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10-15-2019, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesPeters
The 3700X works well for me so far. My audio device is the Realtek ALC1220 on the mainboard, which actually has very good quality. Its latency probably won't get as low as an RME device, but I can set it for around 6 ms round-trip latency while pushing the CPU to about 50% (with plugins) and it won't do xruns. If I set the round-trip latency to around 10-11 ms I can push the CPU to around 90% without xruns.
I've also disabled "Core performance boost" in the BIOS at the moment. From what I take it, that means it doesn't try to throttle the CPU frequency past its stated normal upper value of 3.6 GHz. I had done this because the stock cooler made a lot of noise suddenly if the CPU had demand placed on it, and it was annoying hearing the fan whir up/down repeatedly. I could enable this feature again but honestly I find the available power to be far beyond what I need even without that feature enabled. I'm still able to run a test project with a bunch of tracks with WAV files running a total of 160 ReaPitch (in default settings) without having xruns. If you're curious about trying something like this, set it up for 10 ReaPitch instances on a single track with a WAV that is at the sample rate of the project (so that aspect isn't affecting the results), then copy/paste the track and see when your project becomes unresponsive. Watch Reaper's performance meter for CPU % and xruns.
Also I'm using Linux, so that might affect things a bit. I noticed when I first switched to Linux from Windows 7, I got a more stable system that I could push significantly harder in Reaper.
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Nice one man, too many variables to take a specific comparison (Linux, onboard sound etc.) but good to hear it's been good for you.
What I'll do is see how much money I've got at the time I'm going to build it and see if I can go for the top dog model or if it's more sensible to go for the 3700X which would still be a massive upgrade.
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10-15-2019, 06:35 PM
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#82
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I edited my post to mention the algorithm for ReaPitch that I used for the test.
Yeah there are so many factors involved, but you can run a test like that very quickly to get an idea what your current system can do. It won't tell you how it'll work with a number of Kontakt instances running with the MIDI editor open at a given latency (etc.), but you'll have something to compare to on your own.
I'd say if you're not running lots of CPU-heavy plugins, you probably won't notice the CPU has a limit.
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11-26-2019, 04:53 PM
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#83
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Finally got everything ordered for my new build, super excited after a 15 month wait.
I did a lot of research and basically went all out, but it might be a starting point for someone else.
Places you could definitely save are the CPU, video card, and SSD.
The case, MOBO, and fan are the things most DAW optimized for low noise. The video card also has a 0dB silent mode, and is always pretty quiet.
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Final Specs :
-AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core 3.5 GHz Socket AM4
-GIGABYTE X570 AORUS MASTER AMD Ryzen 3000 PCIe 4.0 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.2 AMD X570 ATX Motherboard
-G.SKILL Trident Z Neo (For AMD Ryzen) Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin RGB DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory
-Samsung 970 EVO Plus Series - 2Tb PCIe NVMe - M.2 Internal SSD
-Seagate Exos Enterprise Capacity 3.5'' HDD 10TB (Helium) 7200 RPM
-PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
-EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G5, 80 Plus Gold 850W
-Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C Black Brushed Aluminum/Steel ATX Silent Modular Mid Tower Computer Case
-Fractal Design Connect D1 FD-ACC-CON-D1-M1 Elegant Front I/O Upgrade Solution for Define R6
- Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans
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12-02-2019, 01:14 PM
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#84
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Beast. Let us know how it goes
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12-02-2019, 09:37 PM
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#85
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Originally Posted by PitchSlap
Finally got everything ordered for my new build, super excited after a 15 month wait.
I did a lot of research and basically went all out, but it might be a starting point for someone else.
Places you could definitely save are the CPU, video card, and SSD.
The case, MOBO, and fan are the things most DAW optimized for low noise. The video card also has a 0dB silent mode, and is always pretty quiet.
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I'm fairly noob to daw building, so cheers for the helpful parts template mate.
What's the advantage of the Define R6 + Connect DI combo, vs the R6 USB-C case?
Did you just prefer the look/price of the standard R6 against the tempered glass version, or is it quieter?
Is there a much cheaper graphics card that you'd recommend that's also quiet/silent?
Maybe you could upload some pics when you're finished, daw porn is always appreciated here.
