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Old 07-20-2018, 05:22 PM   #481
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Thanks James but I don't mean the older ports. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong, because I can't get TAL sampler or the cool new DAC VST to work.

All the Klanghelm stuff works fine.
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:36 PM   #482
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Did someone get one of the latest TAL plugins working via LinVST?
I tried TAL DAC off their website and it seems ok with wine staging 3.12 and Debian Stretch.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:38 PM   #483
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I tried TAL DAC off their website and it seems ok with wine staging 3.12 and Debian Stretch.
Yeah, I've got TAL sampler working with LinVst on a Ubuntu Studio 16.04 machine and a Kubuntu 18.04. I needed mscore fonts installed - other than that, no problems.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:49 PM   #484
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Sry guys, recaching under vst options helped. Osxmidi thanks for this fine peace of software. Now I have to check the dac plugin
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...Certain distros have their own wine builds (for Ubuntu or Debian or whatever) and maybe some are more compatible than others, I don't know...
I've switched to debian stretch (via AVLinux). WC V9 offline installer and V10 online installer will not load all of the way. The splash page comes up with the spinning "wait while the system is doing someting" thing, but it is not spinning and then nothing happens. Running in terminal I see a bunch of “fixme’s”, no errors and then process stopped. Any ideas?


P.S. - mfc42 dll's, robocopy and registry changes have been made. Wine-staging 3.10 (tried 3.13 as well)

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Old 07-21-2018, 05:28 PM   #486
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I've switched to debian stretch (via AVLinux). WC V9 offline installer and V10 online installer will not load all of the way. The splash page comes up with the spinning "wait while the system is doing someting" thing, but it is not spinning and then nothing happens. Running in terminal I see a bunch of “fixme’s”, no errors and then process stopped. Any ideas?


P.S. - mfc42 dll's, robocopy and registry changes have been made. Wine-staging 3.10 (tried 3.13 as well)
Looks like the newer versions of Waves Central have some changes that cause Waves Central 10 to hang in a loop on a Wine tasklist.exe call.

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Old 07-23-2018, 12:39 PM   #487
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Wow, best thread ever.

I'm so excited to finally ditch Windows.

Maybe we can compile a list of VSTs that we've got working in Linux? (Maybe make a scale of how well/stable they work, from 1-5, even if it's just a rough estimate).
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:03 PM   #488
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Wow, best thread ever.

I'm so excited to finally ditch Windows.

Maybe we can compile a list of VSTs that we've got working in Linux? (Maybe make a scale of how well/stable they work, from 1-5, even if it's just a rough estimate).
The majority work with linvst, it would be easier to compile a list of ones that don't work.
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:29 PM   #489
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Buyers would need both lists, to aid shopping,
and then to purchase with confidence.

A speadsheet would be handy, with cells for

works
fails
linux version
system gui
daw software
kernel version
audio adaptor
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input gear guitar/synth/midi-controller etc

Submissions could go to the moderator's spare-time stack,
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:01 PM   #490
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Most are working? That's super exciting. But yes, in order to really take my work over to Linux, I have to know my software's gonna work.


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Buyers would need both lists, to aid shopping,
and then to purchase with confidence.

A speadsheet would be handy, with cells for

works
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linux version
system gui
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kernel version
audio adaptor
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input gear guitar/synth/midi-controller etc

Submissions could go to the moderator's spare-time stack,
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Old 07-24-2018, 05:12 PM   #491
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Most are working? That's super exciting. But yes, in order to really take my work over to Linux, I have to know my software's gonna work.
I don't think that's ever going to happen, it's an almost impossible task. If you list what you need then people can say which they have tested. Alternatively I think avlinux comes with it linvst installed so you could boot in to the live environment and test yourself.
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Old 07-24-2018, 05:50 PM   #492
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Vague question: I tried the whole 'run windows VSTs on linux' thing some years ago when things were less developed and was pretty disappointed in the performance; simple plugins would use huge amounts of CPU. They worked, but it wasn't really a feasible way to go (and key plugins didn't work at all.)

I'm tempted to try again, for obvious reasons, but I'm curious if the CPU usage has improved? I know there's only one way to find out, but if anyone has any rough impressions I'd appreciate hearing them before putting in the time.

(I use reaper linux all the time, especially for tracking, but haven't looked into to switching full time...)
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Old 07-24-2018, 06:44 PM   #493
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Realistically, with something like LinVst live inputs are not as good latency wise as prerecorded track outputs.

