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Old 04-20-2008, 08:30 PM   #1
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Default Plz work on a good sound engine (Been DONE, and done again. and again. and again...)

Give value to all the other features and the ones to come


DONE

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ummmm....
say what?


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Yeah, well, the "FR" is a bit vague... Is it about the Mythical DAW Sound Quality(tm)? Performance problems? Fish?
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ummmm....
say what?


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You forgot the "Willis..."

P.S. There's obviously nothing wrong with Reaper's core audio engine.

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You forgot the "Willis..."
Sir, I believe you are conflating the estimable 1970's era ethnic situational comedies "Diff'rent Strokes" and "What's Happening." Here at the Institute for Higher Critical Learning, these shows fall in entirely different syllabi, with "Diff'rent Strokes" the archetypal "cute kid with growth stunting disorder" show, and "What's Happening" the archetypal "clownish kid with morbid obesity disorder" show. (I particularly recommend our sub-minor in "Where Are They Now: Sad Tales of the Fall From Grace," which spans both categories of show.)
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Excellent schwa - now.. back to the sound engine
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Sir, I believe you are conflating the estimable 1970's era ethnic situational comedies "Diff'rent Strokes" and "What's Happening." Here at the Institute for Higher Critical Learning, these shows fall in entirely different syllabi, with "Diff'rent Strokes" the archetypal "cute kid with growth stunting disorder" show, and "What's Happening" the archetypal "clownish kid with morbid obesity disorder" show. (I particularly recommend our sub-minor in "Where Are They Now: Sad Tales of the Fall From Grace," which spans both categories of show.)
What you talking 'bout JJ?

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What you talking 'bout JJ?
Ah, now "Good Times" falls within our "Archaic Early Entertainment Forms" course category. Students typically cover that show immediately after Beowulf and Canterbury Tales.
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R O F L

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you guys are too much.



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Any of you guys ever did extensive sound comparison between different audio softwares ?

Cause I did and altho reaper sounds better than most other daws, it still has this ''fake sound'' caracteristic....

Sorry

Maybe pay a little attention before going for the ''done'' thing
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Zee - could you tell us more? Which DAW sounds best?

Maybe you could send a couple of linear recordings to illustrate the difference?
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Sorry dudes...

I spent years looking for the right daw....

I don't think that exposing the differences of reaper vs other daws here would be respectfull of reaper's creator(s).

I will satisfy myself by mentionning that there is room for improvement in the sound engine....

I know wich daw sounds the best and why. I would share this info only with reaper's creator to speed up reaper's improvement....

BTW, Reaper is a more than great software and any of you who are satisfied with it and can't hear anything wrong should enjoy it and stick with it.
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Zee, please you can post a wav file created, with absolutely identical processing, in a "good" DAW and one created in Reaper, so we can hear the difference. I can promise you that it would not be disrespectful.

I can also promise you that given identical settings, the files will null. (I wouldn't actually expect the files to null on the first try, because if you're hearing some difference, there's some setting that's not identical.)
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I don't think that exposing the differences of reaper vs other daws here would be respectfull of reaper's creator(s).
actually, if you can provide quantifiable proof of a difference in the sound engine of reaper compared to other software, you would be doing the reaper creator(s) a GREAT service

but since that information is not forthcoming from you, i only can call

BULLS%^T!!!
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Zee, what monitors are you using?
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...asking about monitoring because I've been in discussions before about subtle sonic differences in various aspects of audio production only to find out that the poster was listening on computer speakers or earbuds.

I imagine from the differences you describe that you've got a very high quality monitoring environment....?
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ohhhh you mean the fake sounding sound that isn't really even sound but Pomegranate
yup something needs to be done
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:17 PM   #20
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Honestly, I don't see what a '' pomme genade'' is suppose to mean but I have my idea about it...

Jason Brian Merrill : Yeah, you got me , I AM Bullshit and was only looking for some attention cause my mom misrased me (lol)

I was not looking for a fight.

I don't wanna talk about it anymore.

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I was not looking for a fight.

I don't wanna talk about it anymore.
Sorry Zee, but that's a bullshit answer. I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my question.

What monitoring system are you using to determine this?
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Everyone knows Atari renders are the cats meow period, followed by another period
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Jason Brian Merrill : Yeah, you got me , I AM Bullshit and was only looking for some attention cause my mom misrased me (lol)
seemed more like daddy issues to me but whatever
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Ah, now "Good Times" falls within our "Archaic Early Entertainment Forms" course category. Students typically cover that show immediately after Beowulf and Canterbury Tales.
There's disturbing signs here of a misspent youth.....

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Sorry dudes...

I spent years looking for the right daw....

I don't think that exposing the differences of reaper vs other daws here would be respectfull of reaper's creator(s).

I will satisfy myself by mentionning that there is room for improvement in the sound engine....

I know wich daw sounds the best and why. I would share this info only with reaper's creator to speed up reaper's improvement....

BTW, Reaper is a more than great software and any of you who are satisfied with it and can't hear anything wrong should enjoy it and stick with it.
Dude, are you serious or just making a joke?

