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Old 05-13-2019, 07:37 AM   #41
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I personally find Reaper´s midi editor quite good and responsive by now...

But one thing still annoys me like hell: the lack of having a fixed horizontal zoom level which makes sense for new items longer than 1 bar (even there it´s silly made but at least useable)

Having a default behaviour which opens a 4 bar item at a zoom level of beats, squashed in 1/3rd of the available screenspace leaving 2/3rd for ...well...NOTHING is nothing but ridiculous...

This alone pushes Reaper´s midi editor back to stoneage for me...
It´s requested by a lot of people since more than 10 years now and still nothing...
I created a KB shortcut action "<" to zoom to the single current MIDI item. I use it all the time.
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Old 05-19-2019, 05:59 AM   #42
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OMG how do you do that zoom-drag in the midi editor???
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OMG how do you do that zoom-drag in the midi editor???


(Also works similarly for navigating the whole arrangement, see category "Project marker/region lane" in that same Mouse Modifiers list.)
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A quick question.

When you are painting notes in the midi editor. Is there a way to lock the midi item's length?. Because if I accidentally go past it, it automatically stretches. A great feature but not what I need.
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In the MIDI editor Options menu, disable "Allow MIDI note edit to extend the media item"
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A quick question.

When you are painting notes in the midi editor. Is there a way to lock the midi item's length?. Because if I accidentally go past it, it automatically stretches. A great feature but not what I need.
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(Also works similarly for navigating the whole arrangement, see category "Project marker/region lane" in that same Mouse Modifiers list.)
The good thing about threads like this is you learn more about the program.

Sometimes I think my workflow is solid and then someone makes a post that makes it more easier.
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Old 05-19-2019, 10:06 AM   #47
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I think just on the surface of things, the midi editor just looks and feels outdated. Yes there are handy tips and tricks to do things and of course in Reaper you can customize your workflow in so many ways....but, its VERY hard to see things clearly in the midi editor and that's just a general theme issue. The color palette, the grid lines, the contrast, everything just feels more difficult to use than it is anywhere else. When you do things in FL for instance, it "feels" much smoother, much easier to see what you're doing. While mostly we make music with our ears, in midi editing, Seeing Is Everything!

I love Reaper, but it is painful to use the piano roll just on looks alone.
I remember reading a tongue in cheek comment many moons ago somewhere on these forums. Something to the effect of: "Justin doesn't really use MIDI, he's mainly an audio guy".

So, essentially. He doesn't really use MIDI so it won't get a lot of updates compared to the audio focus in the DAW. If he needs it fixed or uses it, it'll get the attention
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:31 PM   #48
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(Also works similarly for navigating the whole arrangement, see category "Project marker/region lane" in that same Mouse Modifiers list.)
This is huge! You are my hero!
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:48 PM   #49
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Am i The Only one,That Dont Like Working with Midi In Reaper??

The Midi Editor is SOOO Slow to Work in,That Its a Pain.
Compaired to The Editor in FL,The Midi Editor in Reaper is Miles Behind

its Sad.

On the Other Hand Reaper is Miles Ahead in almost all other Parts.

What's slow about the Midi Editor? It works as fast as I do unlike other daw's midi editors
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:14 PM   #50
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One problem with the Midi editor that would be easy to fix:

Clicking on the Midi Track List, it actually only selects the item being edited in the Main Project window without also selecting the track it's on. So changing the editable track does not link the Record arm even if you auto record arm selected tracks - again because the track never gets selected by any clicking in Midi Track List.

Ideally when you switch midi track you are editing you could hear the right instrument, when the corresponding track gets selected/activated.

Here is how I currently Fudge it (warning it is super complicated for what it is)

1) Set up a macro in Main (Project Window) assigned to shortcut Alt+D
Track: Unarm all tracks for recording
SWS: Select only track(s) with selected item(s)
Xenakios/SWS: Set selected tracks record armed

2) Set up Midi Editor
Misc: Pass through key to main window Alt+D

Yes, for something so basic I am using SWS and Xenakios extensions!

What this means is I can then cycle through the midi track list (using other shortcut keys) and then press this Alt+D shortcut so it will record arm it.
(via this main window fudge)

This could be straightforward with some option like "Link Project Track selection with Midi Track List selection"

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Old 07-09-2019, 06:26 PM   #51
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The MIDI editor has always looked clunky and dated by default. Compared to the look of Cubase for example, it's much sexier.

