Old 11-28-2018, 02:24 PM   #1
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Has anybody managed to get Native access running? With me it just crashes and I am stuck. My OS is Ubuntu 18
Hoping to hear some bright solutions!

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Old 11-28-2018, 04:59 PM   #2
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Hi,

Has anybody managed to get Native access running? With me it just crashes and I am stuck. My OS is Ubuntu 18
Hoping to hear some bright solutions!

Thanks as always :-)
I ran it a LOT today, but in the end I couldn't get the full version of Kontakt to run. It installed, along with the full Factory Library, but upon loading Kontakt it would crash and close.

I do have Komplete Elements running fine though. It just has a limited selection of instruments compared to the full Kontakt Factory Library.

I did also keep everything that it downloaded and all expanded and everything, so I can try again later. I ended up with a 25GB folder with 17 files that make up the Factory Library, plus a 163MB installer for Kontakt itself.

Won't have to download all that stuff again, the next time I give it a try. Oh, and I'm using Xubuntu 18.04 with Wine-Staging, if that makes a difference. I was using Wine-Stable when I installed Komplete Elements.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:06 PM   #3
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I have it working via
A poorly documented combo of using wine-staging,
a bunch of wine over-rides,
and copying related folders from a win7 partition,
because NA updates itself often, sometimes unsuccessfully,
so I copy over successfully updated folders from win7
as needed.
I think Native Access has parts in three locations.

These are my over-rides, they go in

.wine/drive_c/Windows/System32

using the winecfg 'libraries' tab interface
(windows .dll files replacing the wine versions). I don't delete
the originals, but append their name with DEFAULT so they can
quickly be spotted in a file manager, for renaming if
causing regression rather than winning. Then I copy the new .dll
alongside, dll's are easily found in google, or a local win install.
Hopefully they will do the trick

concrt140
d2d1(disabled)
d3d10
d3d11
d3d9
d3dx9_35
d3dx9_41
gdiplus
mfc42c71
mfc90
mscoree
msvcm80
msvcp140
msvcp80
msvcr120
msxml3
ucrtbase
mfc42u
mfc42

You might need a certain version of .net framework
and an app called robcopy, provided in a package.
Look at the LinVst page,

https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst

the readme mentions some helpful items, and they may be mentioned
in the 'using windows plugins'
topic in this forum. I get this info from osxmidi and Jack Winter,
so watch for their comments in general, theirs will make you luckier
than mine!
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:18 PM   #4
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I ran it a LOT today, but in the end I couldn't get the full version of Kontakt to run.
I have the K5 player/factory-content installed,
and was able to demo 'West Africa'.
But I had no luck even downloading the Kontakt 6 Player.

I was able to register Reaktor, and a few of it's commercial
instruments OK, as well as last year's Replika freebie.
Hopefully more gibraltor, and less eggshell, as time goes on.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:40 PM   #5
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Are the overrides you posted above for Kontakt or for Native Access?

I made zero mods to get Native Access running where it would connect, show me my purchased products, and download updates and installs, but the install of Kontakt 5.5.8.1 would try to run then crash with some page fault errors.

If the overrides were for making Kontakt run, I know what I'll be doing tomorrow, but if they were for Native Access . . . Well, I still know what I'll be doing tomorrow, but it won't be dicking with Native Instruments stuff any more.

I did not even attempt to get Kontakt 6 downloaded or installed. I bought and paid for Kontakt 5, so that was the only thing I tried to make work today.
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The over-rides have not been picked up for Kontakt,
some may have been for Native Access a long time ago,
but wine improves quickly. Some might help with Kontakt.
But if it uses any visual c++ or .net, installing programs
you know bring their chosen version might be lucky.
BlueCat Axiom amp-fx-sim is one, demo available.

Some of them were for KV331 Synthmaster and Synthmaster One,
IK Multimedia, Korg Legacy M1 (not yet registering),
Oatmeal, Fathom, Rhino, (and Serum demo uses the d2d1-disabled item)

http://www.dependencywalker.com/

This purports to find dependencies
for a given .dll maybe it's worth a look.
I think I'll try it on my Korg troublemaker.
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The over-rides have not been picked up for Kontakt,
some may have been for Native Access a long time ago,
but wine improves quickly. Some might help with Kontakt.
But if it uses any visual c++ or .net, installing programs
you know bring their chosen version might be lucky.
BlueCat Axiom amp-fx-sim is one, demo available.

Some of them were for KV331 Synthmaster and Synthmaster One,
IK Multimedia, Korg Legacy M1 (not yet registering),
Oatmeal, Fathom, Rhino, (and Serum demo uses the d2d1-disabled item)

http://www.dependencywalker.com/

This purports to find dependencies
for a given .dll maybe it's worth a look.
I think I'll try it on my Korg troublemaker.
Cheers
Interesting app. I will check it out for sure. Thanks for the link.
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Been a while since I tried Kontakt so I don't know if anything has changed.