Reaper has an anticipate feature for outputs that make pre recorded tracks going through something like Kontakt (or other vst effects) not that much different from real Windows latency wise (depends on the audio hardware as well) but live input recording is not the same as real Windows latency wise.

So mixing prerecorded tracks is ok and live input into a few tracks can be ok but live input into 25 tracks is not really going to work that well.

It's because LinVst (and others) need to switch to Wine for each buffer and that can take time and so input latency can suffer but Reapers anticipate feature helps with output latency performance.

The cpu cycles are not that much different from real Windows and of course something like a i7 helps.
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The cpu cycles are not that much different from real Windows and of course something like a i7 helps.
Awesome, that's good to hear, thanks. I don't care much about live latency, so maybe I can make this happen.

My main $ plugins are iZotope RX, Ozone, and Alloy... haven't seen any reports of those working yet, but haven't looked too hard.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:10 PM   #495
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I've switched to debian stretch (via AVLinux). WC V9 offline installer and V10 online installer will not load all of the way. The splash page comes up with the spinning "wait while the system is doing someting" thing, but it is not spinning and then nothing happens. Running in terminal I see a bunch of “fixme’s”, no errors and then process stopped. Any ideas?


P.S. - mfc42 dll's, robocopy and registry changes have been made. Wine-staging 3.10 (tried 3.13 as well)

I've tracked down the Waves Central Debian Wine problem.

Seems like there was some change in Wine Staging 3.12 that breaks Waves Central (at least with the Debian Wine Staging builds).

The solution is to uninstall Wine Staging 3.x

sudo dpkg --purge winehq-staging

sudo dpkg --purge wine-staging

sudo dpkg --purge wine-staging-amd64

sudo dpkg --purge wine-staging-i386:i386

and remove any winehq reference from /etc/apt/sources.list

then run sudo apt-get update

Delete the wine prefix from the home folder sudo rm -R .wine

and try to get a previous wine-staging version like 2.21 (on MX Linux Wine Staging 2.21 installs using sudo apt-get install winehq-staging when the winehq reference is removed from /etc/apt/sources.list)

after the install and licence setup any wine version (2.x, 3.x) can be used to run the Waves plugins.

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Old 07-24-2018, 10:27 PM   #496
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Copy protection and registration schemes are the hard part,
if those are staightforward, the plugin usually works.
If they are convoluted, it may take extra effort, choosing
wine over-rides and or auxilary apps, but even
Native Instruments flying pasta registration schemes
have been partly conquered, so give it a shot.
Wine-staging is around 3.13 at wineHQ and making
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:27 AM   #497
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Awesome, that's good to hear, thanks. I don't care much about live latency, so maybe I can make this happen.

My main $ plugins are iZotope RX, Ozone, and Alloy... haven't seen any reports of those working yet, but haven't looked too hard.
Ozone definitely works (v4-8) but I haven't tried the other two. I can't get Neutron to work. The cross channel/instances control stuff doesn't work.
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The cross instance communication feature of some Windows vst plugins will not work with LinVst or other Wine based wrappers because of the way they run.
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I've tracked down the Waves Central Debian Wine problem.

Seems like there was some change in Wine Staging 3.12 that breaks Waves Central (at least with the Debian Wine Staging builds).

The solution is to uninstall Wine Staging 3.x...
Awesome! Thanks for figuring this out. Away on business’s but looking forward to trying this when I get back home.
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Vague question: I tried the whole 'run windows VSTs on linux' thing some years ago when things were less developed and was pretty disappointed in the performance; simple plugins would use huge amounts of CPU. They worked, but it wasn't really a feasible way to go (and key plugins didn't work at all.)

I'm tempted to try again, for obvious reasons, but I'm curious if the CPU usage has improved? I know there's only one way to find out, but if anyone has any rough impressions I'd appreciate hearing them before putting in the time.

(I use reaper linux all the time, especially for tracking, but haven't looked into to switching full time...)
Speaking of cpu use

LinVst is memory access intensive and having memory in 2 (or more) different motherboard memory banks may result in better performance then if the memory was just in one bank (interleaved memory).

Some of my computers have memory in 1 bank and in 2 banks and cpu use basically halves on my 2 bank memory computers.

With 2 bank memory the cpu use is closer to real windows.

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Winehq-devel 3.13 and now sgear crashes at start up where 3.12 was solid.


