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03-05-2009, 02:04 AM
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"Arrangement" function with Regions
Hi all,
I know i can make regions in Reaper and move them. BUT, sometimes it would be nice to make like a "playlist", say, first play Region 1, then 2, then 1 again. In the very past i used Notator on Atari (yeah ) and it had an arrangement mode doing exactly this. Dont need to be graphical, maybe just a listbox where you can insert your regions in the desired order and it plays them.
Maybe an option to export this playlist as file, or create the result as a new audio track...
Of course, the nicest would be a new Window where you could put your region in a timeline to be played.
What do you think?
Best Dani
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03-05-2009, 02:39 AM
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+1 Good idea
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03-05-2009, 03:38 AM
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Yes PLEASE Justin!
IMO REAPER is great for recordists, mixers. and producers but is still lacking in useful tools for song writers.
Cubase has this (and it's one of its best features IMO).
You set up a 'Play Order track' - this is a simple list that states which section gets played, and how many times it's repeated, before playing the next section in the list.
Sections can overlap.
Once you're 'happy' with the Play Order you 'Flatten' the project. This automatically puts the sections in the correct places on the timeline according to the Play Order.
Once the project is flattened you can then make further additions, edits, etc, to any sections to differentiate them a bit and make the whole song 'flow' better etc.
Given that the majority of music uses repeats of, essentially similar, sections this seems to make total sense as a way of working to me. You work on a very compact project until you're happy-enough with those sections before refining the whole.
A truly great benefit of this is that you can try out completely different arrangements of a song (i.e. verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, etc, or verse, verse, chorus, verse, bridge, etc) just by using a different playlist.
No more copying-and-bloody-pasting-all-over-the-bloody-place.
It's just so quick!
Having multiple playlists available (in the same project) would be just superb - instant comparisons of different basic structures of a song.
You have ONE project... that can have as many different basic versions as you want. AFAIK in REAPER I'd have to have a completely separate project for each version, and it would take a lot of messing about to make each version...
Please Justin - can we have some tools to make it more friendly (and quicker) for us simple types?
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Last edited by Deric; 03-05-2009 at 03:45 AM.
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03-05-2009, 04:59 AM
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+1 to the OP and to Deric's followup.
Reaper's regions are one of the features that are winning me over to it. (And in case anyone's unaware of this, check out the "smooth seek" options at the bottom of the Snap dialog, which allow realtime but, alas, not automated region/marker sequencing.)
Some kind of play order track would be fantastic. It would help close the gap between so-called linear and so-called pattern-based operations. Most songs are pattern based at some level. And all songs are linear when played. The distinction is kind of artificial.
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03-05-2009, 06:35 AM
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+1
that would be great - almost Ableton like.
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03-05-2009, 07:24 AM
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03-09-2009, 11:16 AM
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Maybe similar, but not the same.
Would make Reaper also a perfect tool for eg. arranging commercial spots ec.
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03-09-2009, 01:33 PM
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+1,000,000
That sounds like a BRILLIANT idea.
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03-09-2009, 01:53 PM
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There's been quite a few requests for this in various threads (see mine here with an extra twist), I think it's been forgotten with so many other developments in R3...but I as well would like to see it in the new release. So useful for trying new arrangements etc.
Thanks for the reminder!
Last edited by Bevosss; 03-09-2009 at 02:04 PM.
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03-09-2009, 06:24 PM
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+1
I have absolutely requested this in the past. It's one of the few Cubase features I'm jealous of...
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03-10-2009, 04:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamester
+1
I have absolutely requested this in the past. It's one of the few Cubase features I'm jealous of...
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If it gets done *please* keep in mind the minor oversight in the Cubase method, random recording while in playlist mode. I do understand that there may be complexity involved in a random access playback while recording contiguous audio though... but JCS can do it.
+1.
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03-10-2009, 06:12 PM
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oh yes....
+1
...I remember going out to 'masterlist pro' or something similiar from dogidesign for sound designer2 to do this before protools came along. It was way cool, and i've missed it ever sense.
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05-24-2009, 12:25 AM
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Region playlist pelase!
+1 much needed!
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05-24-2009, 01:26 AM
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+1
It will also be very useful in Live Performance. Great, If we can also assign different regions to Midi Notes.
