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RaspBerry Pi 3 B+ / REAPER
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What's the "best" OS for RPi 3 B+ to run REAPER on ? Ubuntu Mate or perhaps the Windows 10 IoT ? Clear me up (((::: - zERGEi W - |
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Certainly not the Windows 10 thing...
It isn't even a complete OS. It's just a way to run some scripts on something that acts a bit like Windows. You can't install an application like Reaper on it, just dedicated scripts. Personally, I'd go with Raspbian, as this seems the most compatible. And it's Debian underneath, so you can customise to your liking.
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On the SDHC card I setup for use with REAPER, I used Raspbian, but found a post on another forum how to switch it's desktop to xfce.
I also made the same tweaks to user priority and memory use as on my desktop. To test it I temporarily plugged my Behringer UMC1820 into the Pi, and did a quick test recording four drum tracks in a single take along with some guitar and bass. It's sloppy coz my phones weren't loud enough for drums, but it did prove the concept of using a Pi to do multi-track recording. Last edited by Glennbo; 07-13-2019 at 10:51 AM. |
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https://makingstuffwork.net/technolo...pi-with-xfce4/ As for the user tweaks, this thread gets into the realtime priority and memory limits, which like I mentioned I did on both my desktop and Raspberry Pi. https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=210390 |
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Haven't tried it for Reaper, but https://dietpi.com/ is a smashing debian based SBC distro.
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C'os I'm having drop-outs every 5 secs recording to the SD-card a single track at a time . Only record monitoring enabled and no realtime fx at all . Still even the click is unstable . I'm on Ubuntu Mate, for now ... As a matter of fact, the whole OS is extremely sluggish ... even web browsing (though I'm using Midori) and in general so I'm looking for alts. What about this ; https://blokas.io/modep/ Can it be used for DAW-tasks or is it just for fx-processing ? My audio-interface is a Zoom G2Nu and I'm using ALSA, Jack fails on REAPER !?! - zERGEi - |
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VST's that are ARM compiled and for Raspberry OS's
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raspbery pi....and i think they are looking for the Raspbian ARM OS or Ubuntu MATE (ARM) https://www.kvraudio.com/news/overto...rry-pi-3-36934 https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq6 does anybody have a comprehensive list of VST's that are Raspberry Pi compatable? I think that most of them are looking for Raspbian OS (ARM) and since Raspbian OS can be loaded onto many other tiny computers like ORANGE PI computers .....i am quite interested. Has anybody ever got the "JOST" VST host working on Pi?........it's a VST HOST on ARM that does not use "wine" in any way.... http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Jost/ thanks Vince. |
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To run Windows executables in ARM you would need to use a CPU hardware emulator, that supposedly would degrade the performance by at least a factor of ten. This does not seem to make much sense for audio. -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 07-30-2019 at 06:52 AM. |
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The OverTone DSP plug-ins for Raspberry Pi are not available at the present time - demand for the Pi versions proved negligible. We may port them to e.g. Pi4 if there is sufficient demand in future. They were developed / tested using Ubuntu MATE 32Bit on a Pi 3
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My opinion only, but I would say Debian or Raspbian. I don't know if Raspbian has RT Kernels available, but I do know that they are available in Debian for the RPi boards. If Raspbian has RT kernels, it is probably going to be the best because the OS is custom designed for the Rpi boards. Otherwise, Debian would be best. Again, this is just my opinion. :-)
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My main gripe with Audacity is that it only supports 2 outputs, stereo. And that's it.
For the rest, it's pretty awesome.
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Still has services and registry and all that. I only know because I have a handful of them running and one is my main alarm control panel and have written apps for them off and on since it came out.
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I have another SDHC setup with LibreELEC that boots straight up into Kodi where I can then access libraries of recorded television (from a MythTV server with an 8 HDHomerun Ethernet tuner farm), pictures, video, music on my local network. Very handy on the second monitor, and it uses CEC over HDMI so the remote from the TV monitor it's plugged into, runs Kodi's interface. So what do I get if I setup Windows IOT on yet another SDHC card? Last edited by Glennbo; 07-31-2019 at 07:58 PM. |
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I use as much Angular on Electron lately though. Which will deploy to Windows, Linux, Pi (Debian) and Mac. For me, the platform I use usually comes down to what I'm going to be dealing with and I'm the most familiar with.... based on whatever it is I need to do - sometimes it's none of those and C on an ESP8266 or Arduino instead. Depends on the need.
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For REAPER though, I'd run Raspbian with the tweaks I linked in an earlier post. Using xfce on it seems more nimble on my Pi 3 B+, but takes some steps to get running. With or without the xfce desktop the solid milled aluminum heatsink enclosure I use gets pretty warm, so I know it's getting a workout. It's one of these. Edit: I wonder if the stuttering issue mentioned in an earlier post might be a thermal CPU throttling issue. Last edited by Glennbo; 07-31-2019 at 08:39 PM. |
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AFAIK, the cost-free Windows IoT lacks the GUI API, but the payed version does provide it. Hence it should be "a standard Windows 10 for ARM" and there could be a Reaper version for same. Is there really a Windows IoT for RasPi ? -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 08-01-2019 at 05:17 AM. |
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Hmm. My statement results from research i did some years ago.
