takes DO NOT SPLIT ITEM (ending of recording them, or inside)
i want only that;
this would better even i have had 100 takes
if one will be glued to end of file
please please please
I thought I was the only one who was really confused about it...
Every time I record new take with midi I always try to go beyond my previous point or otherwise it's gonna create a mess..... =\
plz let's see this in upcoming 6 version..... tho I already asked for too much and I don't think they have enough time to include this one.... on top of that devs stopped reading threads and work on something }=3
p.s I feel like it should not be in FR forum.... this thread should be in the bug section.... cuz no one in their mind would want that "feature" by default.
Same goes for absolutely broken auto-zoom functionality in midi editor.
Takes tend to confuse expectations but are generally easy when we understand their strengths; don't want the split, just drag it away...
Lastly, enable the options to auto color, display take numbers on items and learn to keep them collapsed (CTRL+L) and move between with T and SHIFT+T and your entire life will be much easier - Reaper takes are more powerful than most give credit - because not many make an effort to become fluent with them.
FWIW: I NEVER expand takes, there is no need and regardless of DAW, visibly stacked takes are a PIA, learn to collapse them.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 12-27-2017 at 07:07 AM.
What do you guys envisioning happening rather than the current behavior?
Only to not split the item. Make it an option and everyone is happy. What Heda mentions above I did not know, but it sure doesnt omit the FR. In a real recording situation this is becomes a mess regardless, in the way I work of course.
That must be it because I record fairly complex projects with lots of takes I (think lots of mics on drums) and really have no issue working with multiple takes across multiple tracks and the splits that go with them - actually, I prefer the splits because since I know how they work, I can get rid of them any time I want but early on they are very useful.
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It may be possible for someone to script what I did in the video above - the result is exactly the same as not having splits; then you at least have a button or keyboard shortcut to remove them. I want the splits though as they help me more than impede and I can remove whenever I want, if I want (there are a number of tricks/advantages to them that I don't know how to explain ) - I also am talking about non-grid friendly tracks FWIW.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 12-27-2017 at 07:58 PM.
Reaper takes behaviour and CYCLE RECORDING is not inspiring to work with.It's truly painful when you record, and see all that sloppy takes getting cut in a weird way. I hope devs realize this and fix it someday.
I'm all for improving the take system but I feel like we'll need to be more specific about what we want to happen to the partial takes we record.
So I'm picturing an existing take stack, and a separate recording pass in the middle of that item. Are you guys saying you want that new recording to become a partial, additional take in the item above it? Sort of like when a partial take is recorded in a loop recording pass?
I wish I could convince more people to move away from thinking of and looking at takes as vertical stacks - ugh, that's such an outdated and horrible way to work.
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Are you guys saying you want that new recording to become a partial, additional take in the item above it? Sort of like when a partial take is recorded in a loop recording pass?
Yea exactly, as simple as that. We all work in different ways, punching in vocal takes all over the place and when everything needs to be FAST, all the splits are a mess and is a workflow dehancer.
You want the splits? You think this is the way to go? Good for you, fair enough, make it optional then. I cannot imagine that this is a huge code change.
I wish I could convince more people to move away from thinking of and looking at takes as vertical stacks - ugh, that's such an outdated and horrible way to work.
just no splits, exactly. It's a real mess especially when recording non click based stuff ...
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Originally Posted by sievr
this isnt a solution,
even if is made a empty take till the end
if i select all how i could quick select first one?
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Originally Posted by mlprod
punching in vocal takes all over the place and when everything needs to be FAST, all the splits are a mess and is a workflow dehancer.
So how does this affect comping? Would an improved take system (for you all) involve comping without splitting items? Just trying to picture how this would work. It sounds like you guys are wishing it was more like Logic's non-destructive "Quick Swipe Editing" feature, which I enjoy.
I, too, am interested in improving the take system for fast vocal sessions, so I'm trying to get into the specifics of what a design adjustment would mean.
So how does this affect comping? Would an improved take system (for you all) involve comping without splitting items? Just trying to picture how this would work. It sounds like you guys are wishing it was more like Logic's non-destructive "Quick Swipe Editing" feature, which I enjoy.