I needed a msvcp140.dll override.
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Been a while since I tried Kontakt so I don't know if anything has changed.

I needed a msvcp140.dll override.
Thanks for that! I may give it another try tomorrow. At least I won't have to do the three freeking hour download of the Factory Library, since I unarchived it and saved to to my second physical drive.
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I have managed to get kontakt, all my paid libraries and native access working.
Big thanks to the clear minds at LinVST!
Also with help from taking files from my windows 10 duel boot partition.
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Are the overrides you posted above for Kontakt or for Native Access?

I made zero mods to get Native Access running where it would connect, show me my purchased products, and download updates and installs, but the install of Kontakt 5.5.8.1 would try to run then crash with some page fault errors.

If the overrides were for making Kontakt run, I know what I'll be doing tomorrow, but if they were for Native Access . . . Well, I still know what I'll be doing tomorrow, but it won't be dicking with Native Instruments stuff any more.

I did not even attempt to get Kontakt 6 downloaded or installed. I bought and paid for Kontakt 5, so that was the only thing I tried to make work today.

Have you tried installing version 5.5.6.6? I'm using it because it's easier to install libraries to. \\\you can get it here: https://support.native-instruments.c...r-Lower-VIDEO-

I had to use overrides on my laptop with ubuntu 18.04 but My new main PC running Manjaro with wine staging (now at v3.20) ran out of the box, even native access.
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Have you tried installing version 5.5.6.6? I'm using it because it's easier to install libraries to. \\\you can get it here: https://support.native-instruments.c...r-Lower-VIDEO-

I had to use overrides on my laptop with ubuntu 18.04 but My new main PC running Manjaro with wine staging (now at v3.20) ran out of the box, even native access.
I just reinstalled 5.5.6.6 again (since I already have it downloaded), and with the msvcp140.dll override it looks like it's going to work this time. I'm installing the Factory Library again too, since I kept a decompressed version of it too.

The only other library I have is one I made using the full version of all the hand percussion I own. Shakers, tambourines, maracas, Etc.
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OK this is weird. The full version of Kontakt will run stand alone now, but when REAPER does a plugin scan Kontakt blows with the following. I've tried overriding as Windows, Windows then Native, and a other variations. Which way is the proper one for Kontakt?

Unhandled exception: unimplemented function msvcp140.dll.?_Getcat@?$time_get@_WV?$istreambuf_i terator@_WU?$char_traits@_W@std@@@std@@@std@@SAIPA PBVfacet@locale@2@PBV42@@Z called in 32-bit code (0x7b43e2ac).
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OK this is weird. The full version of Kontakt will run stand alone now, but when REAPER does a plugin scan Kontakt blows with the following. I've tried overriding as Windows, Windows then Native, and a other variations. Which way is the proper one for Kontakt?

Unhandled exception: unimplemented function msvcp140.dll.?_Getcat@?$time_get@_WV?$istreambuf_i terator@_WU?$char_traits@_W@std@@@std@@@std@@SAIPA PBVfacet@locale@2@PBV42@@Z called in 32-bit code (0x7b43e2ac).


Success! I needed to install the visual 2015 runtime. Woot!!!

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I was just going to suggest "WINEPPREFIX=~/whereyoukeepit winetricks vcrun2015", but happy that you got it running!

In past testing it appeared that turning multicpu support off improved runtime, but I've heard that might not be needed anymore.
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I was just going to suggest "WINEPPREFIX=~/whereyoukeepit winetricks vcrun2015", but happy that you got it running!

In past testing it appeared that turning multicpu support off improved runtime, but I've heard that might not be needed anymore.
I had seen a thread on another forum where that was suggested as well, but I loaded up one of my most demanding songs that has about 8 or 9 Kontakt instruments and it played back just like it does in Windows, so I'm going to leave it alone for now.

At this point I have pretty much every effect plugin and instruments that I have in Windows, so I am real happy with it all. Just cloned my entire .wine folder to my second physical HD since it is all working so well.
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Heads up, ducking & running,
this years Native Instruments Christmas gift
kept throwing up an 'Invalid download destination' error,
when I tried to first install it on a win7 setup.
The error defied my list of usual suspects...so off to
the winter wonderland of Native Instruments help pages...

...to make a long story short, I think that by having
used Native Access most recently in linux, the download paths
in linux were different from those in the win7 setup,
and wound up stored in the bowels of Native Access.

And because Native Access is just a cyber toad,
that innocently sits there gumming the last bug it ate,
waiting for it's next bug to wander by, the error
exists.

When I used Native Access preferences to re-modify
the path to the correct win7 setting,
the installers then worked correctly.

So path-modifications could be something to beware of
going forward. I wonder if cross-platform PC and mac
users of Native Access could share the same fate?
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