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Old 07-15-2019, 04:25 AM   #1
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Default Help required with dub style reggae echoes

I not sure if this impossible to get right in Reaper
(I might be pissing into the wind but it's worth a try)
I'm attempting to replicate the echoFXs which emulates what King Tubby or the Scientist have achieved in their mixes.
I know this is not possible to do on the fly, which is creatively how they did it in the day.
What I have done, using sends is to extract say a single beat of a snare drum or other instument then using a trim volume envelope apply rea-echo via another send whilst modulating the feed back echo audio using a volume trim envelope, simultaneously re-introducing back into the mix.
It sort of works but its a clumsy and unpredictable method.
Could somebody suggest a more elegant, intuitive solution?
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:59 AM   #2
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If you have a midi controller you can do it on the fly by using midi learn.

I would recommend JS: Delay (floaty) for dub sounds.

It might be easier to simply cut and copy the sounds you want to be effected to a new track and have the delay at 100% wet.

Or, if you really want to get into it, you could use MPL's send fader script and use a midi controller to control send levels live too: https://forums.cockos.com/showthread...140&styleid=12
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:27 AM   #3
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I not sure if this impossible to get right in Reaper
(I might be pissing into the wind but it's worth a try)
I'm attempting to replicate the echoFXs which emulates what King Tubby or the Scientist have achieved in their mixes.
I know this is not possible to do on the fly, which is creatively how they did it in the day.
What I have done, using sends is to extract say a single beat of a snare drum or other instument then using a trim volume envelope apply rea-echo via another send whilst modulating the feed back echo audio using a volume trim envelope, simultaneously re-introducing back into the mix.
It sort of works but its a clumsy and unpredictable method.
Could somebody suggest a more elegant, intuitive solution?
I was working with a Reggae band for a spell. (I'm more into psychedelia myself but there's an obvious crossover with the dub style delay stuff.)
I was using the Waves H-delay. Working the speed knob responds just like a tape delay with ramping up/down. It also has a tap tempo. You can turn on a dime between them too. Ramp around with the speed knob one moment and quickly tap a tempo in the next to hit a timed echo just right on the fly. The feedback control let you go into saturation without feedback routing. Has high and lo pass eq filters and modulation too. I had 3 of the H-delay plugins up and the controls mapped to my MIDI controller on my wireless control surface.

"Not possible to do on the fly"?! Sure is!
I recorded the output of those delay fx tracks as part of the multitrack recording for every live show too. So I could fix any of my mistakes when I came home and remixed it.
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Old 07-15-2019, 12:44 PM   #4
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I was working with a Reggae band for a spell. (I'm more into psychedelia myself but there's an obvious crossover with the dub style delay stuff.)
I was using the Waves H-delay. Working the speed knob responds just like a tape delay with ramping up/down. It also has a tap tempo. You can turn on a dime between them too. Ramp around with the speed knob one moment and quickly tap a tempo in the next to hit a timed echo just right on the fly. The feedback control let you go into saturation without feedback routing. Has high and lo pass eq filters and modulation too. I had 3 of the H-delay plugins up and the controls mapped to my MIDI controller on my wireless control surface.

"Not possible to do on the fly"?! Sure is!
I recorded the output of those delay fx tracks as part of the multitrack recording for every live show too. So I could fix any of my mistakes when I came home and remixed it.
Are there any other delay plug-ins (maybe possibly open source) which could achieve the same control and flexibility?
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:47 AM   #5
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Last time I looked there was a reply post ( total of 4 posts but now 3):

Masterclass w/ Prince Fatty (J Dilla, Mad Professor): Creativity, Mixing & Dub FX Tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmEwSLuUbsI

That post has disappeared why is that?
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:16 PM   #6
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https://www.audiothing.net/effects/outer-space/
https://d16.pl/repeater
https://u-he.com/products/colourcopy/
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-dub
https://www.audiodamage.com/products/ad036-dubstation-2
This one doesn't look good, but sounds great and should take you close to dubland : https://www.kvraudio.com/product/spa...usical-entropy
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Old 07-16-2019, 04:31 PM   #7
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You could try a jsfx I wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGgYUSdWiAA

It doesn't do flutter or tape emu, but it might get you pretty close to something workable. The video doesn't show it, but it also has a tempo-sync mode now. It's open source, so you could add some tape emu or saturation yourself. If you add a new node type, I'd be interested in integrating it back too.

Reapack link here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Jo...ster/index.xml

More info here: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=222750
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Old 07-17-2019, 04:11 AM   #8
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Thank you for the suggestions - spaceship seems to have a lot of potential
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