So being a fickle twit I immediately got a headache and uninstalled ubuntu -> win


What should I do next time?


Have any of you done regression testing to nail down which commit did it?

https://wiki.winehq.org/Regression_Testing


Is build-essential enough to compile wine from git?


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Winehq-devel 3.13 and now sgear crashes at start up where 3.12 was solid.


So being a fickle twit I immediately got a headache and uninstalled ubuntu -> win


What should I do next time?


Have any of you done regression testing to nail down which commit did it?

https://wiki.winehq.org/Regression_Testing


Is build-essential enough to compile wine from git?


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Waves Central broke around Wine Staging 3.10 or 3.11 due to a winehq patch.

I just got the @#$%#@%$%#% thing working (Waves V9 and V10 install) and then a winehq patch blows it away, oh well.

Compiling Wine requires a lot of dev libraries and the faster the computer the better.

I just added the dev libraries when I hit an error from the configure/make about missing libraries but I think there are some Wine dev library list guides around.

Also I compiled with a gnutls option for web access but I can't remember exactly.

I also needed --enable-win64 for 64 bits.

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Waves Central broke around Wine Staging 3.10 or 3.11 due to a winehq patch.

I just got the @#$%#@%$%#% thing working (Waves V9 and V10 install) and then a winehq patch blows it away, oh well.
Happen to know what commit did it in?
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LinVst is memory access intensive and having memory in 2 (or more) different motherboard memory banks may result in better performance then if the memory was just in one bank (interleaved memory).
Thanks! -- I have all slots filled so hopefully I'll be OK on that front.
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Happen to know what commit did it in?
No.

I've spoken to some of the wine-devs and they don't seem to know, so I think it's going to need some regression testing to find it.
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The Waves Central bug first appears in Wine Staging 3.12 btw.

Edit: I've found the bug, it's in the Wine Staging (also Wine) 3.12 cmd.exe.

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Just out of interest, WineHQ sorted themselves out and are now providing up-to-date repos for Wine Stable 3.02 for most distros:

https://wiki.winehq.org/Download

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Ubuntu - WineHQ binary packages for Ubuntu 14.04, 16.04, 17.10, and 18.04
Debian - WineHQ binary packages for Debian Wheezy, Jessie, Stretch, Buster, and Sid
Fedora - WineHQ binary packages for Fedora 24, 25, 26, 27, and 28
Mageia - WineHQ binary packages for Mageia 6
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sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
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Just out of interest, WineHQ sorted themselves out and are now providing up-to-date repos for Wine Stable 3.02 for most distros:

https://wiki.winehq.org/Download



I find the stable a much better bet to avoid problems.

Yeah I'm starting to see the wisdom in this.
stable and some kind of container for staging or devel for it's super powers with native access.
like POL or


winesnaps look interesting https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/winesna...lications/6392


or winepak
https://www.winepak.org/
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I've tracked down the Waves Central Debian Wine problem...
Tried to install staging 2.21 on AVLinux but was running into some missing dependencies that I couldn't easily resolve.

Installed MX 17.1 and then successfully loaded everything. Waves Central would recognize drive_C but not my flash drive.

I disconnected an external hard drive but had forgotten to dismount it. Now Waves Central gives me the disconnected devices warning. A reboot, re-install of everything except wine did not fix this!

EDIT: EDIT: After re-installing wine, I have confirmed that the removal of a USB drive without first dismounting it will cause WC to not be able to see the network card and drive_c will no longer available. WC was not running when I removed the drive. When the drive is re-installed, WC will recognize drive_c again.

I might be able to work with this but am going to keep trying to get licenses on USB to work.

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sudo umount /media/drive-ID

Pretty crucial in debian/ubuntu

Or done just as

umount /media/drive-ID

as root user in non-sudo linuxi

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sudo umount /media/drive-ID

Pretty crucial in debian/ubuntu...
Yes, I'm usually pretty good about doing this, but just pulling USB drives is an old habit carried over from 20 years of using Windows! I would have never guessed it would "break" Waves Central.

Another thing I observed is that sometimes partitions will still show up in winecfg even though they were properly unmounted. This will cause WC to throw an error. Removing their entry in the drives tab will resolve this.

