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v5.982+dev0817 - August 17 2019
  • + linux: detect/warn/allow override if numeric locale is set in an incompatible fashion
  • # Windows: include internal build ID as executable version for development builds
    # embed FX TCP layout reworking
  • # embed fx: allow jsfx to detect doubleclicks
  • # macOS: include internal build ID in version plist for development builds
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:27 AM   #2
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This may have happened in a previous version of Reaper. I can install previous versions to test if you want (just let me know).

When changing pan mode for a track in the MCP, it won't display the new choice until closing/re-opening the mixer.

OS: Linux Mint XFCE 19.2, Reaper for Linux.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:36 PM   #3
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Item ruler: there is no specific action to turn this off.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:53 PM   #4
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This may have happened in a previous version of Reaper. I can install previous versions to test if you want (just let me know).

When changing pan mode for a track in the MCP, it won't display the new choice until closing/re-opening the mixer.

OS: Linux Mint XFCE 19.2, Reaper for Linux.
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Old 08-18-2019, 04:53 PM   #5
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can we talk here about the embed FX stuff?
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If it's in prereleases, you can talk about it
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No option to get the secondary rules to show measures:beats?
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No option to get the secondary rules to show measures:beats?
I would welcome that too.

One of the reasons is that time selection data in the transport are shown only for the primary time unit. So if I want to have a readout of seconds there, I need to set seconds to be primary ruler time unit, and then there is no way to have also beats shown.
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Old 08-19-2019, 07:43 AM   #10
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OK then about the embed FX in MCP and TCP

testing it and not 100% sure that I'd really use it
I like the idea, to give us a sort of control strip right on the mixer or TCP
It works nicely with ReaEQ but not so much with many other plugins
Is that what is to be expected? Or...?

Also, I can see that it's going to vary greatly with the MCP layout... not gonna work well in narrow layouts and way better in wider layouts...
Might have to add wider MCP layouts to my fav themes

Not life or death questions, and I am happy without embedded, but also curious about what to expect.
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I feel similarly, although I consider MCP embedding has a great potential.

Problem 1 IMO is design of usability of embedded interface. The ReaEq is fine, it just does the expected thing as in any other similar softwares. ReaComp and other embed-enabled stock plugins are not so fine. Ofcourse for this to be good, this would need to be designed by a designer, not a coder.

Problem 2 is the fact, that embedding is mainly meant for stock plugins, so for a user to use these, they must be comparable in usability with 3rd party plugins. Otherwise a user is not going to use them and then also not going to use embedding. And the stock plugins plugins are not usable enough currently (except maybe ReaEq, although functional they mostly are). Again, part for a designer, not a coder.

An example of embedding would be Studio One, which does above things well (although I know it only little).
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yes what bFooz says... pretty much total agreement
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it's totally wonderful! but would be really far in my priority list
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:37 PM   #14
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I quite like using the embed FX. It's so nice to quickly be able to see all EQ's side by side and their relationship to each other and do on-the-fly adjustments. The less windows we have to open, the better imo.

One thing I'd like to see is the ability to maybe right-click the headers in the TCP and get a menu similar to when you right-click an FX in the MCP. There's more potential to them than just floating the clicked FX.


Either way, nice job on the improvements to the resizing behavior of the embedded UI's. Looks better now!

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... the stock plugins plugins are not usable enough currently (except maybe ReaEq,
ReaComp is very good. The only thing that makes it "non-standard" (that I can tell) is its release curve. If a more standard release curve were added and made default, ReaComp could easily be considered a comfortable choice as a default compressor for most people. (Also probably with the default preset's RMS time being 0 ms or maybe 1 ms, so the compressor can be heard more as an obvious compressor by default.)

I also think ReaXcomp is quite good, as well as ReaFIR.

(I don't see UIs to embed for other Rea-suite plugins, just those 4.)
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it's totally wonderful! but would be really far in my priority list
Keep in mind that if you decide to post something like that, people could do the same on your requests.
Just saying...
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Keep in mind that if you decide to post something like that, people could do the same on your requests.
Just saying...
I can say the same to your comment then !
Anyway! It's ok and I would be totally fine with that.
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ReaComp is very good. The only thing that makes it "non-standard" (that I can tell) is its release curve.
ReaComp and ReaPlugins in general already have a few problems more than that. For example, the totally unergonomic and "non-standard" layouts. Some time ago, the ReaComp layout got even more worse than before.
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If you know how to use a compressor I don't think there's a problem with ReaComp's layout to the point it hinders you from getting the sound you want. If you know what the controls do, which are pretty common, there's very little holding you back.

Anyway its layout isn't that relevant in this particular case because what is going to show in the TCP or MCP will be different.
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If you know how to use a compressor I don't think there's a problem with ReaComp's layout to the point it hinders you from getting the sound you want. If you know what the controls do, which are pretty common, there's very little holding you back.