A) If serious: you need help

B) If joking: you need help and a better repertoire of jokes

EDIT: ok, so it was option B)

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What a shame. You stirred up the nest but then won't talk about it or even give details about your monitoring or other relevant factors.. and then suddenly you want it all to go away.

Many of us spent years looking for the right DAW too.. and so we're naturally keen to hear what you have found.

So I do at least hope that you will go ahead and send an email to Cockos with that important info.

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Old 04-26-2008, 06:54 AM   #29
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I used many different monitoring systems....
I also have access to a big discotheque...

That is not the point cause the difference can be heard in any non-shitty speakers.

Even any of you guys would hear it.

Seems like most of you not only have prosthetic ears , but prosthetic minds as well.

I was gonna try to make the sound engine get better so I could use all the great features of Reaper.
But I can live without reaper... Can you?

Hey Jason Brian, was that a picture of you afraid I might be right ??
Honestly, why would I want to make YOU sound better ? I'd rather not .

I can now only blame myself for even considering it.
This is going nowhere, and I came to conclude that it is fine like that.

Take this as a bullshit answer all you want... I DON'T CARE

Those able to hear that it could be better probably already moved on like I did anyways...

Now, you really helped yourselves... didn't you ?

P.S. My apologies for using the word ''good'' instead of ''better'' in my original thread.

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I used many different monitoring systems....
Such as?

...serious question. I'm not just messing with you.
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Ns10 Tapco and Huge 4x18'' custom speakers and subs + A few shit boxes and ''car rides''. (that is, driving around listening to the final mix, wich is, the ultimate test to me)

But, as better speakers helps you hear more precisely and make a better mix, they don't have anything to do with the overall sound quality.

You can, with bad speakers, make a lousy mix and it will still retain the good overall sound quality unless you mess around with compressors.

Ex: I've heard many great mixes made with Nuendo sound like crap compared to weak analog mixes .

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Ns10 Tapco and Huge 4x18'' custom speakers and subs + A few shit boxes and ''car rides''.
OK, thanks.

I've compared Reaper's sound quality to several other apps and haven't found it to be lacking. I record mostly classical and acoustic guitar which tend to make subtle recording quality changes very apparent. I monitor on KRK V6 in a treated room, two decent home stereo systems in untreated rooms, and a couple cars.

So I'm curious as to what exactly you're hearing as a quality difference.
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Your analog to digital converter makes digital samples which it sends to your computer. A DAW manipulates samples by summing them, multiplying for gain, etc. The DAW also passes samples to plugins, and receives them back after the plugins manipulate the samples.

DAW "sound engines" are not supposed to impart "color" to the digital samples. If they did, they would be altering the incoming signal from the A/D converter, and most people would consider that to be a bad thing. Given the same gain settings, plugin chains, etc, any final difference in output from different DAWs due to configurable settings like pan law. If those settings can be synchronized between the two DAWs, the output will null, that is, be literally identical, down to common digital sample resolution.

And that's just the way it is.

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I closed this thread earlier, but I was hung over and grumpy at the time, and on the merits it's not close-worthy. So, have at it.
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I closed this thread earlier, but I was hung over and grumpy at the time, and on the merits it's not close-worthy. So, have at it.
Yeah, as absurd as the OP is, we should be able to talk about it freely.

My mom thinks the earth is hollow. She has a book about it, anyway.. I don't think she's read it yet.
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My mom thinks the earth is hollow. She has a book about it, anyway.. I don't think she's read it yet.
The Earth is hollow. Have you talked with many suburbanites lately?
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Your analog to digital converter makes digital samples which it sends to your computer. A DAW manipulates samples by summing them, multiplying for gain, etc. The DAW also passes samples to plugins, and receives them back after the plugins manipulate the samples.

DAW "sound engines" are not supposed to impart "color" to the digital samples. If they did, they would be altering the incoming signal from the A/D converter, and most people would consider that to be a bad thing. Given the same gain settings, plugin chains, etc, any final difference in output from different DAWs due to configurable settings like pan law. If those settings can be synchronized between the two DAWs, the output will null, that is, be literally identical, down to common digital sample resolution.

And that's just the way it is.
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to side with Zee here; after all, he's got da Tapco's and da car ride, not to mention the cool screen name. I'm sold, when do we get new engine in Reaper?
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I'm sold, when do we get new engine in Reaper?
New engine? I'd be cool with just some new furry dice to hang in the main window.

It would seem the hit-and-run poster has left the room. The quest for the ultimate DAW continues..........lots of luck with that.
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Yes, a new engine! with a low carbon footprint, lean and clean, just to make you sound pristine........ seems to me the OP didn't not want to share his special knowledge with common or garden plebs.

Zee says he knows why Reaper doesn't sound as good as the best; what I can't work out is why has he not developed his own DAW??
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Yes, a new engine! with a low carbon footprint, lean and clean, just to make you sound pristine........
I'm thinking enriched Hydrogen micro-fusion.....with afterburner, of course, for that extra analog hoomph.
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