Dark colors. Solid color theme all looks pro.

Reaper's MIDI editor has a theme. Sure does.

I call it Afterthought 2.0

I know I know I could spend hours customizing my MIDI editor theme colors but seriously, that gets old fast. It needs a makeover. But those who speak that opinion get shunned into oblivion faster than a << insert analogy >>.
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My MIDI editor is dark and easy on the eyes.

You can bet that a full makeover of MIDI editor isn't going to happen. Cockos rarely, if ever does complete makeovers.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:51 AM   #53
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I have to admit that in my case most of my disgruntlement was down to having a perpetuaL "WHY CAN`T THEY DO IT THE WAY i HAVE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES?" mindset.
Once I accepted that reaper was never going to be Bars n Pipes Pro, spent some time re-learning everything I had been doing one way since aout 1983 and READ the bloody manual, I found it a lot easier to deal with Reapers way.
One thing I still find myself avoiding is the inline editor, which to me looks and acts rather clumsily, but there again I think that`s just me.

I would also love to see an arranger app like I used for decades, where you can block select one or multiple bars of one thru all the instrument tracks in a MIDI arrangement, copy and/or cut them & then paste them. I used to be able to bang out an arrangement for a complete basic song in about half a minute once the various elements were in place. Just imagine being able to create all parts for an intro, verse, chorus, one. Then picking up the last two bars of the chorus FOR ALL INSTRUMENTS AT ONCE & rubber stamping them wherever you want them.
O.K. I am expecting a bunch of work-arounds, but still hoping I have missed something in the user manual that allows me to do this NOW.
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My MIDI editor is dark and easy on the eyes.

You can bet that a full makeover of MIDI editor isn't going to happen. Cockos rarely, if ever does complete makeovers.
Yes, but ED. You are an awesome programmer. You took time to create a dark MIDI editor theme. But some of us only wish for it but don't know how to accomplish it. Lucky you

I wish you could share only your midi editor config. Instead of a full theme, for example.

You know?

No makeover indeed
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My MIDI editor is dark and easy on the eyes.

You can bet that a full makeover of MIDI editor isn't going to happen. Cockos rarely, if ever does complete makeovers.
I cry and get so frustrated with my eyes I tried my best but I can't figure out how to get the MIDI notes to have the dark color palette purpley blue shades like a gradient or whatever the default is. It was too much for the average user, imho. That's why I gave up on dark themes because it was always "does the midi editor look exactly how I like"? otherwise, I couldn't use the entire theme.
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try overdubbing/editing a cc or mixed-length note phrase across 2 midi items (one active and 1 inactive) to see what needs to be addressed before aesthetics gets considered.

if the editor bettered handled the above scenarios, it could be pink on brown for all i care.
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Yes, but ED. You are an awesome programmer. You took time to create a dark MIDI editor theme. But some of us only wish for it but don't know how to accomplish it. Lucky you

I wish you could share only your midi editor config. Instead of a full theme, for example.

You know?

No makeover indeed
Technically you could copy over just the MIDI editor settings from the .ReaperTheme file manually... See how it works for ya.

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midi_selbg=12632256
midi_rulerbg=4934475
midi_rulerfg=12632256
midi_grid1=5263182
midi_grid2=2105376
midi_grid3=3223085
midi_trackbg1=5327430
midi_trackbg2=4801087
midi_inline_trackbg1=13158600
midi_inline_trackbg2=12171705
midi_endpt=2631720
midi_notebg=255
midi_notefg=255
midi_notemute=255
midi_notemute_sel=255
midi_itemctl=255
midi_editcurs=8421631
midi_ofsn=2960685
midi_ofsnsel=15263976
midi_pkey1=16777215
midi_pkey2=0
midi_pkey3=6710886
midi_noteon_flash=9943551
midieditorlist_bg=3420722
midieditorlist_fg=12632256
midieditorlist_grid=6316128
midieditorlist_selbg=12632256
midieditorlist_selfg=4934475
midieditorlist_seliabg=12632256
midieditorlist_seliafg=4934475
midi_selbg_drawmode=144128
midifont_col_dark=4210752
midifont_col_light=12632256
midioct=2959656
midioct_inline=11907502
midieditorlist_bg2=4934475
midieditorlist_fg2=12632256
midieditorlist_selbg2=12632256
midieditorlist_selfg2=4934475
midi_selpitch1=6051152
midi_selpitch2=6051152
midi_trackbg_outer1=4472636
midi_trackbg_outer2=4208951
midi_leftbg=4934475
midi_griddm1=196608
midi_griddm2=196608
midi_griddm3=196608
midi_gridh=2105376
midi_gridhc=2105376
midi_gridhdm=147456
midi_gridhcdm=196608
midi_ccbut=12632256
Being an "awesome programmer" has nothing to do with it. Just takes a little bit of patience to adjust the colors to your liking. You could do it in a day for sure.