But if you are right, what is the difference between the free and the payed for Windows IoT ? (In fact I don't see why "embedded" should force "No Gui". It makes a lot of sense to use e.g. Remote Desktop with an embedded networked ("IoT") device, e.g. for configuration and service. -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 08-01-2019 at 08:39 AM. |
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The free one is ARM/Pi etc. and the others will run regular apps as well as UWP (universal) Apps - A quick check shows they have changed things around a bit making it more confusing by bringing older embedded OS's etc. under the IoT umbrella. I've been using the IoT/Arm releases since 2015 IIRC when it was the only IoT there was and the one I'm speaking of. Something new that makes it more confusing is Server 2019 also has a headless version that carries the core name.
To be clear, there is a GUI on the headless versions but not a desktop/file explorer that we are used to - it's just an app that lets you config some things. No desktop is what I mean by headless. The first headless core server version was Server 2008 but would need to check.
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My resrach at that timed yielded (regarding X64 hardware):
The free version only could run command-line type of programs, that don't use the GUI API. (We tested this) The payed for version can run normal Windows programs. (We did not test this.) -Michael |
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You might want to mention the exact product you are discussing so we are on the same page since as I said earlier, the terms "core" and "IoT" have been munged as of late but nevertheless anything in this thread about Windows 10 IoT is for the ARM version which allows GUI apps - all others are irrelevant. Are you at all familiar with the process of deploying a UWP app with GUI to Win10 IoT ARM? If so, what steps did you use?. You are probably conflating versions best I can tell but here we're talking about Win10 IoT ARM for Pi3 or are conflating Win32 apps with UWP apps.
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My early version of my alarm control panel running a GUI (UWP app) on Pi3/Windows 10 IoT:
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We agree that we disagree:
I think we agree that the free "Core" version does not provide a standard Windows GUI API. Neither on X64 nor on ARM Also we agree that you can do a kind of GUI with other means than using the standard Windows GUI API, using Core as well on X86 as on ARM. I juist claim to have read (back then) that you con use the standard Windowe GUI API with the payed version Of Windows 10 IoT for X64 (which supposedly is what once had been the Windows "embedded" distribution that was a standard distribution with the ability to strip off everything you don't need). Hence standard Windows programs should be runnable. I don't claim to know anything at all about the payed version for ARM, nor do I have any intention (up til now) to do any development with same (or with the payed version on X64). Also I am not interested in doing UWP. I'd either use Linux (for new projects) or would stick to the Windows GUI API (with whatever OS) when porting legacy programs, currently running on standard Windows boxes. (or use no GUI whatsoever). -Michael |
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But you can write GUI applications on Pi/Win10 IoT FREE all day long.
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I'm getting the vibe that "standard Windows GUI API" is the sticky wicket here.
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Yea, he's on about the headed part (desktop/control panel et al) but I made that distinction a couple of posts in so.
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That's exactly what it is for and why I use it - I do a lot of stuff like that - the IoT industry is predicted to hit 123 billion by 2021 - my only regret is not being more invested in it (both by doing and by $$) way back in 2014 when I first got into it.
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Maybe one day we'll have a headless Pi version of REAPER coded for Windows IoT.
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That's why I said there probably was no need for you (and most anyone else here) to have interest in it... It's nothing to do with music. I only chimed in because Cyrano said it was something windows like you can only run scripts on but that's inaccurate. MinWin is a hint as to the root of all this which goes years back which was breaking all the links between the GUI and bottom of the OS...
https://betanews.com/2009/12/02/mark...re-of-windows/
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There seems to be about zero interest in it on the RPi forum. And everybody is wondering when/if a Pi4 version will be ready...
Hec. Ataris are also still alive. Somehow.
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And to me "headless" is qualifying the hardware to not featuring an always accessible general purpose monitor / mouse / keyboard interface. But that does not (and IMHO should not) pervent being able to access your software via Remote Desktop, or VNC, or "X" or ... . All these require the OS to provide the Desktop API to the user programs. With Linux (e.g. on a RasPI running Debian) this is not a problem at all. In most (low volume distribution) cases the graphics hardware is provided, anyway. Hence a decent embedded (which now is called "IoT") OS should feature an optionally activateable "Desktop" API (including widget set library etc), that can be provided with an optional binding to Graphics hardware (if available, like e.g. on a RasPI), but also runnable without graphics hardware (supposedly only with highly dedicated hardware manufactured in high volume). -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 08-01-2019 at 10:26 PM. |
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There are also several projects that place several dozen Pis on a network that allow students to develop software intended to run on large scale super-computing arrays without having to pay for time on those systems until they are sure their project is ready to run. In short, they are great any time you need something easy to deploy that you don't really care if it frys itself or not. I'd never run Reaper on one, though. |
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