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Old 03-08-2009, 09:48 PM   #1
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North Korea has threatened war if there is any attempt to shoot down their rocket satellite which is not a nuclear weapon. It's a comms satellite. For telephones. Only America has ever used nuclear bombs. Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Hundreds of thousands killed, and still contaminated with radiation. It blows over here to UK and all over Europe when the wind is from the right direction. Kills millions of wildlife. Causes all kinds of disability in people.
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North Korea is launching a satellite, therefore Hiroshima had a lot of negative effects? That's your point?

Also, I find it hard to believe that whatever remaining fallout is still there blows over to the UK. Source please.
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maybe I haven't read the newspaper properly, but what's exactly your point, Bebop? Like Lokasenna I can shoot several holes in your message but perhaps I'm just not level with you.
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North Korea has threatened war if there is any attempt to shoot down their rocket satellite which is not a nuclear weapon. It's a comms satellite. For telephones. Only America has ever used nuclear bombs. Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Hundreds of thousands killed, and still contaminated with radiation. It blows over here to UK and all over Europe when the wind is from the right direction. Kills millions of wildlife. Causes all kinds of disability in people.
Yeah, I'm sure Nagasaki and Hiroshima (huge tragedies in and of themselves) is causing more fallout in Europe than Chernobyl (or the other 4 Chernobyl sized meltdowns that are believed to have occurred in the former Soviet Union around that time which were never reported). Do you even hear yourself? Or do you simply repeat your anti-American mantras regardless of how well they apply to your actual "arguments" (on the rare chance you propose anything as lucid as an argument)?

ETA: Wait, you're from the UK?? And you're complaining about imperialism?

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Yeah, I'm sure Nagasaki and Hiroshima (huge tragedies in and of themselves) is causing more fallout in Europe than Chernobyl (or the other 4 Chernobyl sized meltdowns that are believed to have occurred in the former Soviet Union around that time which were never reported). Do you even hear yourself? Or do you simply repeat your anti-American mantras regardless of how well they apply to your actual "arguments" (on the rare chance you propose anything as lucid as an argument)?

ETA: Wait, you're from the UK?? And you're complaining about imperialism?

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Here is the new rule - Anything negative that ever happens is America's fault.

Your girlfriend dumped you - America's fault.
Your electric frying pan isn't working anymore - America's fault.
Your coffee is a little bitter - America's fault.
Your windshield wiper flew off while you were speeding - America's fault.

Give me a break...

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Here is the new rule - Anything negative that ever happens is America's fault.

Your girlfriend dumped you - America's fault.
Your electric frying pan isn't working anymore - America's fault.
Your coffee is a little bitter - America's fault.
Your windshield wiper flew off while you were speeding - America's fault.

Give me a break...

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Ha ha. You're so 'trigger happy' over there. :-)
Yeah, I know, we Europeans are kind of slow or something... :-)

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Ha ha. You're so 'trigger happy' over there. :-)
Yeah, I know, we Europeans are kind of slow or something... :-)

/Jens, SWEDISH, and proud if it. So what?
Well, Jens - You know us American's and our triggers... We're all lunatics over here.
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Well, Jens - You know us American's and our triggers... We're all lunatics over here.
Seriously. You're not. Not all of you. ;-)

I will still like you even if the world is a harsh place sometimes.

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Guys, I think we're all missing the real point of this thread. Canada's Prime Minister is known for wearing really dorky sweater-vests, and it's clearly America's fault.

Edit: This makes a little more sense now. Emphasis on "a little".

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...nkorea.launch/

The US claims that North Korea are test-launching a nuclear missile under cover of a comm satellite. NK says it'll be war if the US shoots it down, blah blah blah, the usual.