Also note that you will also need MIDI editor colormap PNG in your theme, to match everything up. And also the colors I use in MIDI editor are matched to the arrange view, so if your arrange view has wildly different colors, of course it won't look very good. This is why you gotta tweak it yourself, to suit yourself.

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Old 07-10-2019, 10:21 AM   #58
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Am i The Only one,That Dont Like Working with Midi In Reaper??

The Midi Editor is SOOO Slow to Work in,That Its a Pain.
Compaired to The Editor in FL,The Midi Editor in Reaper is Miles Behind

its Sad.

On the Other Hand Reaper is Miles Ahead in almost all other Parts.
its true - FLstudio still has the best midi editor around - but the midi editor in reaper is "updated" all the fuckin time
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midi editor in reaper is "updated" all the fuckin time
Technically, sure.
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Technically you could copy over just the MIDI editor settings from the .ReaperTheme file manually... See how it works for ya.

Code:
midi_selbg=12632256
midi_rulerbg=4934475
midi_rulerfg=12632256
midi_grid1=5263182
midi_grid2=2105376
midi_grid3=3223085
midi_trackbg1=5327430
midi_trackbg2=4801087
midi_inline_trackbg1=13158600
midi_inline_trackbg2=12171705
midi_endpt=2631720
midi_notebg=255
midi_notefg=255
midi_notemute=255
midi_notemute_sel=255
midi_itemctl=255
midi_editcurs=8421631
midi_ofsn=2960685
midi_ofsnsel=15263976
midi_pkey1=16777215
midi_pkey2=0
midi_pkey3=6710886
midi_noteon_flash=9943551
midieditorlist_bg=3420722
midieditorlist_fg=12632256
midieditorlist_grid=6316128
midieditorlist_selbg=12632256
midieditorlist_selfg=4934475
midieditorlist_seliabg=12632256
midieditorlist_seliafg=4934475
midi_selbg_drawmode=144128
midifont_col_dark=4210752
midifont_col_light=12632256
midioct=2959656
midioct_inline=11907502
midieditorlist_bg2=4934475
midieditorlist_fg2=12632256
midieditorlist_selbg2=12632256
midieditorlist_selfg2=4934475
midi_selpitch1=6051152
midi_selpitch2=6051152
midi_trackbg_outer1=4472636
midi_trackbg_outer2=4208951
midi_leftbg=4934475
midi_griddm1=196608
midi_griddm2=196608
midi_griddm3=196608
midi_gridh=2105376
midi_gridhc=2105376
midi_gridhdm=147456
midi_gridhcdm=196608
midi_ccbut=12632256
Being an "awesome programmer" has nothing to do with it. Just takes a little bit of patience to adjust the colors to your liking. You could do it in a day for sure.

Also note that you will also need MIDI editor colormap PNG in your theme, to match everything up. And also the colors I use in MIDI editor are matched to the arrange view, so if your arrange view has wildly different colors, of course it won't look very good. This is why you gotta tweak it yourself, to suit yourself.

Ok yassss ED. Thank you.
I love your colors and theme. What mod are you using?
Did you create those MIDI cc buttons in your midi editor toolbar on the far right? Green red cc data buttons. I don't have those.
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Is there even any way to move or edit that insanely tiny crappy MIDI editor transport bar on the bottom by default? It's too small, clunky, and why can't I move it above the editor with my toolbar, similar to the main panel I smile because I'm sad lol
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Yeah I created those buttons (to be used with Julian's CC editing scripts).

