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Old 03-05-2023, 11:05 AM   #1
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Default v6.77+dev0305 - March 5 2023

v6.77+dev0305 - March 5 2023
  • * Includes feature branch: crossfade new recording with existing media items if configured
  • * Includes feature branch: video from background projects
  • * Includes feature branch: FX containers
  • * Includes feature branch: improvements to aligning takes after recording
  • * Includes feature branch: arrange view override mouse modifier sections
  • * Includes feature branch: toolbar armed/special animations
  • * Includes feature branch: pooled and unpooled ARA edits
  • * Includes feature branch: fixed lane comping
  • * Includes feature branch: shortcut import/export improvements and multiple main keyboard sections
  • * Includes feature branch: preview item selection for grouped tracks
  • * Includes feature branch: GR metering as embedded UI for third-party VSTs
  • * Includes feature branch: media item fixed lanes
  • + Input FX: always run FX on input while FX UI is open
  • + MIDI: improve UI performance when deleting many items that are open in the same editor
  • + MIDI: snap edge edits to start/end points of unlooping but pooled MIDI items
  • + Project tabs: doubleclick empty area in tab list to create new tab [t=263589]
  • + Render: display peaks for the file that is selected in render statistics list view
  • + Render: fix displaying extra rows in render statistics when using secondary render format and rendering multiple files [t=276837]
  • + Snap: do not snap to phantom loop points of non-looping items [t=276830]
  • + Track panels: improve tooltips for FX bypass button with no FX
  • # Elastique: tweak channel allocation for 2.x high channel counts
  • # FX containers: disable dock/close window menu context menu items
  • # FX containers: fixed UI issues when docked
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Old 03-05-2023, 11:13 AM   #2
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+ Input FX: always run FX on input while FX UI is open


Could we extend this area to have this option too from this FR? Thanks!

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=273647

So that with a new option enabled, even if reaper is set to not process run fx when stopped. If the GUI is open then the vst can still run properly.

Right now it causes crashes and misfunctions with vsts like kontakt and a few others that won't load right unless the track is also armed or reaper is actually playing.

If all it took was the GUI to be open for these VSTs to run normally then it would be a great speed up for workflow.
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# FX containers: fixed UI issues when docked

Thanks! No problems my end now.
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+ Project tabs: doubleclick empty area in tab list to create new tab [t=263589]

Thankyouthankyouthankyou. [Edit] Brilliant on the comp markers, too.
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Old 03-05-2023, 12:43 PM   #5
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Love the way Fixed Lanes are turning out!

Mentioned this before so maybe not a big deal, but if Max Vert Zoom setting is set to 260% or more, then the Lane number area doesn't scroll (dragging vert scrollbar thumb up/down in gif).

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+ Project tabs: doubleclick empty area in tab list to create new tab [t=263589]
Nice! Would it be possible to also add "+" button, so you remember you can add tabs? Otherwise we can forget.
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FX-Container:

1.) It would be great if keyboard-shortcuts could be used to add an FX inside of the Container --> it always looses focus when I try to add an FX via shortcut.


2.) Another thing I was thinking about is, if we maybe could get a sub-menu inside of the right-click menu in the Mixer-Inserts (right click on Container FX --> so we could open contained FX from the Mixer-Inserts.) Maybe also when clicking right-click on the green TCP and Mixer Track FX-Icon.
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Hello,
Sorry for being thick, but could anyone tell what is FX containers, ad where to find it?
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Sorry for being thick, but could anyone tell what is FX containers, ad where to find it?
Open up the plugin window, look under 'all'.
You will find 'container' as the first option.
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FX-Container:

1.) It would be great if keyboard-shortcuts could be used to add an FX inside of the Container --> it always looses focus when I try to add an FX via shortcut.


2.) Another thing I was thinking about is, if we maybe could get a sub-menu inside of the right-click menu in the Mixer-Inserts (right click on Container FX --> so we could open contained FX from the Mixer-Inserts.) Maybe also when clicking right-click on the green TCP and Mixer Track FX-Icon.
Yeah, agreed!
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Old 03-05-2023, 01:59 PM   #11
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It would be great to have the possibility to have an option to open the FX window when we click (left) on the TCP FX list, too. Or to have a mouse modifier for the TCP FX list.
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Love the way Fixed Lanes are turning out!