I *think* Bebop was trying to point out the hypocrisy of America telling another country "U CANT HAS NUCULARZ". Fair enough, except for one small thing - North Korea is a rogue state. Does Not Place Nicely With Others. I don't think anyone with their head attached to their body can honestly tell me North Korea should be allowed to have nuclear weapons, anymore than Iran.
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When you see someone wearing a bad sweater vest - America's fault.
North Korea and Iran are rogue states - America's fault.
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When you see someone wearing a bad sweater vest - America's fault.
North Korea and Iran are rogue states - America's fault.
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Here is the new rule - Anything negative that ever happens is America's fault.

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Is this why I don't have any hashbrowns??
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Is this why I don't have any hashbrowns??
HAHAHAH!!

But... Hashbrowns are not negative - they are the food of the gods. And, yes - we could use some in this thread!

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THEY THOOK OUR jObS

I fucking LOVE the fact that I (Yes larrygates) not any other dorky internet guy is the inventor of the FAMED FORUM HASHBROWNS.

I fucking love that.

Pay homage North South East and West Korea. Along with all other Rogue and Allied Nations!

Damn it's good to be Alive.

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HAHAHAH!!

But... Hashbrowns are not negative - they are the food of the gods. And, yes - we could use some in this thread!

But not having any hashbrowns is pretty negative though, and it's all the 'Muricans fault.
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Comedy

America's method to make light of ANY situation. No matter HOW important.

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We've raped this post btw.
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We've raped this post btw.
When your post gets raped - America's fault.

uh, wait, it was america's fault this time...

CARRY ON!
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No, I'm not complaining about imperialism. I'm complaining about mass murder with nuclear bombs. Any sane person would. And I am not anti American. I am anti killing people.
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But you only rant and rave and start thread after thread condemning their actions if the violence is perpetrated by:
1. Americans
2. Israelis

A typical position. So I bring you:

Anatomy of a Bleeding Heart Political Post

*[violence]
$perp = [
American, then goto 2;
Israeli, then goto 2;
Arab, then goto 1;
Irish, then goto 1;
British, then goto 1;
Rwandan, then goto 1;
Chinese, then goto 1;
Baltic, then goto 1;
Russian, then goto 1;
Indian, then goto 1;
Other, if [friendly with America] or [friendly with Israel], then goto 2;
else goto 1;
]

[1] Never start a single thread condemning the violence of the "good guys";
Portray them historically as martyrs;
Claim any act of aggression is really just "freedom fighting";
Portray the citizenship as dedicated, hardworking revolutionaries bent on peaceful resolution of their problems (if they could just keep the man off their backs)
If [evidence doesn't support claims]
Then [be relieved that nobody pays any attention to the evidence, just quote the BBC a lot]

[2] Start threads every morning about what scumbags they are;
Dredge up 50 year old examples to be attributed to modern regimes;
Claim any act of defense is actually an act of aggression;
Portray the citizenship as indifferent, overfed tyrants who not only approve of their governments' military actions but actually support them by kung fu fighting innocent civilians in foreign conflicts;
If [logic fails]
Then [use rhetoric and stir emotion]
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No, I'm not complaining about imperialism. I'm complaining about mass murder with nuclear bombs. Any sane person would. And I am not anti American. I am anti killing people.
Fair enough, except you're 60 years late to the party. What's the point in complaining about Hiroshima NOW? You might as well start a thread about what douchebags the Germans are for taking over Europe.
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There's nothing wrong about complaining about imperialism. North American, Chinese or even Danish (Greenland you know). ;-)

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But you only rant and rave and start thread after thread condemning their actions if the violence is perpetrated by:
1. Americans
2. Israelis

A typical position. So I bring you:

Anatomy of a Bleeding Heart Political Post

*[violence]
$perp = [
American, then goto 2;
Israeli, then goto 2;
Arab, then goto 1;
Irish, then goto 1;
British, then goto 1;
Rwandan, then goto 1;
Chinese, then goto 1;
Baltic, then goto 1;
Russian, then goto 1;
Indian, then goto 1;
Other, if [friendly with America] or [friendly with Israel], then goto 2;
else goto 1;
]