I'm on MX with the Liquorix kernel now after being on Mint and briefly trying AVLinux. Seems to be snappier than what I had before so that's good but I suspect the root cause of my WC errors was not the fault of the other distro'a, but me not managing my drives properly!
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I've read enough good things about MX linux, that
I'm going to try it. Got the iso, and 170 page manual.
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Someone somewhere mentioned EZDrummer and the Toontrack
Program Manager worked, so I got out my old EZD license info,
and asked Toontrack support if they could help with my
old email address that no longer exists, and they set me up
using my current email account details, and reset the
defunct password. Five minutes later, the Program Manager
had EZDrummer up and running, even with me holding my breath.
This is version 1 of EZD. On win7, the manager also installed
a 1.4 update, but in wine, the manager stopped, saying V 1.3
was needed, to install 1.4. May have to sneakernet that part,
but I'm happy having V1. I added DrumecoreCM to the reaper session,
and let a sequencer play both drumkits, to have extra sounds.
Quite nice!

Toontrack support was fast and efficient. Other companies could
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32bit SQ8L virtual synth is running in LinVST!

http://www.buchty.net/ensoniq/index.html#sq8l

It did not even work properly in Windows Reaper... fingers crossed it will run stable, but if it doesn't I won't blame LinVST seeing as it does not even run stable in Windows LOL
I'm late to the party but sq8l is one of my all time fav plugins for so many reasons. That said it's always run super well for me under WINE. I guess this is that "your mileage may vary" stuff because for so many years I saw guys talking about how Reaper ran fine under WINE but for me it was utter garbage. Sq8l however was always rock stable no matter what I loaded it in, go figure.
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wine updated to 3.14


Not sure when ubuntu gets it but it's available in playonlinux


sgear works again and even reason, both no dll overrides


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Hi, could you mention the versions that are working?
That helps to keep things clear, with so many products.
Congrats on the powerful tools, yay indeed!

I have a Reason-Essentials license from an old Korg purchase,
maybe I should dig out the serials etc
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Default dual reapers...

I have been working with reaper in WINE for 10 years now. It has always been stable and fun. Native Reaper under Linux seems promising and stable. And a little bit faster.

Now, this VST thing, I have been testing several bridges, and I saw they all use WINE to run the plugins.

After experimenting, i thought: I have two reapers, One under WINE and one native Linux. Why not take advantage of that? You can run two Reapers at the same time now. So you can use one instance (Linux native) to lay down tracks and the WIne instance to host the high end WIndows VST's and Vsti's.

From Linux Reaper, I send the midi of a track to WINE reaper, where I have a VSTi like addictive Keys. ( you can do so using the midi through in Catia). And from there I route the audio of the plugin back to a seperate track in Linux Reaper. Now you can record both the midi and the audio of a track and it's plugin.

Maybe it looks like a lot of extra work, but you can make a whole project file consisting of your favorite VSTi's, all on their own track. They can all use the same midi and audio i/o's and you select them by soloing the tracks. And in Linux Reaper, whenever you need one of these VSTi's, you only have to import a track template with the generic i/o settings to route to WINE Reaper.

The performance of these plugins is exactly the same as it was in WINE Reaper. So the advantage of this setup is, you keep your LInux Reaper project very Lean and responsive.

Plus, you wont need te reinstall or link all of your plugins again. For what I have seen, Airwave was no picnick, crashing al the time.

There is one more advantage of running two reapers at the same time:
one can function as an audio recorder that records the whole recording session when I am using Reaper. And that is very convenient, as I teach singing using Reaper, this way I can record the whole lesson!

So, speaking in Apple terms: It is not a bug, it is a feature!
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That helps to keep things clear, with so many products.
Congrats on the powerful tools, yay indeed!

I have a Reason-Essentials license from an old Korg purchase,
maybe I should dig out the serials etc
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Hi yeah no worries
The latest Reason essentials, Ableton, SGear work on with wine 3.14
Reason has a few quirks, but the others are near flawless
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Reason having quirks... with so much under the hood,
and on the screen, it's amazing it even launches.
But the long-run devs seem to provide code that doesn't
get lost in translation, even in apps leaning towards mega,
like Reason does.
Cheers
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Exciting times ahead. Steam just announced their Proton project, which will allow the Linux client to run Windows games seamlessly using a special Wine version. This in itself probably isn't too exciting unless you are a gamer. But they also announced esync https://github.com/zfigura/wine/blob/esync/README.esync which I think we'll be very happy to see.

What it actually does is to remove calls to the wineserver when using many windows syncing primitives. This is sure to cut down on execution times and avoid many context switches, which will translate to lower overhead when hosting Windows vsts in Wine.
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