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12-04-2019, 03:27 AM
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I haven't read most of the thread but... tested in 5.9x and 6.0
I have moved from an 8700K build to a 3900X build and performance is remarkably better. I was slightly worried about the latency concerns and how Ryzen regulates clocks to regulate thermals etc, plus the very GPU style boost system-- however, it is absolutely beastly and I am seeing a very solid distribution across all cores. Even Kontakt is playing nice with multithreading maxed out to the 16 core setting.
I have not built an AMD rig since Athlon XP, but I am really pleased.
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(No real difference between stock, boost and auto OC for DAW use. Manual O.C is not worth it on this platform so far IMO). I was pushing my 8700K to 4.9.
Aorus X570 Elite Wifi
Ryzen 3900X
64 GB 3200 RAM
RX580 8GB GPU
2x M.2, three SSDs etc
(Using RME hardware mostly)
A+
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12-04-2019, 04:02 AM
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#87
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Originally Posted by southpaw
I have moved from an 8700K build to a 3900X build and performance is remarkably better. I was slightly worried about the latency concerns and how Ryzen regulates clocks to regulate thermals etc, plus the very GPU style boost system-- however, it is absolutely beastly and I am seeing a very solid distribution across all cores. Even Kontakt is playing nice with multithreading maxed out to the 16 core setting.
I have not built an AMD rig since Athlon XP, but I am really pleased.
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(No real difference between stock, boost and auto OC for DAW use. Manual O.C is not worth it on this platform so far IMO). I was pushing my 8700K to 4.9.
Aorus X570 Elite Wifi
Ryzen 3900X
64 GB 3200 RAM
RX580 8GB GPU
2x M.2, three SSDs etc
(Using RME hardware mostly)
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I've just ordered a 3900x setup too, sadly they are sold out everywhere, so I'm lucky if I get mine before christmas. I only got 16gb ram, so I might have to upgrade that, but I hope I'll get by with only 16 for now.
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01-10-2020, 12:14 AM
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#88
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So far my experience is that the difference between my old i7-500HQ and 3950x isn't as much as I'd hoped.
On multi-core benchmarks the new computer leaves the old one totally in the dust, but in projects single-core performance quickly becomes a bottleneck.
In my own tests the Cinebench R20 multi-core score is about 8-9x higher on the new system, but looking at Cinebench R15 single-core it's only about 1.6 higher (no R15 single-core score for the old one listed to compare).
It might be useful to start a new dedicated thread, but it would be great to crowdsource some times to optimize multi-core performance as I think project organization (folder tracks, sends, master etc.) can make a big difference.
By making sure processing can be more evenly spread across multiple threads it could prevent having a single thread cause the audio to crap out while 60% or more of the CPU is isn't utilized...
Any tips would be appreciated.
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01-10-2020, 06:48 AM
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#89
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Originally Posted by PitchSlap
So far my experience is that the difference between my old i7-500HQ and 3950x isn't as much as I'd hoped.
On multi-core benchmarks the new computer leaves the old one totally in the dust, but in projects single-core performance quickly becomes a bottleneck.
In my own tests the Cinebench R20 multi-core score is about 8-9x higher on the new system, but looking at Cinebench R15 single-core it's only about 1.6 higher (no R15 single-core score for the old one listed to compare).
It might be useful to start a new dedicated thread, but it would be great to crowdsource some times to optimize multi-core performance as I think project organization (folder tracks, sends, master etc.) can make a big difference.
By making sure processing can be more evenly spread across multiple threads it could prevent having a single thread cause the audio to crap out while 60% or more of the CPU is isn't utilized...
Any tips would be appreciated.
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It does seem that the real world benefits of high core count cpu's are not there (yet?). You'd probably be able to kill the daw benchmark test with your cpu and run hundreds of tracks with SGA 1566's, but in practice, where you use fx's on buses and groups plus some fx on the master, the single core performance becomes the bottleneck. I remember Justin saying that instead of sharing fx, it might be better to for example have a reverb on each track instead of using a bus that receives from several tracks, but for me, that really wouldn't be a solution.
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01-12-2020, 06:34 PM
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#90
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I often use verbs on individual tracks, but a also at least one send verb. As it's not essential for mixing I'll just mute the send until rendering.
I'd love to find the best threads where it's explained what happens with sends, folders etc in terms of multi-threading.
If I remember correctly the most natural way of working (for me at least) is the worst way for multi-threading.
With large projects I still usually have things in 4-5 folder tracks but it seems it would be better to use more folder tracks with less tracks in them and keep FX off the main ones and use them purely for organization.
There's probably some Reaper settings that could be tweaked for higher core counts too.
