a -- the problem with the build involved this code change. It should be in the next build though.
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I'm trying to get used to the new thicker cursor thingy, and I can certainly understand it's use.
Is there anyway at all it could be optional, or could the thickness of it be reduced, adjusted.
I miss the old way already.
I'm trying, but my eye's is having trouble getting used to it.
Could it please be an option?
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Sorry to spam this thread but having Media Explorer in focus this could be relevant:
Dragging media from Media Explorer does not respect snapping option "Snap media items to nearby media items". It does respect the first two though (Snap media items to selection/markers/cursor and to grid).
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Sorry to spam this thread but having Media Explorer in focus this could be relevant:
Dragging media from Media Explorer does not respect snapping option "Snap media items to nearby media items". It does respect the first two though (Snap media items to selection/markers/cursor and to grid).
Yeah.. Just found that today too. would be a good thing to have.
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I still think we need an improvement in the AS area.

issue: source envelope is not copied/moved over, because envelope with same name does not exist on destination track.
+100!
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I still think we need an improvement in the AS area.

issue: source envelope is not copied/moved over, because envelope with same name does not exist on destination track.




desired behavior: copy over envelope data to visible envelope

+1

That 2nd example would be my expected behavior too.

Thanks devs for all your amazing work!

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Default area selection - modifier that copies over midi and automation items as pooled

area selection - modifier that copies over midi and automation items as pooled


Got a project I'm doing now that involves a lot of copying of automation and midi items that should be ideally pooled/ghost copies of each other.

Having an option that enables that whilst using area selection copying would be amazing time saver especially since I don't seem to be able to copy automation with items as pooled in the normal way right?


(also, side plea.. could we have a tick box in automation items to reverse the automation item even whilst pooled. This would save me hours in sound design on the next few projects.)
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Devs, can you add an option to remember the individual width of docked windows?

In the old MX width version it wasn't a big problem, but now I have to set the MX width again every time.
Oh, yes. This would be much appreciated.
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area selection - modifier that copies over midi and automation items as pooled


Got a project I'm doing now that involves a lot of copying of automation and midi items that should be ideally pooled/ghost copies of each other.
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+ 1 agreed. I still feel strongly that ghost copying should be standard rather than live copying. Not only does it make the above example really difficult to deal with, it means copying/moving AS is basically useless while the transport is playing. Not to mention the lag it introduces when copying/moving that otherwise would not exist.
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Please allow a listening to Track Template in Media Explorer.
This is not ideal, but you can render/freeze your track template and drag the wav into the folder with track templates and rename it to the same name.

The new MX functions make it very easy.

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Can we have presets for audio devices, which we could switch by actions?
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+ 1 agreed. I still feel strongly that ghost copying should be standard rather than live copying. Not only does it make the above example really difficult to deal with, it means copying/moving AS is basically useless while the transport is playing. Not to mention the lag it introduces when copying/moving that otherwise would not exist.
i am not sure what what is being discussed and to which feature but:
- if splited items would could keep the pooled status would be amazing
- if we could have a mode like "copying/duplicating items/ai creates pooled copies" would be also be great (not sure if exists tho)

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100 percent agree. If you are dragging it there you obviously want to copy it there.

Just to re-iterate from a previous thread...

1) If you are copying envelopes from one set of visible lanes to another set of visible lanes, it should copy the envelope data regardless of the envelope lane parameter. (as very clearly shown in the GIF Stevie made above)

EXAMPLE: If you have vol and pan lanes in the AS and you are copying to a track with send vol and send pan lanes visible, it should copy the data from vol and pan into send vol and send pan.
Yes yes ! Also I love in the second gif how is always possible to move altho not possible to drop, instead of stuck area selection when no drop possible.
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Aren’t some people going to expect that if you copy a volume envelope that you’ll get a volume envelope created on the destination track? What if it’s pan and the user expects a pan envelope and gets that assigned to volume because there was a visible volume automation lane? I feel like there needs to be some consensus on expected behavior to develop towards. I’m not sure we totally have that yet as this conversation sounds like it completely contradicts a prior, similar conversation.
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Aren’t some people going to expect that if you copy a volume envelope that you’ll get a volume envelope created on the destination track?
Yes, I would expect that.

Just like it is now when copy-pasting items with "Move envelope points with items" on.
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Aren’t some people going to expect that if you copy a volume envelope that you’ll get a volume envelope created on the destination track? What if it’s pan and the user expects a pan envelope and gets that assigned to volume because there was a visible volume automation lane? I feel like there needs to be some consensus on expected behavior to develop towards. I’m not sure we totally have that yet as this conversation sounds like it completely contradicts a prior, similar conversation.
It's not that hard. You just base it on visible vs not visible. If the envelopes are visible on the destination tracks, it copies to those tracks regardless if they are the same as the source track or not. If they happen to be the same, great, no worries. But if they are different, then it will still copy to the different parameter envelopes.

If the envelopes are not visible in the destination track, then it ONLY copies the same envelope lanes.

Either way, the user is covered, and more importantly can move where they want without being limited by the feature set.
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i think you're right that visibilty can guide what gets copied, but here's a complication. consider the following gif:

(in both cases) underlying envelopes are disabled.
track 1* AI displayed in envelope lane
track 2* AI displayed in media lane



for track 1, i demonstrate that you can have the envelope visible, but completely unpopulated: no AI, no envelope points. AS/AI blocks could be dropped into this visible, waiting space ala Klangfarben's suggestion.

track 2 shows the issue. there's no way to have the envelope lane visible, but unpopulated. when i delete the volume AI, the envelope switches to invisible, and AS/AI blocks cannot be dropped in.

i still think visibility can work as the deciding factor, as per your suggestion.
in the case of envelopes being displayed in the media lane, can REAPER just assume that the target envelope is visible and unpopulated, vs unpopulated = invisible?
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the above gif is why i've been prefacing my projects with dummy vol ai in the scratch area before project start:



this gives at least the vol AI somewhere to go.

in this (desired) workflow, pasted AI envelope destination is dictated by AI envelope source. i don't mind missing out on being able to copy an AI from 1 envelope (vol) into another (pan), because i can just lasso the relevant envelope points and paste them into the target AI.

when it works, it works very nicely - when the envelope is forced to be visible via a dummy AI. it'd be truly perfect if envelopes could be considered to be visible, but unpopulated, when displayed in the media lane.
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Aren’t some people going to expect that if you copy a volume envelope that you’ll get a volume envelope created on the destination track? What if it’s pan and the user expects a pan envelope and gets that assigned to volume because there was a visible volume automation lane? I feel like there needs to be some consensus on expected behavior to develop towards. I’m not sure we totally have that yet as this conversation sounds like it completely contradicts a prior, similar conversation.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the behavior proposed earlier in this thread. I can see why some people might want it, but for me, if I paste from one track to the other, I want and expect the envelopes to land on matching parameters in the receiving track, regardless of visibility and display order. This is what I'm used to from other software (namely Pro Tools).

I get that copying between different envelope types could be useful for certain types of work, but it seems like that works best when dealing with only one or two envelopes at a time. Note that the example gif shows only a single envelope being copied on a single track. Once you start dealing with more tracks and multiple envelopes per track, some visible, some not, I think it would become an organizational nightmare trying to keep tabs on which envelopes are going to end up where, and there'd be a high probability of screwing things up without realizing. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think it needs to be thought through a little more.

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