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09-18-2013, 09:15 PM
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LDC mics are a fucking DISASTER outside an acoustically hermetically sealed room...thats got zero ambience.I had three and I sold them all on after a day.
Gotta be cardioid in a boudoir recording studio.
Singing surrounded by blankets and shit is unnatural..all it does it make shit boxy.
You GOTTA have air around you.
I know this.Take my word on it.
Air..does not mean flutter echoes coming back on you..thats just as bad.
Singing surrounded by blankets..is shite.At the same time ..you don't want a plain wall behind you..cos that'll reflect back in the direction you're addressing the mic.But you want some reflective surfaces in the room.To keep it lively.
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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
dont be too obsessed with background noise
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My background noise is excessive. Noise reduction will remove parts I need. My mic should have a dead spot behind it, it's just tremendously sensitive. I think that's related to getting a crisp high end.
The blankets I think are decent. It sounds dead, but I like that, because then I have full control over the reverb in mixing. My only issue is that I fear the small space might affect the tone itself, in the same sort of way singing too close might do.
It is the lesser of my evils though no matter what.
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09-19-2013, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
They probably don't have a cold; they have everything else.
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You don't have to be Felix Unger to want to spray a pop filter with Lysol before you put your face close to it. That's almost as potentially nasty as eating those peanuts out of the bar bowl.
You know, a guy (in a bar, half drunk) goes and drains his snake or worse, and doesn't wash, and then grabs a handful of peanuts, (or adjusts the pop filter) and here you come in the bar eating the peanuts. I never understood why anyone ever eats those. Ewww...
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09-19-2013, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
If you meant the 4050 you got that right. I have one from 98 or so. I love that mic but it just doesn't seem to work 90% of the time I try it on vocals but it always works wonderfully in other situations.
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Right. It's accurate as hell so it doesn't work for lead vocals when you want color or tone imparted. Especially not up close, and especially not in digital which itself is accurate and toneless. On the other hand, that starkness and clarity might be favorable for good contrast if using it for backing vox.
It works great on other stuff though, where accuracy is a plus... like acoustic guitar, or drums, given the various patterns. It would probably sound better on vox in a good room in omni... from a bit of a distance. After all, our ears are omni.
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09-19-2013, 07:32 AM
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For recording vocals easily, everywhere, without having to think about mic placement, room acoustics, etc
The best option is (IMHO)
this -> http://www.shure.com/americas/produc...cal-microphone
with this little toy behind -> http://tritonaudio.com/index.php?opt...d=17&Itemid=33
Almost 500 bucks
Condenser microphone are great but you always have to be worry about placement (if you're recording yourself, it's sometimes hard to be always be in the same spot).
With a SM7b, you just put the mike where you want and sing into just like you were on stage. And it's sounds good
A lot of people think that SM7b are only working on rock n roll male screaming voice. It's not true
here's a song I produced with 4 different vocal styles
https://soundcloud.com/reno-mellow/d...-samara-stay-1
- Female gentle popish vocal
- Male clean nasal "punky" vocals
- Male "fry screaming"
- Male black metal high pitch scream
All recorded with SM7b and (again IMHO) it's working (I mixed it easily)
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09-19-2013, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Reno.thestraws
For recording vocals easily, everywhere, without having to think about mic placement, room acoustics, etc
The best option is (IMHO)
this -> http://www.shure.com/americas/produc...cal-microphone
with this little toy behind -> http://tritonaudio.com/index.php?opt...d=17&Itemid=33
Almost 500 bucks
Condenser microphone are great but you always have to be worry about placement (if you're recording yourself, it's sometimes hard to be always be in the same spot).
With a SM7b, you just put the mike where you want and sing into just like you were on stage. And it's sounds good
A lot of people think that SM7b are only working on rock n roll male screaming voice. It's not true
here's a song I produced with 4 different vocal styles
https://soundcloud.com/reno-mellow/d...-samara-stay-1
- Female gentle popish vocal
- Male clean nasal "punky" vocals
- Male "fry screaming"
- Male black metal high pitch scream
All recorded with SM7b and (again IMHO) it's working (I mixed it easily)
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interesting. I was also thinking about this BETA 87A from another thread.
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09-19-2013, 07:45 AM
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for some reason I have only used the sm7b for voiceover/interview/podcast stuff. didn't really like it on rock vocals. But I have had some new preamps lately, I should try it again.
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09-19-2013, 07:45 AM
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I don't have any experience with the beta87a, so I can't say anything about it
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09-19-2013, 07:47 AM
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I use the beta87A live, but it's weird... It needs a LOT of gain (then again I also use it for female vocals live), whereas the beta58A is way hotter.