Mentioned this before so maybe not a big deal, but if Max Vert Zoom setting is set to 260% or more, then the Lane number area doesn't scroll (dragging vert scrollbar thumb up/down in gif).

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I'm still hoping that we get the ability at some point (when the height is low enough) to not only have the fixed lanes collapse down to the soloed lane (or maybe all soloed lanes) but also have scroll bars and a way to zoom (unless that's already an option and I missed it!)

the solo button already collapses to a single one and if the lane did this as well it would be super tidy. I'm sure it will come though!
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Some issue when stretching an item in comp lane with RE.

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Open up the plugin window, look under 'all'.
You will find 'container' as the first option.
Thank you, but I'm really feeling dumb : unless i'm missing something obvious, it doesn't seem to be either here :

or there :
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Thank you, but I'm really feeling dumb : unless i'm missing something obvious, it doesn't seem to be either here :
FX browser -> All plugins -> just above Video processor.
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AH, yes, I get it
Thank you!
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What happen to auto lane numbering, is this an optional setting somewhere now and off by default?
New fixed lane track, drag some media into add-bar, or record, lanes are no longer numbered.
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I thought for a second that this should fix this old bug(?).

You can freely extend an item and midi notes inside when Loop source disabled but you can't when it's pooled.
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The behavior to unsync editable areas while moving an item in comp lane has changed again.



The item is always restoring it's position, can't we also have the opposite like the item in comp lane to reflect its size to the comp areas, so then hopefully comp areas could be restored by the size of the item in comp lane and not get trimmed?
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It seems like an open question what should happen when editing an item in a comp lane that is part of an editable comp area. In the current build, an editable comp area means "no matter what happens, this comp area will always force the comp lane to look like the source lane."
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It seems like an open question what should happen when editing an item in a comp lane that is part of an editable comp area. In the current build, an editable comp area means "no matter what happens, this comp area will always force the comp lane to look like the source lane."
Ok, I got used to unsync and felt quite nice to be honest.

Can't find a reason personally for the existing behavior but could be wrong. But as I'm using a lot editing there's been time that editable areas were not always closed. Maybe after edits to continue comping something else, then moved an item in comp lane and got deleted from the forgotten editable area.
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Copying lane area with Razor Edit works but the original source then looses their comps. (Works in 0224)

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Will check tomorrow better, but with this dev version, after closing and reopening REAPER, ASIO drivers for my Fireface UC are no longer found...

I get an "Error getting samplerate" dialog box.

This even after rebooting and recycling the Audio interface...

In the OS (Windows) it works well still, only REAPER - and/or RME ASIO drivers - are not working.

More attempts soon...

EDIT: even REAPER release 6.77 has the issue.

I guess something has gone pretty bad regarding RME ASIO drivers...

EDIT 2: after reinstalling RME drivers everything seems back - phew.
First time ever though that I had to do this...

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Drag+copy an area with RE removes the initial area. Tt would be useful if this could be improved so the initial area stays in place after copy.

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Nice! Would it be possible to also add "+" button, so you remember you can add tabs? Otherwise we can forget.
This seems to me a more standard/familiar UX than double-click next to tab

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You can freely extend an item and midi notes inside when Loop source disabled but you can't when it's pooled.
Ouch. Does a BR exist for this?
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I thought for a second that this should fix this old bug(?).

You can freely extend an item and midi notes inside when Loop source disabled but you can't when it's pooled.

We don't allow it on pooled items because extending the item accidentally would often break looped pooled items unintentionally.
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Thanks devs, item deletion is definitely a bit snappier with the MIDI editor open in this build - not getting as much of the the 'deleting one by one' effect anymore and it's quicker overall!

One thing I have noticed is that while 'Media item selection is linked to visibility' is checked, and the MIDI editor is open, when drawing a marquee box around several items, the marquee selection seems to lag (example attached, you can see the lag starting from 0:02). This doesn't happen when 'Media item selection is linked to visibility' is turned off. Feels like it's something to do with while the MIDI editor is loading the midi items, the marquee box UI lags?