Anyway its layout isn't that relevant in this particular case because what is going to show in the TCP or MCP will be different.
I know how to use a compressor. Reacomp doesn't stop me from achieving the sound I want. But it prevents me from reaching my goal FAST, because of the unergononmic & illogical parameter placement. I wrote a request for this: What's wrong with ReaPlugins UI: LAYOUT & ERGONOMICS

The presentation in the TCP and MCP also isn't that useful.
Missing attack and release parameters. The resolution of the ratio is too low in the lower range, just like the presentation of the gain reduction. GR below 6db is optically hardly detectable.
Apart from the fact that the GR is just a flickering useless indicator from which no one can draw any conclusions about the actual amount of gain reduction.


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How about to save the embedded state together with default preset settings? Thanx
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An example of embedding would be Studio One, which does above things well (although I know it only little).
The differnce is neglible. In Studio One the frequency bands are added with a single click. The embedded compressor just shows a bias - anyway, only the threshold can be adjusted here and there. And that's right: more compression or less, attenuate or gain some frequencies - this is all that's needed for quick operation.
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And that's right: more compression or less, attenuate or gain some frequencies - this is all that's needed for quick operation.
Agreed. The fact ReaComp's embedded UI allows for threshold, ratio and wet (output volume) is plenty for the intended use. A single click would bring up the plugin for more editing.

I also have no problem using the embedded UI's design. It took me a few seconds to realize it was the same as each band of ReaXcomp and after that it felt intuitive.
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I agree with bFooz and hopi about the embed FX. REAPER can show any FX parameters in the MCP/TCP, and I feel the functionality has a potential to be like a user-customisable embed FX, maybe by visually grouping the parameters by different plugins, and allowing users to color each parameter (like the image below). It works with any plugins.

Something like the EQ curve display in Pro Tools might be useful, though. It’s now supported by more third-party plugin developers.

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... ReaComp's embedded UI allows for threshold, ratio and wet (output volume) is plenty for the intended use...
Precisely! And we also need to urge Justin to enable antialiasing for the lines
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I will take the liberty of re-rise my feature request concerning Media Item labeling. It's actually prevents me to use the Ruler Items more thoroughly:

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=21

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I've had this happen to me quite a lot recently where the tracks "fall down" a couple steps:



I can't reproduce it consistently but it seems to happen when I zoom in vertically (so that the tracks almost fill up the whole main window top to bottom and then zoom in horizontally.
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Confirmed. I placed mouse over a lower track and zoom so top track goes above arrange view, then do a horizontal zoom, now move mouse over TCP and it draws panel controls on the screen.



Win10 x64

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Another thing, when I go to do the horizontal zoom in arrangeview, notice the item from track one comes into view, ya the arrange view is scrolling up on the very first mouse rotation, but that happens in the release version too, its sort of corner case shit so what ever.

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Confirmed. I placed mouse over a lower track and zoom so top track goes above arrange view, then do a horizontal zoom, now move mouse over TCP and it draws panel controls on the screen.
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Confirming this graphic glitch here too.

Reaper v5.981+dev0812 (32-bit) and Windows XP (32-bit).
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Having trouble duplicating that redraw glitch, though I'm on macOS (away from a Windows machine for the next day or so). Does it do it if you use Ctrl+Shift+Up/Down to do the vzooming?
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Confirmed. I placed mouse over a lower track and zoom so top track goes above arrange view, then do a horizontal zoom, now move mouse over TCP and it draws panel controls on the screen.
confirming here too. dev0817 + win7 x64
it happens only if all steps you describe happen.
to zoom vertically I use CTRL+ mousewheel assigned to "View: Zoom vertically (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)"
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Ya, Exact same thing happens when using shortcut keys to zoom.

Reproduce: Control+Shift+Up until upper track goes above arrange view top, then + key to zoom horizonatally, this causes track1 item to be seen and vu meters get drawn below tracks, then moving mouse over tcp draws stuff on screen.

Seems as soon as I do something that causes the tcp to redraw its back to normal.
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Also did a clean 0817 portable install and it has same problem, when using horizontal zoom the ui first scrolls down a bit (Bug!) and my guess is,.. what you see in TCP is not what you get, because TCP is not getting redrawn?



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# embed FX TCP layout reworking




Will there be a chance to make plugins appear on the left of parameters with knobs (and probably top&bottom)? I guess it would need WALTER additional thing.

I would suggest tcp.fxparm.font. Now it controls [1.font_number 2.fx parameter cell height 3.min width 4.max width] 5th could be 0,1,2,3 to control plugins appear left,right,top,bottom.


In my case I wish to display parameters on grey area and give a plugins space on the left white space.
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