Here's the whole theme: https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/2336/ED%20RADO%20v4.rar

You can't do anything with MIDI editor transport, like you can with the main transport. Unfortunately.
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Yeah I created those buttons (to be used with Julian's CC editing scripts).

Here's the whole theme: https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/2336/ED%20RADO%20v4.rar

You can't do anything with MIDI editor transport, like you can with the main transport. Unfortunately.
ED I really do appreciate your help with the theme stash. Thank you. Too bad about the MIDI transport. For now.
Would you mind either telling me how you went about creating the buttons? Maybe I could imitate them
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I'd be curious to hear more specific complaints from people who are unhappy with the midi editor, and I'm fairly confident they can be satisfactorily addressed. I personally have a lot of experience with editing midi in Cubase and Live, and (admittedly to a somewhat lesser degree) with FL and Logic. Granted each one has unique advantages, I ultimately prefer editing midi in Reaper the way I have it set up. How it's configured is a key though because one could be excused for being unimpressed using the default settings. I can understand (even if I can't relate) that some people don't want to mess around with settings and for those people I would absolutely recommend to use anything but Reaper. And that's totally fine, you can make amazing music on any other DAW! But if you're already here, I'm guessing you've got a bit of text-editing-parameter-tweaking-nerd in you, so if you let met know what's bothering you I doubt we can't make it work for you!
Here's one - and if someone has an answer I'd be very grateful! I have yet to find a way to split selected midi notes within the piano roll with one click using a mouse modifier - something very easy in most other DAW's, and something many midi users need to do a lot.

I understand you can place the edit cursor and fire off a shortcut, but this is slower than just clicking (the only way to do this as fast is to hold down the cut shortcut first, then click, which means you are at risk of accidentally cutting whatever your edit cursor is currently over).

You can also use a script to split under the mouse cursor, but this doesn't work on multiple selected midi notes. I may be missing something but I've tried any number of combinations to get this working and have had no luck.

Bonus points if you can get it to select all notes to the right post split, and to not obstruct playback by moving the play cursor during the action.

There is also a vertical line that shows you what you are cutting in other DAW's which is really helpful... someone got some way towards this last year, but there were issues.
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There really isn’t many things that aren’t fixable with customization and scripts. (To argue that it shouldn’t require scripts is a totally separate argument.

The main issues that no one has truly seemed to be able to get around is retaining the midi editor window focus, having a comfortable zoom state save when you exit the editor, and having a good envelope editor INSIDE the midi editor. Everything else that I’ve come across so far has a work around.

At this point I’ve customized the editor and it’s actions to a degree that I could not go to another daw.
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Am i The Only one,That Dont Like Working with Midi In Reaper??

The Midi Editor is SOOO Slow to Work in,That Its a Pain.
Compaired to The Editor in FL,The Midi Editor in Reaper is Miles Behind

its Sad.

On the Other Hand Reaper is Miles Ahead in almost all other Parts.
I feel you!!!!

i don't understand why they don't give it attention...
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its true - FLstudio still has the best midi editor around - but the midi editor in reaper is "updated" all the fuckin time
it isn't not "updating" as fast as needed.

I think that I use reaper 10 years already and the midi still feels like a draft.

FLstudio's midi 10 years ago was better than reaper's midi these days. shame :/
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it isn't not "updating" as fast as needed.

I think that I use reaper 10 years already and the midi still feels like a draft.

FLstudio's midi 10 years ago was better than reaper's midi these days. shame :/
This sounds kind of vague I think.
Maybe make screencaptures to show the issues to give the devs something to work with if you want to have it changed.
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This sounds kind of vague I think.
Maybe make screencaptures to show the issues to give the devs something to work with if you want to have it changed.
i already did many times...

they barely give it attention.
I feel kinda lost because I really thought (10 years ago) that reaper is growing fast and soon it will be the best..

but here we are 10 years ago.

the feature requests project which was something that I really loved is dead
https://forum.cockos.com/project.php...typeid=feature

so much important basic tools are not working perfectly as they should for being basic features.

also there is big lack consistency in reaper.

