Old 04-17-2006, 09:22 AM   #41
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Hello and Welcome

i always wanted to dig deep in Energyxt
but could never figure out how to play
a file .wav or midi. or make any sound
whatsoever

hello Ziggly,


for not going to much o.t. here please could you post your questions over in the official eXT-forum over at kvr?

You'll get all the answers to your questions there... :-)


http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=36
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Old 04-17-2006, 11:59 AM   #42
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thx for the tip
mind if i ask you something?

on feb 24th06
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Bands usually vary the tempo
slightly during a song e.g. playing progressively
faster during a solo so that the solo - never
checked Pearl Jam's 'alive' with a metronome but
I guess you couldn't do that one without a
tempo-envelope -> or at least dozens of cleverly
placed markers -> so I guess yes, markers will
probably do but will make it harder to get it
right - I think the idea of 'place 15 [editable]
markers with increasing/decreasing [pulldown]
tempo between bar 12 [editable] and bar 13
[editable]' someone mentioned before is a good one. :-)

after reading this post of yours my exact thought was
"this person has an intelligent voice" some comments
of yours are intriguing so i'd like to ask you a few
questions and also bounce some ideas off you.

1) after reading your post, i'd like to know what your
thoughts are about the project BPM meter in Ableton.
Also what do you think of the BPM slider in Acid? are
you familiar with the way these, when adjusted,
resize the media/events/clips

(whatever you want to call the "whatsits". its funny cause
in the Ableton community it's called "clips". Seems each
company uses a different name for events. in fact
i've read the developer here, Justin in his posts, refer
to these as "media", while others here have told me the
correct term is "items.")

anyways my point is, do you like the way in these
applications, that "items" are resized when you make
changes to the project BPM?

2) what audio enviornment are you coming from?
i mean, what program do you use mostly for
doing audio and midi stuff.

3) Currently the tempo map envelopes in Reaper seem to
only adjust the lines in the grid. that is if you
have show grid selected. What do you think about
the idea of when adjusting the tempo map envelopes
on the master track that it would adjust/resize the
audio items in a way similar to Ableton or Acid.
not sure if im being clear here..let me restate:

the way BPM adjustments in Ableton and Acid resizes
events/items, what if adjusting the Tempo envelopes
in Reaper had this same effect on audio items?


my apologies to anyone who feels this is a tanget from
the thread, but the thread itself seemed to already have
spiraled before i even posted.

none the less Jens, if you are uncomfortable replying,
you could reply here at either thread at these 2 links

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthre...=4763#post4763

or here
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588


Ziggly



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Old 04-17-2006, 12:28 PM   #43
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I like the way Acid 6.0 does it, where the display is "structure-priority" rather than "time-priority", i.e. changing tempos do not affect the sizing of the grid on the display.

Loops and beatmapped clips do not change in size when tempo is adjusted, but one-shots will visibly shrink and grow across the tempo boundaries. Of course, the play cursor will also move faster across the differing tempo boundaries.

This might be a more difficult model to manage if there is support for accelerando and ritardando, but I still would like to see it implemented.

After all, bars of sheet music are not compressed and expanded on the printed page according to the tempo. The structure of the song is paramount and should be visualized independent of the tempo changes.

Cheers,

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Old 04-17-2006, 01:25 PM   #44
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Hello Randygo

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Loops and beatmapped clips do not change in size when tempo is adjusted, but one-shots will visibly shrink and grow across the tempo boundaries. Of course, the play cursor will also move faster across the differing tempo boundaries.
Noted.

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Old 04-17-2006, 01:46 PM   #45
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I'm not sure what you are asking, but the basic behavioural differences of "loops" and "one-shots" in Acid are:

Loops: Always start and end on the same beat. Time-stretch as tempo changes; either by simply playing faster or slower (shifting pitch in the process), or stretching smartly while retaining their original pitch.

One-shots: Are not affected by tempo changes. Always start on the same beat, but may end on different beats depending how the tempo is changed.

This is why one-shots appear to stretch and shrink on the screen in Acid when tempo is changed. The grid (representing beats) remains constant but time moves faster across the one-shot, so it must shrink/expand on the screen to remain the same duration.

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Old 04-17-2006, 01:58 PM   #46
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No guy, i am with you

you'll notice i deleted half my post
i wanted to check something in Acid before
replying to you.
i am trying to do three different things
at once right now..sorry

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Old 04-17-2006, 05:28 PM   #47
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ok got it
you are quite correct Randygo
i mistated the way BPM adjustments
work in Ableton/Acid. and if i didnt
mistate things in this thread i certainly
have in others.

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Loops and beatmapped clips do not change in size when tempo is adjusted, but one-shots will visibly shrink and grow across the tempo boundaries. Of course, the play cursor will also move faster across the differing tempo boundaries.
Thx
i appreciate now knowing

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