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Old 09-21-2022, 01:40 PM   #1
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Default [Notation editor] : 9 Small issues : very very easy to fix

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Old 09-25-2022, 10:40 AM   #2
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Default Snappizicato

this symbol is apparently called snappizzicato or pizz bartok or slap (for bass guitar players). It would be nice to add at least 'slap' for the bass players.


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Old 09-25-2022, 11:43 AM   #3
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Default trill line ?

Wouldn't it rather be called something like 'whole-tone trill' instead of trill line?

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Old 09-28-2022, 11:42 AM   #4
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Default Phrase / Slur

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Why is the action indicated in red not in the 'phrase/slur' menu?
It would seem more logical to me, we speak well in both cases of legato, of legato phrasing...
make phrase/slur is drawing the arc. (it's visual)
and the action in red is the concrete realization of the legato. (it's auditory)
This would shortcut the menu under the note a bit. And to be more logical.
What do you think about that?


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Old 10-01-2022, 07:44 AM   #5
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Default Dynamic 'm'

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The musical dynamic 'm' does not exist, according to my knowledge and a quick search on the web. In any case, if it exists, it is never used.





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Old 10-01-2022, 08:32 AM   #6
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Default Action "create custom track notation" [Fixed]

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the action 'notation : create custom track notation' is written twice in the actions window, whereas it is only written once in the translation file.





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Old 10-01-2022, 08:38 AM   #7
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ISSUE 4

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Why is the action indicated in red not in the 'phrase/slur' menu?
It would seem more logical to me, we speak well in both cases of legato, of legato phrasing...
make phrase/slur is drawing the arc. (it's visual)
and the action in red is the concrete realization of the legato. (it's auditory)
This would shortcut the menu under the note a bit. And to be more logical.
What do you think about that?

I don't know about this. From the musical point of view it is related, but if you look at the notation editor as an extended MIDI editor, it makes sense to separate them.

Btw, you can customize these menus. Strangely there is a subgroup in the menu that cannot be changed, but I have just removed it and rewritten all its stuff. And in the process I made the menu tidy and nice.
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Old 10-01-2022, 08:40 AM   #8
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ISSUE 5

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The musical dynamic 'm' does not exist, according to my knowledge and a quick search on the web. In any case, if it exists, it is never used.
+1.

The single 'm' exists in the font just for the reason to be paired with 'f' or 'p'. I don't know what was the reason why they used it as a dynamic but it is non-existent in the real world.
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Old 10-01-2022, 08:50 AM   #9
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Default differentiate 'insert text notation' & 'add text ornament'

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To differentiate the two actions (that we can see in the first screenshots in actions list) in the menus, shouldn't we add the word 'ornament' as on the second screenshot in the menu 'notation note' ?




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Old 10-01-2022, 08:54 AM   #10
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I don't know about this. From the musical point of view it is related, but if you look at the notation editor as an extended MIDI editor, it makes sense to separate them.

Btw, you can customize these menus. Strangely there is a subgroup in the menu that cannot be changed, but I have just removed it and rewritten all its stuff. And in the process I made the menu tidy and nice.
I try to put myself in the beginner's shoes when I suggest this

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Old 10-01-2022, 10:51 AM   #11
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Default 'technique' has nothing to do with 'ornaments'. Remove 'ornament' in 'remove ornament

Hello,

I think instrumental playing techniques (open, snap, pluck, up bow, down bow) have nothing to do with ornaments. They should be in a separate menu or maybe with the articulation menu (screenshot 1 et 2), or separate with a line, and the word 'ornament' should be removed from 'remove ornament' because 'playing techniques' are not ornaments (screenschot 3)

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Below is a screenshot of Sibelius.

screenshot 2


screenshot 3

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Old 10-01-2022, 11:31 AM   #12
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ISSUE 8

Hello,

I think instrumental playing techniques (open, snap, pluck, up bow, down bow) are in the wrong menu because they have nothing to do with ornaments. They should be in a separate menu or maybe with the articulation menu.
It's because how they are coded internally. The main difference between "articulations" and "ornaments" from my view is that you can have 2 acticulations at a time but only one ornament at a time.
And an "articulation" is velocity or length-type mark, the rest is in ornaments.
I don't know why this is so and why it is separated like this, but it is.
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:34 AM   #13
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For all these menu related problems, I think the best fix is to make ALL the notation menu customizable. At the moment there are customizable two menus but some parts of those are strangely fixed.
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:37 AM   #14
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Default ISSUE 5 : default clef

ISSUE 5

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I find that this menu is not intuitive or logical.
To decide the starting clef of a piece of music, you have to go to "track setting" and "default clef", and to then choose the key signature and tempo of this piece of music, you have to go further down in "measure settings". It's not very logical.
You can also use the "change clef" menu to change the "default clef". it is complicated to understand the logic for a beginner for example.