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05-24-2009, 03:29 AM
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+++++1 would be fantastic
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05-25-2009, 06:18 AM
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+1
I really miss this one from Cubase
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05-25-2009, 07:04 AM
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+7, a fantastic idea
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05-25-2009, 07:27 AM
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+1 from me, too!
Regards,
fladd
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09-09-2009, 11:29 AM
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Yes Please!
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10-14-2009, 03:47 AM
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bump!
+100000
this would complete me! I'd even buy another license just for the sake of supporting this feature!
would love it.
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10-14-2009, 03:52 AM
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is anybody aware of an official feature request made about this in the Issue Tracker?
i can't figure out how to search threads there, so i can't seem to find whether there is one there already about this functionality.
many thanks.
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10-14-2009, 05:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
... but JCS can do it.
+1.
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03-07-2010, 08:29 PM
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+1
Pretty please?
I am migrating from Cubase to Reaper but not without a heavy heart since Reaper does not have a true Arranger track equivelant.
It would be great if Reaper adds spice to the concept.
How about doing it like in some hardware midi sequencers where you can chain 'songs' or patterns and then sequence over the chain on a separate linear timeline? It would be great if, in Reaper we could have a 'cubase-like Arranger' feature where you chain regions and then have the ability to sequence on new tracks linearly over the chained regions. That would be mind-blowing if not completely obvious.
Eg: say you have 5 chainable regions named A, B ,C , D:
The idea would be to say chain 2x A; 1 x C; 4 x B; 10 x D.
Then over that chain you play a lead line that spans the whole chain.
Then you save the re-arrangement as a 'snapshot'. Then you make a new 'snapshot'. When your mind is made up about which one to go with, you 'flatten' the snapshot back into a regular linear sequence.
The idea could be taken further by chaining chains, or chain snapshots etc...a nesting arrangements type of concept.
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03-08-2010, 07:23 AM
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^^^
+100
awesome post
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03-08-2010, 07:34 AM
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+1 here too, would love this feature
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03-08-2010, 05:03 PM
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+1000, thinking about it for a long time
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03-08-2010, 06:01 PM
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http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/markeractions.php
ok NOT perfect but..
although it takes a bit of time to set up the markers but you can save them as a file /marker list that can be recalled at any point in any project and what's even better is that you can save multiple versions and change their ids so it makes it easy to change the order.
The downside is you can't easily repeat the same section.
Also, in case anyone has not discovered this, moving a region (without holding control) moves everything below it, you can even copy this way too. Very powerful especially since it's very easy in Reaper to pop open a new tab of the same song, save it as arrangement 2 and then use your regions to qucikly move bits around and double bits up to see how it sounds.
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03-08-2010, 06:15 PM
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Thanks a lot!
I was on this SWS page just now I will try it, must be great!
thanks again
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03-08-2010, 06:38 PM
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Make sure you go into the quantize settings and turn on the "seek" settings.
That will make sure that the actions don't trigger till the end of the bar, I think you have to put the markers a little before the end of the bar for it to work best but not tried it for a while.
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03-09-2010, 02:30 AM
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+1 Count me in!
One aspect of Ableton I really relate to. This kind of idea just makes sense. I'd love to see it!
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03-09-2010, 02:49 AM
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+1 I'd find this useful
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03-09-2010, 07:41 AM
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If a havn't responded to the previously... +1 I'd love to have this.
And also to have several alternate "play lists" - if you're in an indecisive mode ;-) So you can have easily try different version of a song, jump back and forth...
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03-09-2010, 08:27 AM
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posting in this thread, would like arrangement functions with regions. this functionality would make my "songwriting" process such as it is far more efficient.
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03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
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+1
yes please to region playlist (again). great for editors and composers
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03-11-2010, 05:39 AM
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Yes please to this - As someone using Reaper for remixing, this feature would be great!
I'm sure someone else has said it before, but the facility to add functions like 'loop region 4 times' as part of the playlist would be good too.
Then, if you're happy with what you hear, a function to re-arrange the arrangement to conform to the playlist!
Last edited by karl; 03-11-2010 at 05:50 AM.
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03-11-2010, 08:23 AM
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I'm for it, but not as a substitute for ableton session, I'd still rather have that functionality. Sonar have done it now, could reaper be next?
It would enable a much more creative arrangement process, more about feel than look
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