Logic's "quick swipe" looks a lot like Tracktion's way. Or vice versa, I suppose.
Also notice, in the video the last take is shorter than the other ones, and the system doesn't care.
I recently found myself using item muting and the "Show overlapping media items in lanes" option just to avoid Reaper's frustrating way of making new comps from previously unrelated items of different lengths.
Would an improved take system (for you all) involve comping without splitting items?
Pro Tools for example allows different item length in different takes (they call it "playlists"). You just create a master playlist in which you copy all parts you wanna have. For click based stuff, you can move the single item parts vertically. For non click based stuff this isn't ideal but it works, too (and definitly better then the current REAPER setting).
For non clickbased stuff, source/destination cut like in Sequoia is the best option available I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh-j3jblSfQ
What's different between Quick Swipe (I've watched the video) and Reaper's split items? Swiping seems to require less clicks and you don't need to heal splits, is that what makes it more convenient to you?
I wish I could convince more people to move away from thinking of and looking at takes as vertical stacks - ugh, that's such an outdated and horrible way to work.
CTRL+L which collapses to a front to back stack like a z-order instead of vertically up and down on the screen. If the takes are auto colored and the take number is on the item (take 1/2 and so on). You can just use T and SHIFT+T to move between takes. It feels funny at first like you might lose something but in the end it's much faster and when collapsed it's easier deal with splits (with multiple takes I'd even say they can be your friend) in a less confusing way similar to the video I included above.
I'm fairly confident I do takes (and subsequent editing) in a multi-track capacity at least as complex as most here and when collapsed it's a whole new world, not to mention visibly cleaner. Takes are just easier and more efficient across the board that way.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 01-06-2018 at 04:15 PM.
It's my least favourite feature of Reaper, easily. Comping multitracked drums is hideous.
*Editing* and manipulating takes/splits with complex mutlitracked drums is very easy, I do it all the time (Justin was ahead of the curve on that one). You may want the "playlists like protools" thread if you are *comping* versions of chosen takes.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 02-28-2018 at 09:30 AM.
I would also prefer it being able to be turned off.
As the alternative behavior, I would suggest, that, if I stop recording a new take earlier than the item-length, Reaper fills that take up with silence until the end of the item.
If anything like that is even necessary.
Without the splitting, I could really use the takes-system for many things, even punch-recording into takes and all that stuff and have it in one item, rather than thousands.
I can live with the option of the "old behavior" still available for those in need, but I want to turn it off.
Hi guys good luck with this, but i was from 2009 wishing and collaborating in this forum to make the takes system more usuable like you are doing now and i think is a lost war becouse the takes system is by design how it is from the begining. They never really change it and the forum is plenty of complaints
I always was making weird mosaics with my takes. That's why i abandoned reaper for big projects during eight years. A few months ago i wanted to come back to see whats new.
I saw a lot of things that they implement from FR "freeze, VCA, etc.." but the takes system doesn't ever change a millimeter.
I have to admit that once you get used to it,thanks to "time selection"/"item" autopunch.. the pain is less strong, and even sometimes i think is not bad at all. But it requires a lot of discipline!
However I wish i can be wrong and it could be changed one day.
Hi guys good luck with this, but i was from 2009 wishing and collaborating in this forum to make the takes system more usuable like you are doing now and i think is a lost war becouse the takes system is by design how it is from the begining.
I don't have a problem with the takes system, I love it and feel most never take time to truly understand it's strengths (they are usually to busy trying to force it be like some other DAW's take system).
Edit: Oops, I thought this was my thread about locking takes, but either way, I feel the same, I'm fine with splits, I know how to use them to my advantage.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 04-08-2018 at 01:45 PM.
Yes there are hints. The new item lanes combined with razor edit could be a great way to organize recording passes. The lanes feature could be expanded to include a master playlist and subordinate takes like pro tools
Yes there are hints. The new item lanes combined with razor edit could be a great way to organize recording passes. The lanes feature could be expanded to include a master playlist and subordinate takes like pro tools
While I am, not likely to use it myself, I am monitoring for a friend of mine and now got lost with the prereleases .
Can you report about the current (pre-)release state of the "lanes feature" ?
takes do NOT split item
) - I also am talking about non-grid friendly tracks FWIW.
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