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09-19-2013, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
I use the beta87A live, but it's weird... It needs a LOT of gain (then again I also use it for female vocals live), whereas the beta58A is way hotter.
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SM7b had the same "problem", it needs a lot of gain, so if it's connect to a weak preamp, you have to push it hard to reach proper gain stage
that's where the fethead triton comes into play. It add 20db to your mic and add a little "openess" to the sound. You can plug your mike in any preamp without having to push it hard.
The good news, is that you can plug this triton on other microphones if you need to.
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09-19-2013, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
I use the beta87A live, but it's weird... It needs a LOT of gain (then again I also use it for female vocals live), whereas the beta58A is way hotter.
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The original reason I was considering the 87A was because in another thread someone suggested it would be good for getting more volume and clarity out of my vocals in a live situation without producing feedback. Then, I thought it might also be good to get a good sort of condenser sound, with more osrt of the sensitivity of a dynamic microphone.
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09-19-2013, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
I use the beta87A live, but it's weird... It needs a LOT of gain (then again I also use it for female vocals live), whereas the beta58A is way hotter.
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I find the beta58 to be too hot really.Feeds back very easily off the monitors.
Especially when I'm giving it the full Roger Daltry mic swing and what not
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09-19-2013, 10:09 AM
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Here is the difference between great gear and marginal gear:
You can possibly make something ok with marginal gear, but it's easier with great gear.
Whenever I've had the luxury to use "great" gear, it's always easier *to make a decision*. The window is wider, there are more acceptable choices.
The hard part in dealing with cheap gear is making the philosophical decision of "this is the best sound this item is going to make", instead of "I want this item to sound like something it's probably not able to do".
Clarity is what's missing on cheap gear, and I think people tend to want to make up for it with high eq, or they want to start out with a bright signal because it strikes the ear in a way that tricks it temporarily into thinking "hey, I hear "sparkle" at 10k!". Only because you cranked 12 db at 10k. Hard to resist that "push over the limit" mentality on cheap gear (at least for me...), when it's maybe capable of doing something artistically fine with a different approach.
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09-19-2013, 10:15 AM
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Addendum:
It's hard to have a real "discussion" with people that use an alias, IMO. The bane of the internet circa 21st century.
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09-19-2013, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chip mcdonald
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It's hard to have a real "discussion" with people that use an alias, IMO. The bane of the internet circa 21st century.
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Why ?
Surely you are not saying that somebodies opinion is less valid because you do not have their full name ?
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09-19-2013, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chip mcdonald
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It's hard to have a real "discussion" with people that use an alias, IMO. The bane of the internet circa 21st century.
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I'm very easy to find but nevertheless the net is a bit predatory to blame anyone for not posting PII. Same reason I don't walk down the street with my name/phone/address on my T-Shirt. I'd have to agree with gpunk, it should have nothing to do with the validity of a real discussion.
I can usually and easily deduce the validity or lack of without knowing someone's name.
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09-19-2013, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chip mcdonald
Addendum:
It's hard to have a real "discussion" with people that use an alias, IMO. The bane of the internet circa 21st century.
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Click on my signature and you can see exactly who I am.
Although I don't understand why using a nickname invalidates discussion.
There are a great many reasons to not be seen all over the net day and night with your real handle.
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09-19-2013, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chip mcdonald
Addendum:
It's hard to have a real "discussion" with people that use an alias, IMO. The bane of the internet circa 21st century.
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Hi chip-
I have to echo g_punk, et. al. What possible difference does it make?
Thanks-
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09-19-2013, 03:12 PM
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Don't get it either. Not sure what precipitated that comment.,
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09-19-2013, 03:17 PM
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Me either, and yeah, that's my real first name.
The only time it semi-annoys me is when the proverbial "guitarboy99" claims to have "extensively used" whatever software he doesn't like to bash it in the middle of a discussion. . Most people know I've always used Cubase in my studio previously, so I can't go around claiming Logic failed in the middle of a session and cost me $1000 in billings so it's crap and only Sonar is da bomb.
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09-19-2013, 03:21 PM
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well that has nothing to do with real names or not...
This certainly doesn't have to be MY real name even if it sounds like one....
I question the 2006 version of me for using my real name... like everywhere. But, not too much I can do, and I kind of appreciate seeing the difference from then and now.
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09-19-2013, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
Me either, and yeah, that's my real first name.
The only time it semi-annoys me is when the proverbial "guitarboy99" claims to have "extensively used" whatever software he doesn't like to bash it in the middle of a discussion. . Most people know I've always used Cubase in my studio previously, so I can't go around claiming Logic failed in the middle of a session and cost me $1000 in billings so it's crap and only Sonar is da bomb.
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Dude I'm standing right here
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09-19-2013, 03:25 PM
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I think I'll re-join as Buck Naked.
