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Old 01-10-2015, 10:22 AM   #1
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v5.0pre5 - January 10 2015

+ API: added GetFXEnvelope()
+ Track grouping: VCA slave track group setting
# API: added DelteEnvelopePointRange
# API: added GetOS()
# Fixed setting of non-timesignature tempo markers
# MIDI editor: note-off velocities can be edited in a separate lane
# MIDI editor: show tempo/time signature markers in the ruler
# MIDI: stop hanging notes when muting MIDI media items during playback
# Notation editor: context menu to change clefs
# Notation editor: fixed bad font sizing on OSX
# Notation editor: improved ties, erasing notes, undo
# Notation editor: preview notes while editing via the project virtual keyboard
# Routing: creating or changing a sidechain send does not send MIDI
# VST3: various fixes relating to preset changes
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:23 AM   #2
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Here's a little VCA demo gif I made:

http://1014.org/shiz/shup/vca.gif

A pondering: should we make the VCA master a separate group flag from the volume master? As it is now a Volume master applies to both volume slaves (linking/ganging faders), and VCA slaves (applying volume but independent faders). Might make sense to make VCA master a separate option though, I'm thinking now.

Edit: we could also add "VCA Slave (pre-fx)" too I suppose, anybody really want that?

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VCA!?!?!?!
Arion get your a** over here!!!!!
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v5 isn't going to have anything noteworthy
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v5 isn't going to have anything noteworthy
you don't have anything noteworthy.
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you don't have anything noteworthy.
Well, yes. But my statement is sarcasm
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Looks like your crabby whining got you some changes too
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Can we have all not worthy discussion in its own/some other thread please? Schwing...
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Big +1 for VCA Slave (pre-fx) here.
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# MIDI editor: note-off velocities can be edited in a separate lane
# MIDI editor: show tempo/time signature markers in the ruler
And where's ED ?

oops...here already
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Looks like your crabby whining got you some changes too
As it should have been in the first place!


There's a CC lane called "Fnord" in the list, now. Oops!


Some more notices about release velocity:

* It's more consistent to MIDI spec to call it either Release Velocity (abbr. Rel Velocity), or Note Off velocity (both Note On and Note Off have a 7-bit parameter that is the velocity of that event).

* Don't you think it makes more sense to put the Release velocity stick in the CC lane at the END of the note, not at the beginning? Since logically, release velocity happens at the end of the note, not at the beginning!



As for tempo/timesig markers in ME ruler - thank you! Can you make it so that the colors of these markers are aliased from the arrange view? Currently it's using "Time signature lane text" color for the marker, that doesn't make a lot of sense...
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VCAs!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 01-10-2015, 11:04 AM   #15
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Moan moan moan MIDI MIDI MIDI MIDI
And it happens
Moan moan moan VCA VCA VCA VCA
And it happens
Right that's it, it's on now
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Do i get Automation items yet ?
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Hahahaha

Edit*
Jokes aside, can we get some sort of new theme item VCA_amount or such ?
Just some way to see the level change as it where
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make a few threads about it and whine like a baby, you'll get it.

I am really happy about the current changes, that is certainly one I could get behind. Great job guys!



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Notation and VCA. holy crap.
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Edit: we could also add "VCA Slave (pre-fx)" too I suppose, anybody really want that?
Sounds like that could be useful for a master set of "trims" for people using console emulation plugins etc. I'm sure it would come in useful!

Also, this from pre 4;
+ FX: enable parameter learn menu for rec-input, monitoring, and per-take FX

Looks like the precursor to having the item fx's parameters open to automation on the actual items (like we have for volume, pitch, pan and mute).

I hope so, that would be amazing!
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Moan moan moan MIDI MIDI MIDI MIDI
And it happens
Moan moan moan VCA VCA VCA VCA
And it happens
Right that's it, it's on now
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Do i get Automation items yet ?
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Automation items 'Random moan about usefulness'
Hahahaha

Edit*
Jokes aside, can we get some sort of new theme item VCA_amount or such ?
Just some way to see the level change as it where

I'm with you for the Automation items!
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we need empty items to be able to access plugin envelopes from the TRACK methinks. Or from somewhere else, to have automation envelopes.
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+ API: added GetFXEnvelope()
THANK YOU !!!
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+ Track grouping: VCA slave track group setting
Wow cool !

For now, there seems VCA master have a lot more latency that real volume fader, and some zipper noise in real time.
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Could we have flying VCA ghost faders ?
You know it looks cool and stuff...

http://pro.magix.com/uploads/MAGIX_P...-fader-int.png

(j/k, I'll be quiet now)
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Do i get Automation items yet ?
Which "type" are talking here guys?