[1] Never start a single thread condemning the violence of the "good guys";
Portray them historically as martyrs;
Claim any act of aggression is really just "freedom fighting";
Portray the citizenship as dedicated, hardworking revolutionaries bent on peaceful resolution of their problems (if they could just keep the man off their backs)
If [evidence doesn't support claims]
Then [be relieved that nobody pays any attention to the evidence, just quote the BBC a lot]

[2] Start threads every morning about what scumbags they are;
Dredge up 50 year old examples to be attributed to modern regimes;
Claim any act of defense is actually an act of aggression;
Portray the citizenship as indifferent, overfed tyrants who not only approve of their governments' military actions but actually support them by kung fu fighting innocent civilians in foreign conflicts;
If [logic fails]
Then [use rhetoric and stir emotion]
Brilliant! And so true. I too get tired of reading thread after thread of his negative, instigating, anti American/Israeli posts. Of course, I keep on reading them...
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Yea but....
Whats it got to do with Baseball??
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I *think* Bebop was trying to point out the hypocrisy of America telling another country "U CANT HAS NUCULARZ". Fair enough, except for one small thing - North Korea is a rogue state. Does Not Place Nicely With Others. I don't think anyone with their head attached to their body can honestly tell me North Korea should be allowed to have nuclear weapons, anymore than Iran.
Any look at a serious History book of the last 6 decades (a look at the website of someone like Noam chomsky woukld be a good start) would show you that the United states of America is the most dangerous, agressive, imperialist, intrusive, war making, plots organizing and terrible dictator supporting state of the whole world - and so, the very last one on this planet which should have the nuclear bomb. But it does not seem to disturb you, does it. But on the contrary, Iran and Nk, Oh MY GOD, NO ! :-).

You should take more distance with the propagandist manipulations of the time you live in which takes you like (and make you become) cattle beat to control. It's not because official History - the one written by the winners and powerful ones, rememember, the ones that says that ten people in their cavern planned and made 9/11 - has not yet shown all this to you as "evil, yes you can despise and criticize and follow us when when spread war there" that it's not.

Talking about weapons, did you take a look at the non-conventionnal ones used against the civilian population of Gaza recently ? Did you hear about - and see the pictures of - those wounds still working on adults and children that doctors simply do not know how to treat because they don't know the type of weapons that did them ? But the problem is the one ABC told you, NK and Iran, yes it's true you heard it on TV and TV is truth, don't you ?

It would be a good thing if your compassion was not THAT selective, THAT manipulated and did not go THAT obeying way in the direction you've been told by mass medias which control our passions and orchestrate our indignations in the direction they want us to support the politics of their owners.

Talking about weapons and Iran (oh, on that point, you should try and search for the REAL translation of the words of Ahmadinejad when he supposedly (but in fact never) talked about erasing Israel from the map of the world), hum, tell me, doesn't this argument of mass destruction weapons remind you of something, I don't know, something like words which have led to a war killing one million innocent people for sordid stupid motherfucking stinky oil and imperialist greedy fucking reasons ?

You seem to be the kind of guy who likes to be fucked over and over before reacting, don't you ? Pity, because each time you do not react it entails one million dead people, - you know, death, this thing that makes people behind alive before and after, well, not anymore, remember, the thing that made you cry when it crushed 3000 of our own western guys in twin towers but which sees you remain indifferent when it kills one million of others in Africa (yes I know it's different their are Arabs, therefore half human, almost like those iranians that your words seem to show that it would not particularily disturb you to see them having the same destiny as the iraqis people).

