Old 01-30-2016, 07:03 PM   #1
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Yea, you wish.

Seriously though, why hasn't something like this been implemented in software? Listening to demos, the Kemper thing sounds much better than any other amp simulation out there. After listening to alot of demos, I do notice a very samey, kind of flat sound to the various profiles (maybe it has to do with the reverb slathered onto every demo), but it still sounds way over and above anything else available (Edit: except Axe-Fx2).

Is the Kemper box using a ton of dsp horsepower? Anyone know how it actually works?
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:39 PM   #2
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http://www.guitar-muse.com/kemper-pr...-amp-2949-2949

This gives a little insight but its a pretty closely guarded secret. I think fractals axefx2 dsps are technically more powerful, but who cares when they sound great

I dont think they are clearly above and beyond everything though. The fractals sound awesome, and some of the helix and amplifire demos are pretty strong.
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http://www.guitar-muse.com/kemper-pr...-amp-2949-2949

This gives a little insight but its a pretty closely guarded secret. I think fractals axefx2 dsps are technically more powerful, but who cares when they sound great

I dont think they are clearly above and beyond everything though. The fractals sound awesome, and some of the helix and amplifire demos are pretty strong.
I haven't heard demos of that other gear that sounds anything like classic amps without a bunch of fx doo doo. Got any links to anything like that? From what I have heard, if you want something that gets very close to dry amp sounds, Kemper has no competition.
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I haven't heard demos of that other gear that sounds anything like classic amps without a bunch of fx doo doo. Got any links to anything like that? From what I have heard, if you want something that gets very close to dry amp sounds, Kemper has no competition.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fywAjyCxk

This demos a few amps with no fx


If you think the kemper is better, its all good. Im not going to try and change your mind. I have a friend that has both units. I was lucky enough to be able to test out an axefx. To my ear they are both great units.
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http://youtu.be/7sWIP4SA6YQ

Some fx some pretty dry on this demo
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http://youtu.be/7sWIP4SA6YQ

Some fx some pretty dry on this demo
Compare that to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ewmUlOuKB4

Which one sounds more like an amp to you?

The Fractal clip sounds really hard and kind of harsh and scratchy to me (I'm listening on headphones).

Edit: Still listening and comparing. The Fractal sounds very artifial to me, like I would expext from a software amp sim.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fywAjyCxk

This demos a few amps with no fx


If you think the kemper is better, its all good. Im not going to try and change your mind. I have a friend that has both units. I was lucky enough to be able to test out an axefx. To my ear they are both great units.
No offense meant to you for providing the link, but bah... typical high gain, and clean with slathered on effects. It seems that 99% of people who demo gear are into metal, and half of those are into hair metal sounds with cheesy digital chorus, delay, and reverb slathered onto everything. Apologies for the rant.
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The only thing close to an actual software implementation is using Bias Amp Professional. It allows you to do a tone match of a live or recorded signal. You have to pre-setup an amp similar first though, then it dials everything in. From what I've heard so far, it's been pretty close to the original tones it was matching.

I opted for the Bias F Professional though since it has pretty much all the same amps plus all kinds of effects.

Here's some examples: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+will+it+match
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The only thing close to an actual software implementation is using Bias Amp Professional. It allows you to do a tone match of a live or recorded signal. You have to pre-setup an amp similar first though, then it dials everything in. From what I've heard so far, it's been pretty close to the original tones it was matching.

I opted for the Bias F Professional though since it has pretty much all the same amps plus all kinds of effects.

Here's some examples: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+will+it+match
This sounds a lot like the tone match in the axefx. I think kempers doing something different in profiling. I doubt well see them do a software version. They have something pretty awesome going and it would get cracked and copied pretty quick if it was in software form. Just my opinion anyway
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They have something pretty awesome going and it would get cracked and copied pretty quick if it was in software form. Just my opinion anyway
If a plugin version was $200, where the hardware box is $2000, I think they would make more money by way of volume, even with some amount of piracy. Maybe the hardware platform also servers to discourage reverse engineering, though.
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If a plugin version was $200, where the hardware box is $2000, I think they would make more money by way of volume, even with some amount of piracy.
Perhaps. But if sales of a plugin version aren't what they'd hoped, and it hurts the sales of the hardware units (effectively competing with themselves), it could be worse than not taking advantage of having a plugin version. Plus: then they'd have to support multiple possible computer DAW configurations/OSes instead of just supporting their own hardware. I can understand their reluctance to make a plugin version.

As for the Axe-FX sounding "more fake" than the Kemper, I don't hear that. Unfortunately someone can pull up a clip of a Kemper they like with a certain profile/player/etc. and say "yeah but what about this" and since there are no similar Axe-FX clips (currently anyway), it's assumed the Axe-FX "can't sound as good" in that way. Like any amp clip, the sound depends on the entire signal chain (and the player). The signal chain in the Axe-FX consists of the various blocks including the speaker sim block, which is a make-or-break sort of thing. Without the speaker sim you prefer, you'd never know if the amp sim is going to make you happy. With the Kemper, the profiles (generally) include the speaker that was used at the time the profile was made. Someone "got that sound in the room", liked it, tested it before profiling it, and then profiled it (to the extent the profile mimics the sound). If someone chooses to use "Amp A" with "Cab B" in the Axe-FX because of his preferences, whereas you might've preferred "Cab A", you won't hear something quite like what you want.

Both units are very good at emulating the sound of a recorded amp. It's more about what you do with either of them, and if you're happy with the workflow of either device. The same can be said for some plugins, including some free plugins. With the right setup, you can use free plugins and get sound every bit as good as anything from a hardware amp sim. You may not want to work that way though, for various reasons.
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Yea, you wish.

Seriously though, why hasn't something like this been implemented in software?

Is the Kemper box using a ton of dsp horsepower? Anyone know how it actually works?
The profiling process is patented, so there's that, and I think they've said that a software version isn't in the cards specifically because of piracy.

In other news, I <3 my Kemper so, so much. Can't even remember the last time I plugged my 6505 in.
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The profiling process is patented, so there's that, and I think they've said that a software version isn't in the cards specifically because of piracy.

In other news, I <3 my Kemper so, so much. Can't even remember the last time I plugged my 6505 in.
Lucky man. So I take it that you're using it for metal? If I were playing metal, I think I could be ok with something from the software amp sim pool, but definitely not for clean to crunchy sounds.
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Hey guys,

Let me share my favorite Kemper video with you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpWWcbNHrk.


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Let me share my favorite Kemper video with you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpWWcbNHrk.


Enjoy.



Some lovely playing there
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Old 01-31-2016, 02:17 PM   #17
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Lucky man. So I take it that you're using it for metal? If I were playing metal, I think I could be ok with something from the software amp sim pool, but definitely not for clean to crunchy sounds.
All metal, all the time. I've never been able to get satisfactory sounds out of software amps, although I think it's mostly the cabinet modelling that I don't like.

Once in a while if I'm bored I'll fiddle around with SRV sounds, but I'm pretty terrible at clean playing so it doesn't last long. Maybe if I ever put my Frankenstrat back together.

More sexy Kemper:
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