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09-19-2013, 03:53 PM
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Lawrence..CUBASE?!
Oh the humanity
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09-19-2013, 03:57 PM
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Lol. Way back when I actually made good money doing this thing that many fewer people seem to want to pay for because they all have a daw now.
I must admit, Reaper was largely responsible for my second hard look at using it, and the subsequent divorce..
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09-19-2013, 04:41 PM
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Holy crap. I've always dealt with Sweetwater, have an account there, and I typically sort gear low to high when just browsing around the website. Sorting - mono - mic pres high to low shows this.... from $3k down, for a single channel.
http://www.sweetwater.com/c662--Sing...eamps/high2low
Dual channel, $6600 and down. Multi channel, $8k and down... more than my current car is worth.
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09-19-2013, 04:41 PM
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I stole the ham from your sandwich Lawrence.
Its tasty..nom nom
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09-19-2013, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
Holy crap. I've always dealt with Sweetwater, have an account there, and I typically sort gear low to high when just browsing around the website. Sorting - mono - mic pres high to low shows this.... from $3k down, for a single channel.
http://www.sweetwater.com/c662--Sing...eamps/high2low
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Here we go!
Droolfest 2013!
I have been lusting after one of these this last 10 months..ever since I had to sell me Gap pre73 to pay off the dentist..bah
http://audient.com/products/mico-dua...e-preamplifier
But at the min..I'm trying to figure out how to reord a drum kit in my sitting room ..with no equipment.So thats taking precedent in my fantasies
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09-19-2013, 04:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
Holy crap. I've always dealt with Sweetwater, have an account there, and I typically sort gear low to high when just browsing around the website. Sorting - mono - mic pres high to low shows this.... from $3k down, for a single channel.
http://www.sweetwater.com/c662--Sing...eamps/high2low
Dual channel, $6600 and down. Multi channel, $8k and down... more than my current car is worth.
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I was checking that Chandler Germanium the other day but I'm a fan of A-Designs as well. I'd love to have a lunchbox full of them.
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09-19-2013, 05:02 PM
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Well out of my range.
I usually - when actually looking to buy - tap the "between $500-750" link to not tempt my credit line too much. There's some good stuff in the middle.
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09-19-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
Well out of my range.
I usually - when actually looking to buy - tap the "between $500-750" link to not tempt my credit line too much. There's some good stuff in the middle.
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IIRC the A-Designs 5 Series stuff is in that range unless something has changed.
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09-19-2013, 05:23 PM
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Oh, yeah. I was talking about the Chandler. Sorry for the confusion.
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09-19-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic
Lawrence..CUBASE?!
Oh the humanity
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Cubase stinks! I've used it extensively! It failed in the middle of a session and cost me $1000 in billings so it's crap and only Reaper is da bomb.
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09-19-2013, 05:37 PM
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The comment about real names doesn't irk me, but Mrs Shoe is pissed
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09-19-2013, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sleepyshoe
The comment about real names doesn't irk me, but Mrs Shoe is pissed
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Mrs Shoe.
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09-19-2013, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
Dual channel, $6600 and down. Multi channel, $8k and down... more than my current car is worth.
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more than the sum total of all my cars worth lol
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09-20-2013, 05:06 PM
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This thread got so weird..... I think I'm gonna OD on Ibuprofen now.......
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09-22-2013, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gpunk_w
Why ?
Surely you are not saying that somebodies opinion is less valid because you do not have their full name ?
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Actually, that's exactly what I'm saying. An anonymous person's opinion is as anonymous and inconsequential as their moniker. You can say and claim anything, without any concern for validation.
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09-22-2013, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
I'm very easy to find but nevertheless the net is a bit predatory to blame anyone for not posting PII.
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I'm not blaming anyone, it's everyone's prerogative, of course. But an anonymous person can't expect to be taken on face value in the same way as a person whose identity is in the open.
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09-22-2013, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chip mcdonald
But an anonymous person can't expect to be taken on face value in the same way as a person whose identity is in the open.
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They certainly can, anyone who needs identity to respect the other in a conversation has their own personal issue. I respect you and not due to your name, just exposing it for what it really is. Actions speak louder than words AND names.
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09-22-2013, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic
Click on my signature and you can see exactly who I am.
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Do you go around clicking every last person's name online before you read their posts? I don't.
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Although I don't understand why using a nickname invalidates discussion.
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I don't either. I didn't say that, you've attached what someone else wrote to what you think I did.
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There are a great many reasons to not be seen all over the net day and night with your real handle.
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I agree, I didn't say otherwise. But for all I know an anonymous person can be a raving loon, a paid member of a political party, or an employee of a software company shilling their wares.
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