I'm still waiting for things that could be solved with a little bit attention from the DEVs and make big difference for my flow, and nothing... it still feels sticky like shit...

can you imagine how easy it is to add a "reset tool" option to set at the mouse modifier in order to reset the midi velocity levels in the velocity lane to a default level ?
this could also be done with a script, but for some reason that I can't even guess, they limited the options for "MIDI CC Lane" so it isn't possible to use scripts (choose your own actions from a list) to do this with the mouse clicks directly. (even tho at other context you can use action lists for mouse clicks, again lack of consistency + stuck with the flow.
the only way to do this is to call for an action (active a script) which is super slow and annoying for something that is used all the time.
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another dummy thing

see I choose "edit selected CC events if any, otherwise draw/edit" for left mouse click @ the midi cc lane.
The option seems like a good option but it doesn't really work like this

I want that when I click near the velocity event in the velocity lane, the nearest event will be edited. that's all! why is it so hard to get?!

the last thing that I would ever want is to move the edit cursor when clicky at the velocity lane! sooooo annoooying!!

see the gif:

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the last thing that I would ever want is to move the edit cursor when clicky at the velocity lane! sooooo annoooying!!
you've got me to thank for that, i requested it after being extremely annoyed that it didn't move the edit cursor. you're welcome

what we need is a section for unmodified clicks in the mouse modifiers section
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Old 10-03-2019, 12:48 PM   #72
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I want that when I click near the velocity event in the velocity lane, the nearest event will be edited. that's all! why is it so hard to get?!
This is already possible?

Options->CC/Velocity lane->disable "Edit CC/velocity only when mouse is near the event"

Been there for some time now.

You can also enable "Show note length in lane" here too, then it also looks like in FL.


With some tweaking of mouse modifiers you can actually get pretty close to most important FL piano roll behaviors.
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This is already possible?

Options->CC/Velocity lane-> disable "Edit CC/velocity only when mouse is near the event"

Been there for some months now.

You can also enable "Show note length in lane" here too, then it also looks like in FL.

how?! (without dragging the mouse, just by a click)

"Edit CC/Velocity only when mouse is near event" is already disabled.
still the same buggy issue.

btw I prefer that the default radius for event change by a click will be 1 cm from the back and 1 cm from the front of the each event.

if 2 events are very close o each other so the radius for editing by a click should be be half the way between the 2 events.

it works like a charm in flstudio this way.
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Yeah you'd need to click on the handle and drag, it doesn't work on click in empty area. It's not a bug, just not implemented to work that way.
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Yeah you'd need to click on the handle and drag, it doesn't work on click in empty area. It's not a bug, just not implemented to work that way.
it is not a bug... it is sticky annoying and very lame midi GUI, super clumsy and lack of intuitiveness.

the worst thing is that I wait for things like this 10 years already.

I'm losing it... losing the hope.
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that's a funny way of saying "it doesn't match my preferred workflow"

but i agree that aiming the mouse at tiny targets is never ideal. luckily there are several ways to edit velocity.
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I don't find it sticky, editing velocities is pretty easy in Reaper IMHO with these options. Can even sweep through many events easily.

But by all means keep using what feels most comfortable to YOU.
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I want a superb midi editor, not just an ok working midi editor.
I need to write down my ideas as fast as possible and try them without losing so much time, because most of time the first idea is not the best one and you want to start over again, and if it's not a fast and fun tool, you will most likely compromise eventually due to the time it costs to change things on the flow.

even a simple hi hat pattern can cost precious time when your tools are not as good. I need an awesome midi editor, not just an OK midi editor.

take a look how quick I can control flstudio and thats when I use it only once in 1 week or so (because I try to stick to one DAW - reaper)...flstudio's pianoroll is so intuitive that by the usual ctrl/shift/alt keys+mouse combinations I can control the events in a perfect way for everything I will ever need from a pianoroll to do for me and the fastest.

alt + left drag - reset to defaut.
shift + left drag - drag the whole events to the same velocity level (like choosing on the flow the "default" velocity). super useful!
right click drag - make a ramp
clicks change the events as naturally expected.
everything just flow...

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You shouldn't post identical things to different threads. It's not nice.
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You shouldn't post identical things to different threads. It's not nice.
it fits for both threads perfectly, and i want to share it.

PS- After 10 years of waiting I became a little bit paranoid about this, I'm afraid that justin and schwa barely watch these threads, I'm afraid that they will never see and give it attention and the world won't be as good as it could be.
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