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01-13-2020, 01:40 PM
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#91
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Originally Posted by PitchSlap
I often use verbs on individual tracks, but a also at least one send verb. As it's not essential for mixing I'll just mute the send until rendering.
I'd love to find the best threads where it's explained what happens with sends, folders etc in terms of multi-threading.
If I remember correctly the most natural way of working (for me at least) is the worst way for multi-threading.
With large projects I still usually have things in 4-5 folder tracks but it seems it would be better to use more folder tracks with less tracks in them and keep FX off the main ones and use them purely for organization.
There's probably some Reaper settings that could be tweaked for higher core counts too.
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There are settings in preferences > buffer that you could experiment with, allow live fx multiprocessing for instance. If you don't use folders and sends, are you able to come close to 100% CPU usage? Personally I'm probably going to wait with building a new PC until we have more info on this. I'm thinking I'll wait until N4 server is released to see if it's maybe better for me to have a slave PC to run all Acqua's and Nebula's I use on channels as I'm already able to run the plugins that I have on my master folder and groups in realtime. I did ask on gearslutz about these high core count cpu's and we can expect to get some comparative benchmarks soon. Hopefully you'll be able to get the performance you expect from your new PC
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01-13-2020, 05:54 PM
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#92
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Originally Posted by mplay
If you don't use folders and sends, are you able to come close to 100% CPU usage?
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I'm going to wait until I get a new (RME) soundcard soon before doing much thorough testing.
Things have actually been a bit better since I posted, but one confusing thing is that projects that play fine in real-time with plenty of CPU to spare are only rendering around 1x, or a bit more. I would've thought rendering would be super fast.
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01-13-2020, 06:18 PM
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#93
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Originally Posted by PitchSlap
I'm going to wait until I get a new (RME) soundcard soon before doing much thorough testing.
Things have actually been a bit better since I posted, but one confusing thing is that projects that play fine in real-time with plenty of CPU to spare are only rendering around 1x, or a bit more. I would've thought rendering would be super fast.
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I assume i7 500HQ is a typo? I'm curious as to exactly what CPU you're comparing to the 3950x...
... Right now I'm leaning toward the 3900x this year, hopefully in the next couple of months, and at any rate I assume that anything in this neighborhood will be a substantial upgrade from my current 2nd gen i7 2600.
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01-13-2020, 09:44 PM
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#94
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Originally Posted by Quasar
I assume i7 500HQ is a typo? I'm curious as to exactly what CPU you're comparing to the 3950x...
... Right now I'm leaning toward the 3900x this year, hopefully in the next couple of months, and at any rate I assume that anything in this neighborhood will be a substantial upgrade from my current 2nd gen i7 2600.
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Yes, it's a 5700HQ quad-core laptop I got at the start of 2016.
The great thing about AMD is that multiple generations of CPU are compatible with the same platform, but I think this years Zen 3 will be the last for AM4.
Cinebench R20 scores:
i7 2600
SC: 263
MC: 1865
3900x
SC: 521
MC: 7178
3950x
SC: 531
MC: 9148
So just looking at single core it should be about 2x as fast, but that doesn't consider other improvements like faster RAM, HD.
One advantage of high core count even if single core ends up being a bottleneck is you can use a lot more intensive plugins on individual tracks.
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01-14-2020, 09:46 PM
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#95
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Yeah, hang on to that laptop. I believe that chip is related to the 5775c that I have. Broadwell, right? The broadwell topology is oddly great for audio, as it has a large l2 cache, and iirc the disk has a more direct line to the processor than in subsequent chip designs. My 5775c leaves my 7700k in the dust, despite running cooler and using slower ram. I got an 8700 a while back that I'm just finished the build on, which I'm hoping will be better.
But the computer to replace the broadwell for live work is probably going to be a ryzen. I'll see how things continue to shake out....
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02-28-2020, 10:32 PM
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#96
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PitchSlap
Finally got everything ordered for my new build, super excited after a 15 month wait.
I did a lot of research and basically went all out, but it might be a starting point for someone else.
Places you could definitely save are the CPU, video card, and SSD.
The case, MOBO, and fan are the things most DAW optimized for low noise. The video card also has a 0dB silent mode, and is always pretty quiet.
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This looks spectacular, and I'm copying your list as a reference, thanks. I will likely go cheaper with the 3900x and a much less monstrous GPU... On my last build I used a Lian Li case, but there are so many raves about Fractal Design I'm going to have to web-search and see what the fuss is about.