You people really make me cry sometimes. You will have deserved it, this fucking 3rd world war and new world order that the leaders you support and defend against the "barbarians" while buying their shit and eating their lies. Don't come and cry when pain will crush and strike your own family or self. You will have done it by yourself.
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But you only rant and rave and start thread after thread condemning their actions if the violence is perpetrated by:
1. Americans
2. Israelis

A typical position. So I bring you:

Anatomy of a Bleeding Heart Political Post

*[violence]
$perp = [
American, then goto 2;
Israeli, then goto 2;
Arab, then goto 1;
Irish, then goto 1;
British, then goto 1;
Rwandan, then goto 1;
Chinese, then goto 1;
Baltic, then goto 1;
Russian, then goto 1;
Indian, then goto 1;
Other, if [friendly with America] or [friendly with Israel], then goto 2;
else goto 1;
]

[1] Never start a single thread condemning the violence of the "good guys";
Portray them historically as martyrs;
Claim any act of aggression is really just "freedom fighting";
Portray the citizenship as dedicated, hardworking revolutionaries bent on peaceful resolution of their problems (if they could just keep the man off their backs)
If [evidence doesn't support claims]
Then [be relieved that nobody pays any attention to the evidence, just quote the BBC a lot]

[2] Start threads every morning about what scumbags they are;
Dredge up 50 year old examples to be attributed to modern regimes;
Claim any act of defense is actually an act of aggression;
Portray the citizenship as indifferent, overfed tyrants who not only approve of their governments' military actions but actually support them by kung fu fighting innocent civilians in foreign conflicts;
If [logic fails]
Then [use rhetoric and stir emotion]
Very very close to the truth. Did you just think about replacing 1 by 2 and 2 by one ? Yes, like this, it's better. thanks for your almost perfect contribution to the revelation of real things and for your almost very clear-seeign analysis at a small detail close.
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I forgot to mention in my former message : also replace BBC by NBC, of course.
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Ah yes, enter our resident tin-foil hat. Now this thread is truly complete.
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Ah yes, enter our resident tin-foil hat. Now this thread is truly complete.
When your thread is invaded by tin foil hat wearers - America's fault.
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When your thread is invaded by tin foil hat wearers - America's fault.
I wish all would be Sweden's fault. What a laugh.

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When your thread is invaded by tin foil hat wearers - America's fault.
When people living near american rivers get intoxicated with the vapors due to the pollution of the river, loose their mental abilities and don't stop repeating stupid things believing they're utterly funny - America's fault.

Make a lawsuit, you will make money :-).
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When people living near american rivers get intoxicated with the vapors due to the pollution of the river, loose their mental abilities and don't stop repeating stupid things believing they're utterly funny - America's fault.

Make a lawsuit, you will make money :-).
Duhhh... what's a lawsuit?? All deez vapors is making me so stoopid...
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Ah come on Mr Critter. Please don't go there.

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Any look at a serious History book.....
Them's an awful lot of assumptions about me and what I think. Perhaps you should read what I actually said instead of superimposing what you'd like to think I wrote for the purposes of your argument.

I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons. Not Iran, not North Korea, not the US. But the US already has them, and is the most powerful nation in the world. Sure, they're the only country that has ever used a nuke in battle, but what does that really mean? If they hadn't, someone else eventually would've. Maybe the Germans, maybe the Soviets, who knows? One of the biggest reasons why no country has used them SINCE is because Hiroshima/Nagasaki scared the pants off of everyone, and nobody's had the balls to try it again.

Iran and North Korea, on the other hand, are unpredictable. They're also mostly closed to anyone from the outside wanting to look and see how things are going. North Korea suffered a horrible famine in the 90s, tons of people dead, but they wouldn't even let the rest of the world in to help out because it would mean sacrificing some of the complete control the government has there. Iran is a pretty hard-line Muslim state, the government of which openly feels threatened by America and Israel. We know they have the capability to at least start working nuclear weapons - reactors to farm up the ingredients, etc - and Ahmadinejad doesn't seem to want any UN inspectors coming in to prove he isn't. Only a fool would think that Iran + Nukes isn't a threat. As opposed to the US, where we can see the stupid shit going on and publicly complain about it, Iran and North Korea are largely hidden. We can't see what they're doing, and they really don't like us pesky Westerners. That makes them a liability, and nuclear weapons will just make the problem big enough to the threaten the whole world. The US is also still at war with North Korea, if I'm not mistaken, which would give them permission (by our standards) to shoot down whatever they want.