The only difference between the "defaut clef" and "change clef" menu is "treble+bass".

Maybe it would be good to remove the "default clef" menu and make a single "clef" or "choose clef" menu?. And when right-clicking on a song barline (except for the very beginning of the song), "treble+bass" might or might not gray out.

This would make it possible to have the clef, time signature, key signature menus one below the other and have a single "clef" menu. It would be easier to understand.

Maybe I'm talking bullshit but I try


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Old 10-01-2022, 11:39 AM   #15
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It's because how they are coded internally. The main difference between "articulations" and "ornaments" from my view is that you can have 2 acticulations at a time but only one ornament at a time.
And an "articulation" is velocity or length-type mark, the rest is in ornaments.
I don't know why this is so and why it is separated like this, but it is.
I did not quite understand what you said. but in any case on sibelius these are articulations or a separate "technical" menu.
and I personally understand better that a pizzicato for example is a kind of articulation.

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Old 10-01-2022, 11:42 AM   #16
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For all these menu related problems, I think the best fix is to make ALL the notation menu customizable. At the moment there are customizable two menus but some parts of those are strangely fixed.
yeah but you have to think about beginners because for the moment the notation editor is not very understandable from the feedback I get.

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Old 10-01-2022, 12:23 PM   #17
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I did not quite understand what you said. but in any case on sibelius these are articulations or a separate "technical" menu.
and I personally understand better that a pizzicato for example is a kind of articulation.
It is because how the devs programmed them. In the program, in the code, they are separated into two categories - "articulations" and "ornaments". That is the reason why they are put into those menus like that. Not because of their musical function.

Yeah, I agree that for newcomers and people not having a programming background, this is difficult, as is the whole Reaper.
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Old 10-01-2022, 12:38 PM   #18
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It is because how the devs programmed them. In the program, in the code, they are separated into two categories - "articulations" and "ornaments". That is the reason why they are put into those menus like that. Not because of their musical function.

Yeah, I agree that for newcomers and people not having a programming background, this is difficult, as is the whole Reaper.
what do you think of issue 9?
there is some programming logic behind it too?

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what do you think of issue 9?
there is some programming logic behind it too?
It's not well designed.
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:04 PM   #20
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Default "Make phrase"/slur & "slur" : two similar actions?

hello,

I think the two actions underlined in red are the same.


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Old 10-01-2022, 02:38 PM   #21
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For all these menu related problems, I think the best fix is to make ALL the notation menu customizable. At the moment there are customizable two menus but some parts of those are strangely fixed.
when you say 'all customizable menus'...mmh, I only see three in all. And two are customizable.
That's right?

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when you say 'all customizable menus'...mmh, I only see three in all. And two are customizable.
That's right?
Yeah, I've counted them and there are 3 menus in the notation editor. Two of them are customizable, but not fully.
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It's because how they are coded internally. The main difference between "articulations" and "ornaments" from my view is that you can have 2 acticulations at a time but only one ornament at a time.
And an "articulation" is velocity or length-type mark, the rest is in ornaments.
I don't know why this is so and why it is separated like this, but it is.
*Everything* in any software happens because of how it's coded. Bugs happens because how it's coded. If it's coded wrong, it needs to be fixed. Saying that something happens in a computer program because of how it's coded is a truism.

The difference between articulation and ornament is that ornaments tell you *what* to play whereas articulation tells you *how* to play. Ornaments are embellishments, articulations define how to play a single pitch.
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Old 12-17-2022, 04:39 AM   #24
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ISSUE 5

Hello,

the action 'notation : create custom track notation' is written twice in the actions window, whereas it is only written once in the translation file.
Thanks, one of these actions is actually "Notation: Create custom note notation..." but it is mislabeled, fixing.
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Thanks, one of these actions is actually "Notation: Create custom note notation..." but it is mislabeled, fixing.
thks

I modified issue named "differentiate 'insert text notation' & 'add text ornament'". I hadn't understood the difference between the two actions, perhaps because they are named the same in the menus.
but I still don't know if I'm right

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