1.Reason style ones where all track automation has adjustable "container items" around it or..

or

2. item fx parameters "showable" on the actual item in the same way we can for volume, pan, pitch and mute?

or...BOTH!

I'd love both personally but if the 2nd option envelopes can be set to adjust with the item than it might be an easier halfway house for now especially since it looks like the pre4 addition below looks to be leaning that way

+ FX: enable parameter learn menu for rec-input, monitoring, and per-take FX
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:38 AM   #24
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VCA's. Danfeurth is somewhere happy.

Lemme get my bid in...

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Which "type" are talking here guys?

1.Reason style ones where all track automation has adjustable "container items" around it or..

or

2. item fx parameters "showable" on the actual item in the same way we can for volume, pan, pitch and mute?

or...BOTH!

I'd love both personally but if the 2nd option envelopes can be set to adjust with the item than it might be an easier halfway house for now especially since it looks like the pre4 addition below looks to be leaning that way

+ FX: enable parameter learn menu for rec-input, monitoring, and per-take FX
'Automation Item/Clips'
An item that contains automation, can be copy pasted and looped stretched ala any other item, and said automation can be sent to effect/instrument parameters (Normally on any track)

'Item FX' automation
That is automation of FX/Instruments that are loaded as item FX

'Automation Items/Clips' is what i personally want

Anymore discussion need to be taken to a new thread elsewhere though, all joking aside about continually mentioning, lets play fair, this is a pre thread
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Anymore discussion need to be taken to a new thread elsewhere though, all joking aside about continually mentioning, lets play fair, this is a pre thread
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should we make the VCA master a separate group flag from the volume master?
I think that would be good.

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we could also add "VCA Slave (pre-fx)" too I suppose, anybody really want that?
I think that might be good too but my brain starts to ache when the conversation turns to VCA, so just make it as flexible as you can and I'll catch up eventually.
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Can we have some indicator for the VCA master (flag,icon,text,color ...) now it looks like standard track?Also is it possible to add some actions regarding VCA so we can make macro "Make VCA Master for selected tracks", or add additional native context menu for that?
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VCA working nicely here. I tested all the gain/trim with tones and meters and afaict, all is on point.

There has to ultimately be a way to consolidate any VCA gain/trim, like if the VCA fader is deleted and/or a VCA slave is removed from the group, to (optionally) push the current or relative level and/or automation to the (what was) slave track.

So far so good. Good stuff.

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Can we have some indicator for the VCA master (flag,icon,text,color ...) now it looks like standard track?Also is it possible to add some actions regarding VCA so we can make macro "Make VCA Master for selected tracks", or add additional native context menu for that?
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Hmm also btw I'm going to change some VCA implementations for the next pre, in such a way that will likely break existing VCA-using projects, so definitely don't do anything important with the VCA groups just yet!
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# VST3: various fixes relating to preset changes
Probably not directly related, but Arturia VOX Continental V VST3 still doesn't recall properly, or rather it doesn't save its data properly, see RPPs I have just added to my original post in the R5 bug reports topic.
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Can we have some indicator for the VCA master (flag,icon,text,color ...) now it looks like standard track?Also is it possible to add some actions regarding VCA so we can make macro "Make VCA Master for selected tracks", or add additional native context menu for that?
I do think a VCA master should at a minimum maybe default to a fader cap color or something for ID purposes, that would be cool, if the fader cap automatically went red or blue or something just for quickly ID'ing a VCA master from a regular group master.
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Thumbs up for the Midi Editor changes. Thanks.

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what is this?
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:19 PM   #36
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Fix for a bug in previous pre when a timesig was created even if you just changed tempo and didn't enter any timesig changes.
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# MIDI editor: note-off velocities can be edited in a separate lane
When drawing new notes they seem to get a default Note Off velocity value of 0. Maybe a default value of 64 would make more sense? Then again, I believe R4 also uses the default of 0, so I dunno...
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0 should be default for note off. That means immediate release (like note on velocity 127, which means immediate hit/maximum force).
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One "maybe a wee bit premature" workflow suggestion. I'd 'reduce' the workflow for this early in the pre and just put it on a context menu.

Select X number of tracks, right click and "Create VCA Fader", and have that just happen with the next available unused group, without opening the group matrix or grouping dialog or anything, and create the new VCA Master underneath the last selected track maybe.
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Blessed are You King of the Workflow Master of the VCAs...

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