As for non-conventional weapons being used in Gaza, yes, I did know that. I think it's horrible, and human beings clearly have too much time on their hands that gets spent dreaming up new ways to kill each other. Civilian casualties are particularly horrific, but you can't put all of the blame on Israel. No, they shouldn't be using those weapons. But Hamas shouldn't be hiding behind their own people, tossing rockets over the border, sticking their tongues out at Israel and daring them to shoot. How is this at all relevant to the current topic, and why would I have bothered to bring it up?

9-11: Stop me if you've heard this before - "conspiracy theory". I've read through so many pages about 9-11 that I think you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a scenario I'm unfamiliar with. I've seen all of the big arguments for why Al'Qaeda clearly couldn't have done it, and I can tell you that, in my opinion, all of those arguments are a load of shit. The official explanation DOES make sense. I know my way around a physics textbook, and I find nothing implausible about what happened. But again, what does this have to do with North Korea and nuclear weapons?

Oh, and one other thing that might help you in the future: I'm not a fucking American. I didn't bawl my eyes out in front of the TV on 9-11, and I don't think it changed anything about the world we live in. America grew up a little and joined the real world. It sucks that it happened, but no more than it sucks when the same thing happens anywhere else.

I will thank you in advance for not making any more broad, unfounded assumptions about the person you're arguing with or the arguments they will make.
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hmmnn how about this one?

Anti American = you should drop using reaper and any vst for that matter any software developed by the americans, no wait! disengage your internet connection (DARPA you know - google it if you don't) tell Justin and co to stuff it and then move back to analogue music (don't dare use american instruments) and then you can hop on your soap box. And don't dare watch anything that comes out from Hollywood either.

Personally not overly fond of Americana or American Imperialist policies. But I have at least one American friend (though he is a traveller so quite a-typical as an American). And my Aunt and Uncle live in Florida. So I can't condemn Americans across the board. But they did give us personal computers, rock music and flight. And of course the possibility to be on this forum to slag them off.

So I take the stance of being "anti-radical" be it radical right of radical left wing. For that matter FCUK the fundamentalists or any sect and most importantly FCUK the merchant bankers who have stuffed the world economy at the moment!

BTW my apologies for any subliminal fashion marketing I have accidentally included here in my efforts to limit profanities in my post.
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Anti American = you should drop using reaper and any vst for that matter any software developed by the americans, no wait! disengage your internet connection (DARPA you know - google it if you don't) tell Justin and co to stuff it and then move back to analogue music (don't dare use american instruments) and then you can hop on your soap box. And don't dare watch anything that comes out from Hollywood either.
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MP3 -> German (Fraunhofer)
Cubase -> Was German, old versions are OK
Logic -> Was German, old versions are OK
Framus / Höfner -> German guitars/basses
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Native Instruments -> VSTi German

So even Anti-Americanists "could" continue.
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MP3 -> German (Fraunhofer)
Cubase -> Was German, old versions are OK
Logic -> Was German, old versions are OK
Framus / Höfner -> German guitars/basses
Dr. Böhm -> German organs
Native Instruments -> VSTi German

So even Anti-Americanists "could" continue.
Ableton Live -> German. Or Berlin, that's not Germany.
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MP3 -> German (Fraunhofer)
Cubase -> Was German, old versions are OK
Logic -> Was German, old versions are OK
Framus / Höfner -> German guitars/basses
Dr. Böhm -> German organs
Native Instruments -> VSTi German

So even Anti-Americanists "could" continue.
hmmmn think we could persuade Justin and co to emigrate? or at least get them to claim being Canadians?
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Hi,
The North Korea is very beautiful country where peoples are very simple and hard worker and these country people can not compromise with any one and perform all activities well without feeling shame to any one.
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