Happy assembly, and let us know how it works out!
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03-02-2020, 09:30 AM
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I bought a cheap Orchestral library (Nucleus Lite Edition). It was 99 dollars...didn't work on an old HP-110.
I had to spend a little more money ( 1358,90€)...I hope it will not crackle anymore when rolling the modulation wheel
(I'm really stupid for spending so much money just for a hobby )
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03-02-2020, 01:48 PM
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#98
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I don't guess I ever updated this. I built a Ryzen 7 system with 32gb of ram and nvme drives. Works just fine. I guess when i first made this post, there was still a little bit of question regarding Ryzen performance for DAW, but it handles Reaper and DAvinci Resolve just fine.
I went with Ryzen 7 2700 on a Gigabyte B450M DS3H motherboard with (2) x G.Skill Ripjaw DDR4-3200 16GB sticks o'ram. I added an Intel 660P series M.2-2280 nvme ssd, and used another SSD that I had in my previous build. I reused my case and video card (Radeon RX480, i think), and a PSU I have just installed last year. Clean installed W10 Pro and clean installed Reaper. I didn't import my previous config, I wanted to build from scratch and only change things as needed.
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03-02-2020, 03:23 PM
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#99
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Probably the best bang for the buck you can get at this moment, I’m sure you will get a lot of use from it. Personally I would have shelved out a little extra for a better motherboard in case you want to upgrade to a ryzen 9 in the future
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03-02-2020, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mplay
Personally I would have shelved out a little extra for a better motherboard in case you want to upgrade to a ryzen 9 in the future
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According to gigabyte the B450M DS3H supports Ryzen 9 3900X and 3950X,
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherbo...rt#support-cpu
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03-03-2020, 04:36 AM
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Going on the information that's around on the vrm quality of different AM4 boards, I wouldn't be very comfortable putting a Ryzen 9 on that board. I'm leaning towards an Asus X570 board myself. Check out buildzoid video to see what I mean.
https://youtu.be/ti38JS8RuPU
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...4960&sle=trueq
Last edited by mplay; 03-03-2020 at 04:44 AM.
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03-07-2020, 04:35 AM
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#102
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This thread has so much noise... Scanpro Audio has done thorough testing and comparison of Ryzen architecture and the short of it is: Good for DSP, bad for low latency VSTi (synths and samplers).
https://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/0...-magic-number/
And it all is explained by the architecture, Intel's ring bus is way better and cache latencies are much lower and more predictable -> current audio software and OS schedulers have been designed with a thought that cache latencies are predictable and small -> ryzen requires new schedulers and redesign of software for good low latency performance.
So it depends what you do. For me, Intel all the way until AMD gets the cache latencies between CCX's in check.
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03-07-2020, 04:41 AM
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#103
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03-07-2020, 07:42 AM
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#104
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Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mplay
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03-07-2020, 10:33 AM
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#105
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Thanks for the updated Scan Pro Audio article. I have a 3950x being built as we speak and just contacted the company to see if they can swap the 3200mhz RAM out for 3600mhz per the suggestion of that article. May be too late, but hopefully not.
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03-11-2020, 10:59 AM
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#106
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Ryzen 9 and reaper
I built a Workstation around a AMD 3900x, 32Gb RAM, SSD M.2 etc... Clarett 4PreUSB USB-C.
All core seem used and most projects use very little CPU, compare to video handling.
Overall Reaper works fine. Rendering in a blink of an eye what ever plug-ins load! However I had occasionnel issue of sound crackling when resizing the interface as the same time as playback, and when I record soundtracks as the same time as Midi track, despite the power of this machine. Problems I don't have with Bitwig for exemple. It could be linked to the chipset driver, interface programmation .? Still investigating. On the other hand Live doesn't want to work on this machine. It look their sound engine doesn't like AMD.
Which made me spend more time with Reaper, this powerful beast.
Music seems to be particularly delicate to handle. More noticeable on a new architecture, but things are getting better with their regular updates.
Update:
It seems related to how Windows manages so many cores, as the latest update fixed most of my issue.
update: since march windows update, all problems disappeared !
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03-11-2020, 12:19 PM
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#107
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(I'm really stupid for spending so much money just for a hobby )
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Building high-end computers is NOT an expensive hobby. Repairing classic cars, antique firearms collecting, golf... Those are expensive hobbies. (This logic seems to work with wife lady)
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