Old 08-19-2019, 05:13 PM   #1
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I just got hired to sing a cover of "this is the greatest show" with Hugh Jackman. Everything was good and well until I realized I have to do all the vocal harmonies from scratch.

O.O

After kicking myself in the butt quite a few times for saying "yes", I now have to record said harmonies, and it's an insane amount of work. The customer agreed that I could use harmonizer plugs, which I'm definitely going to use.

My plan is to sing a track, route it to.. say.. 2-3 more tracks that have reapitch set on different tunings, and freeze the result, because computer resources.

I'll do that a couple times in different voices and see where it gets me.

Is there a better way to do this? Some magic VST? Keep in mind I can't afford paid plugins, unless they're really, really cheap.

I take pride in building my own harmonies, so I probably won't use that plugin much after this project.

Help me?

Please?
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:19 PM   #2
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Sing each part 2 times. One for left channel and one for right. Harmonizers plugins sound blah. Hi pass at 250hz and light boost at 10k. No or just a bit of plate reverb with upside down eq after it....abbey road reverb.

SING IT!!! its worth it
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:33 PM   #3
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Sing each part 2 times. One for left channel and one for right. Harmonizers plugins sound blah. Hi pass at 250hz and light boost at 10k. No or just a bit of plate reverb with upside down eq after it....abbey road reverb.

SING IT!!! its worth it
I'm a 100 percent with you man, but have you heard the song? There's like 30 people singing in a choir. 30 extremely talented people.

Even with a plugin, i'm probably going to have to record at least 6 vocal tracks, if not more, to sound remotely convincing. The voices generated by the plug will be in the background for that "choir" effect.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:34 PM   #4
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Not all, but some of those are just gang vocals FWIW.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:40 PM   #5
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Not all, but some of those are just gang vocals FWIW.
Thanks!, that's good to know
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iZotope NECTAR 3 is what you are wanting

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grab the free "Pitchproof" harmonizer and try different ones till you hear the ones you like, print them and then use them as a guide track to resing to and then you'll be your own harmonies and still be human
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grab the free "Pitchproof" harmonizer and try different ones till you hear the ones you like, print them and then use them as a guide track to resing to and then you'll be your own harmonies and still be human
Creating harmonies isn't the problem.. I've done that for years. It's the sheer amount of singing that's daunting...

That chorus group has like 30 people. I just wasn't ready to sing that many different voices, even if many of them are singing the same note.

I just want to "fake" a choir by having a few fake tracks in the background or the real ones...
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I just got hired to sing a cover of "this is the greatest show" with Hugh Jackman.
Wolverine sings?? Didn't know that.

Congratulations and good luck.
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I completely understand the "dilemma". I am a singer myself and could easily do what it takes in similar situations. But after years of Mutt Lange-wannabe-ing I've totally lost interest in have to record 100 voices just to get that "football choir" (which we, for lack of better words, call it in Sweden).

So, today, I use Waves/Abbey Road Reel ADT to reduce the take count at least one third. "Experts" will say that such plugins are not the same as the real thing, which of course they aren't, and that they (the "experts") can actually hear the difference in a final production (which of course the can't).

Although, it's not the 80's and 90's anymore, so I don't have to use Waves Reel ADT for "football choir" anymore. But I do use it for double tracking vocals.
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No idea if it is still available for purchase and pretty sure it's 32bit only.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:31 AM   #12
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Are you concerned about all the female voices? It's almost a a duet of sorts. But it seems to me like you might have your answer in your own sig... lay down your base tracks and fiverr up all the help you need. Or something similar... local schools, bulletin boards, craigslist... I'm sure you don't want to spend much but people might be willing to do it for experience. Good luck!
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Creating harmonies isn't the problem.. I've done that for years. It's the sheer amount of singing that's daunting...

That chorus group has like 30 people. I just wasn't ready to sing that many different voices, even if many of them are singing the same note.

I just want to "fake" a choir by having a few fake tracks in the background or the real ones...
Maybe you can try Waves Ultrapitch which do up to 6 voices as I recall(part of Gold bundle even). This to get wordings, and also do some formant changes on that, position in panorama etc.

Then maybe back up that work with certain harmonies - with ahhh, mmmmmh and such sounds on top from such libraries of and cover some "fake" stuff. I could sound massive if done right.

I recently bought Spitfire Audio Eric Whitacre choir - and that EVO Grid stuff is really interesting what you can do, apart from the regular plugin and it's articulations.

Just a couple of ways.
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Are you concerned about all the female voices? It's almost a a duet of sorts. But it seems to me like you might have your answer in your own sig... lay down your base tracks and fiverr up all the help you need. Or something similar... local schools, bulletin boards, craigslist... I'm sure you don't want to spend much but people might be willing to do it for experience. Good luck!
yeah, I really was, but he customer only wants male voices...

I mean.. I play live with a woman every single week, and she's got quite an amazing voice. To top it off, we're really used to each other, and our harmonies are really, really on point.

She'd be more than happy to hop in, as she's done it before.. But no.

Customer is king.

I also like the ADT idea.. I have a good one somewhere in my folder//
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No idea if it is still available for purchase and pretty sure it's 32bit only.
Thanks, I'll take a look
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:18 AM   #16
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I really don't understand why you don't simply sing it 100 times if that's what it takes...!

You're a singer, correct? How long could it take to really nail it... two days?

And, you'll know better next time.

What is the problem?
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That was so epic.
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Assuming you know all the parts well, this trick I developed in the '90s lets you record a large number of harmony parts quickly, with rather stunning stereo imaging.

1 - Set up a mid-side mic pair in the center of your recording space.

2 - Loop the section or entire song with a few extra seconds at the end, and record arm your mic pair.

3 - Start recording. For each loop, stand at a different spot on the floor and sing one of the parts. Continue for however many parts you want to capture.

4 - When finished, explode the takes into separate tracks. No need to do any panning; moving around the room while recording did it all for you. Put all these inside a folder track and put a mid-side decoder plug in the folder effects.

Quick & clean...
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Assuming you know all the parts well, this trick I developed in the '90s lets you record a large number of harmony parts quickly, with rather stunning stereo imaging.

1 - Set up a mid-side mic pair in the center of your recording space.

2 - Loop the section or entire song with a few extra seconds at the end, and record arm your mic pair.

3 - Start recording. For each loop, stand at a different spot on the floor and sing one of the parts. Continue for however many parts you want to capture.

4 - When finished, explode the takes into separate tracks. No need to do any panning; moving around the room while recording did it all for you. Put all these inside a folder track and put a mid-side decoder plug in the folder effects.

Quick & clean...
That's totally brilliant!

I'm so going to try it out
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Let me know how it works out for you
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A For each loop, stand at a different spot .
I suppose using a virtual room for this (e.g. the free "Space360) plugin should decently work for background vocals.

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That's totally brilliant!

I'm so going to try it out
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