Old 09-19-2017, 06:35 PM   #1
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Default $60k Nagra pre amp

Fyi ... if you're in the market for a nice sounding pre amp.

Only $59,500.

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/09...-debut-at.html
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:26 AM   #2
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Fyi ... if you're in the market for a nice sounding pre amp.

Only $59,500.

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/09...-debut-at.html
So the loony HiFi world is still alive and well. Wonder if they are also selling special cables to go with it?

I remember when Nagra had a great reputation in the filed recorder market, but hadnt really taken a lot of notice since I stopped using tape.
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Every time I see shit like this I realize how sane RME pricing actually is. I'll see a couple more things like this or those "audiophile DACs" and getting a babyface pro for my crappy and sparse recordings will look like a complete bargain.
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That'd better come with some amazing reach-around.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:49 AM   #5
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:17 AM   #6
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Sometimes I wonder if they sell any of this super-expensive audiophile stuff... They are probably just trying to boost their reputation. In any case, I'm pretty sure the can't sell enough of them to make a profit, especially if you believe that 10 engineers spent 3 years on this thing.

The audiophile reviewers will proclaim it the best preamp ever.... How can you say anything bad about a $60K preamp? And the more it costs, the more the "audiophiles" will lust for it...
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Even if I had the most well tuned room built from the ground up with no expense spared with top of the line B&W or Adams speakers I don't think I'd find any way to justify that price tag for a preamp. You can get a hell of a boutique preamp for $1000! (a stretch itself) So add another $59,000 for .000000000000000000000000000000001% improvement? (assuming any improvement at all) Nope! I'll get a 3rd 5.1 speaker array first, thanks.

The audio sales world is indeed an odd thing. You get the Worst Purchase treatment on the one hand. True garbage and fake products with zero value. Tricking people into buying "soundbars" instead of speakers and the like for example. (It's a fake speaker that doesn't work even a little if you haven't seen that.) Pure snake oil. Then on the other hand you get the fake audiophile catalog fare with the $1000 USB cable described as though it carried analog signals and other bs claims or little ceramic speaker wire stands with some energy crystals and wrist magnets built into them or some shit.

The happiness and light at the end of the tunnel are the products aimed at musicians and engineers that deliver an incredible bang for the buck. A computer with an audio interface turns out to be the most friendly consumer system you can get nowadays too.
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You get what you pay for.

NOT on the hi fi market.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:14 PM   #9
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You get what you pay for.
Just as true buying a Ferrari for 80k as it is buying a Toyota Prius for 80k. You paid for it, you got it. What you paid really makes no difference. :P
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You get what you pay for.
If what you are paying for is a sense of superiority based on how much something costs, then yes. There is no guarantee of higher quality for more money. It is quite possible to get more than someone else did for less money.
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You get what you pay for.
No, not on this market.
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Old 09-21-2017, 08:58 AM   #12
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Fyi ... if you're in the market for a nice sounding pre amp.

Only $59,500.

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/09...-debut-at.html
I'll take eight of them for my Ambisonic cube.

..... Oh wait, that would buy me a HUGE Moog modular rig!
Look out Mr. Zimmer!!


The crazy thing about this kind of HiFi gear is that the music they play back on these systems was recorded in studios that use normal power cables, sanely priced interconnect cables and preamps 1/10th the price... Oh dear. Reality check anyone?

I'm a fan of Nagra field recording gear but this preamp venture baffles me a bit.
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Wanna have some fun? Next time one of your 'audiophile' friends is complimenting you on a natural dynamic awesome sounding mix, tell them about the track you used distortion on. Watch them melt down...
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:44 AM   #14
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We tend to forget there are a number a people out there who A) have more money than they can spend, B) like shiny things and C) Aren't truly concerned with sound improvements - meaning, they don't care if they can prove it and they are just fine blurring the line between real and bias - because it is enjoyable for them. Those people have a right to buy whatever they want and if that market exists, someone has the right to fill that need.

There is another mindset of people who simply cannot let go of the "cost more must sound a little better" psychological trick, and until they can actually afford it and find out themselves they'll never learn this lesson - or they promote themselves to the group I just described above if they happen to win the lottery.

Lastly, gear like this is 95% about materials used, no expense spared in build time, parts, production etc. They can have an engineer sit there doing laser guided measurements placing parts made out of the latest space age alloys - this is extremely expensive, is the reason for most of the cost, and has nothing to do with the quality of the audio - literally nothing.

If anyone remotely believes this price vs sound comparison is proportional in anyway, buy one and see how much you can actually resell it for and you'll quickly find out, it isn't worth that price.
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