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I don't know if it's the right time to suggest this, but since you work on FX containers, what about allowing sends after a specific FX (or FX container) instead of just "Post-FX" (which means after all the FX chain).

Thanks for considering it.
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I don't know if it's the right time to suggest this, but since you work on FX containers, what about allowing sends after a specific FX (or FX container) instead of just "Post-FX" (which means after all the FX chain).

Thanks for considering it.
It wouldn't make more sense. If FX containers will be implemented, you wouldn't need such sends, because each container should has its own channels and it is already possible to send different stereo pairs.
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If there is no way to restore out comp areas while editing, could we please have another option for lanes that would enhance this feature?

Here's a gif from the old Cubase feature that I was heavily using for editing. The way it works is that every item in the lowest level is always audible. This allows us to be creative with editing without comping on. If we had this feature we could comp first our material, then turn comping of and continue editing in lanes. Or just turn lanes on and this option to experiment with any kind of source.
This feature kind of works like "items always replace earlier items" but this happens vertically across lanes. Imagine using different sources to experiment and blend them together, it's a different creative process.

I really miss this flexibility and people who didn't use it might not get it how useful this was.
Could there be a similar option to change mode when we're using lanes without comping?
It would be really awesome....


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It wouldn't make more sense. If FX containers will be implemented, you wouldn't need such sends, because each container should has its own channels and it is already possible to send different stereo pairs.
No, it still would be useful, because I want sometimes to send processed signal but before Reasurround, for instance.
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No, it still would be useful, because I want sometimes to send processed signal but before Reasurround, for instance.
I didn't mean it is not useful at all, I was talking in context of FX containers. But maybe you're right.
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Love the way Fixed Lanes are turning out!

Mentioned this before so maybe not a big deal, but if Max Vert Zoom setting is set to 260% or more, then the Lane number area doesn't scroll (dragging vert scrollbar thumb up/down in gif).
I can't reproduce this. Is this a custom theme?
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If there is no way to restore out comp areas while editing, could we please have another option for lanes that would enhance this feature?

Here's a gif from the old Cubase feature that I was heavily using for editing. The way it works is that every item in the lowest level is always audible. This allows us to be creative with editing without comping on. If we had this feature we could comp first our material, then turn comping of and continue editing in lanes. Or just turn lanes on and this option to experiment with any kind of source.
This feature kind of works like "items always replace earlier items" but this happens vertically across lanes. Imagine using different sources to experiment and blend them together, it's a different creative process.

I really miss this flexibility and people who didn't use it might not get it how useful this was.
Could there be a similar option to change mode when we're using lanes without comping?
It would be really awesome....

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I don't know if it's the right time to suggest this, but since you work on FX containers, what about allowing sends after a specific FX (or FX container) instead of just "Post-FX" (which means after all the FX chain).
This is simply doable e.g. by having the container output on a dedicated set of channels.

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For now it works only if active project has no video items.
But if there are muted video items or a muted track with video the feature doesn't work.
So it's not so flexible and amazing as it could be
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This is simply doable e.g. by having the container output on a dedicated set of channels.

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Thanks, I didn't know that. So it works like current FX chains.

In an ergonomic way of thinking, wouldn't be more suitable to choose "send after ReaEQ" instead of "send channels 7/8 because I set my parallel ReaEQ out channels to 7/8"?

Maybe an alias system would be useful? I don't know. What do you think about that? The system seems quite flexible, but I have the impression that it could be optimized in terms of ergonomy.
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We don't allow it on pooled items because extending the item accidentally would often break looped pooled items unintentionally.
Oh that's very interesting. Can you elaborate on exactly what goes wrong with the looped pooled items? Do looped MIDI items have trouble with notes not triggering the note stop message within the loop?
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Thanks devs, item deletion is definitely a bit snappier with the MIDI editor open in this build - not getting as much of the the 'deleting one by one' effect anymore and it's quicker overall!
Yup, I noticed the same here. I tested with the same Reaper_6-73_SlowDeleteMIDI_TestProject you posted earlier and this time it was noticeably faster on my end. Even including the item selection to Undo, which affected my earlier tries didn't seem to have effect on the deleting speed. It's still not totally instant, nor I would even expect that, but definitely not the slow one-by-one process it was earlier. Nice, thanks for this.
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