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Old 07-06-2020, 12:57 PM   #1
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v6.12+dev0706 - July 6 2020

  • + Media explorer: actions to insert on a new track create a new track after the last touched track
  • + Mixer: option to group FX parameters below inserts
  • + Render/recording: add $date wildcard
  • + Track panels: FX/sends/FX parameters now use scrollbars rather than scroll buttons
  • # Metadata: support additional XMP metadata
  • # WALTER: 8th parameter of list font field is used for scrollbar size
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:34 PM   #2
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+ Mixer: option to group FX parameters below inserts
And the dragon goes back to his den, saving his flame spewing for a different occasion.


Thank you for preserving workflows!


EDIT: But it doesn't look as it did before, when parameters had their own section? Why? This still messes up the look of MCP in old projects. Certain skins have been made with exactly this separation between FX slots and FX parameters in mind... These are all important things.

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Old 07-06-2020, 01:41 PM   #3
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v6.12+dev0706 - July 6 2020[*]+ Track panels: FX/sends/FX parameters now use scrollbars rather than scroll buttons
We can show sends on TCP now? How?

EDIT: Ok sorry I understood "Track panels" it`s MCP and TCP together. Still dream about sends in TCP.

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Old 07-06-2020, 01:43 PM   #4
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Bug: mousewheel on the new scrollbar for FX slots/params doesn't work in TCP - works fine in MCP.
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:45 PM   #5
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Bug: when sends are not shown in MCP at all, the scrollbar for FX slots/params is always filled as if there's nothing to scroll (even if there is a lot to scroll there). Or something similar to that. Anyways - the filled area of the scrollbar doesn't correctly showcase how much is there to scroll, based on number of parameters displayed etc. Calculation needs to be improved.
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:51 PM   #6
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Thanks devs!

Also, not sure if this started in last few patches or not but if I try to use the action "FX: Show/hide track control for last touched FX parameter" by going to a floating FX, moving the parameter and then pressing a keyboard shortcut. It doesn't work unless I go back and click on the track the fx is on again.

It would be great if it worked straight away even if the plugin is focused.

This might be some kind of plugin pass through of the keyboard but I don't seem to have that active and it's doing this on just ReaEQ.
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Old 07-06-2020, 02:12 PM   #7
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Bug: mousewheel on the new scrollbar for FX slots/params doesn't work in TCP - works fine in MCP.
Confirmed, but rotating mouse-wheel forward scrolls left, but backward scroll doesn't do anything here. Win10 x64
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[*]+ Media explorer: actions to insert on a new track create a new track after the last touched track
One more thing - it should unselect all tracks and select only that new one. Exactly the same as with "Insert new track" standard action.
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v6.12+dev0706 - July 6 2020[*]+ Track panels: FX/sends/FX parameters now use scrollbars rather than scroll buttons
Thanks for the scrollbars! It's nice to scroll faster the parameters, but please can you also add the scroll buttons on start/end of the scrollbar?
Because it is also useful and easy to scroll to each parameter with the arrows.

One thing that i don't like from the scrollbars, is that they are too thin and not easy to see on the eye.
Also when the Tcp parameters are alligned horizontally, the scrollbar is very close to the FX and parameters, as shown in the gif.
Imo it should be a bit more down of the parameters to stand out better.

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Old 07-06-2020, 02:45 PM   #10
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The new scrollbar is really nice and seems to lead to good usability as well.

Bugs with custom themes:
- there are those circles on the right side of fx slots
- when the fx slot is bypassed, it goes black (it is supposed to be orange here)
- could you take the initial scrollbar color from another existing element in themes that do not have it defined? A good candidate would be maybe time selection or marquee color. It will be more likely that the color will be alright at the first time.

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Old 07-06-2020, 02:46 PM   #11
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# WALTER: 8th parameter of list font field is used for scrollbar size
Doesn't change anything here.
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Old 07-06-2020, 02:50 PM   #12
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+ Mixer: option to group FX parameters below inserts
ok couldn't find it at first, only available in actions, not (yet) in Options menu: Mixer: Group FX parameters below FX inserts

+ Track panels:
FX/sends/FX parameters now use scrollbars rather than scroll buttons
tcp sends? a typo??

And great, now the mouse wheel is also active on TCPfx, but buggy here as well on mac; can only scroll left, and not right.. vertical scroll is working fine.

Theme:
– Again, I really wish we could have an entry, exclusively for TCP FX: Text color norm/byp/off.
– As noted in the picture: Mixer text; normal isn't working (here)

Default 6 theme, @2x
@White Tie, I have a couple of observations, just for your consideration;

– Scroll bars are extremely small size on Retina, very hard to see and grab
– Text inside TCPfx slots are suddenly left aligned, I also noticed this on some v5 themes.
– master.tcp.meter, 'flipped' height appear not to be correctly scaled @2x




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It's nice to scroll faster the parameters, but please can you also add the scroll buttons on start/end of the scrollbar?
I don't think they would serve a purpose since they would have to be tiny.
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Bug scrolling with the mousewheel.

Vertical scrollbar, scrolls to both directions with the mousewheel, where horizontal scrollbar scrolls only to one direction as shown in the gif.

And also you can see how close to the parameters are the scrollbars, both horizontal and vertical.

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Text "Show parameters in track panel: FX Name" could be shortened just to "Show parameters: Fx name". Also notice the unnecessary width of this rightclick menu.

I propose a slight reorganisation of the parameter menu software-wise: put bypass and wet on top and a separator after them. They are native and present in each plugin, so they are probably the most used ones. On the other hand "All parameters" is kind of an overkill in most situations, so it can go to the bottom:

Bypass
Wet
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params
params
params
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Could columns in render metadata window be sortable? Also, there are missing separators from both sides of Format column.

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Old 07-06-2020, 03:22 PM   #17
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Hello friends.

Honestly, I prefer the original idea of placing the TCP FX's starting from the right.

In this way, the workflow would be streamlined by being closer to the editing area.

There would be hundreds of shortened moves to go find certain FXs.


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Search options in ME should have their own dropdown menu next to the search box.



Also, there should probably be "Clear" button.
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+ Mixer: option to group FX parameters below inserts
ok couldn't find it at first, only available in actions, not (yet) in Options menu: Mixer: Group FX parameters below FX inserts.
It's in the MCP right-click menu, when you click in the area with no tracks. It's not in the main Options menu.
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MeldaProduction plug-ins now do not crash Reaper.

But the text in the MCP is still white, for the FX names:

It was OK (black) in v6.11

The text is white in the FX inserts in the TCP too.

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Edit: Resolved in v6.12+dev0708.
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[*]+ Mixer: option to group FX parameters below inserts
This now affects only MCP. But wouldn't it be better if also TCP was affected / have similar option?

At least these two (which are really supposed to be the same IMO), would be more united.
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I just want the separate section for FX params in MCP to return
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Hello friends.

Honestly, I prefer the original idea of placing the TCP FX's starting from the right.

In this way, the workflow would be streamlined by being closer to the editing area.

There would be hundreds of shortened moves to go find certain FXs.


Cheers.

hi, what is that in the top left of your image? (the column with instruments listed)
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hi, what is that in the top left of your image? (the column with instruments listed)
it looks like spk77 track tags
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Is there a reason offline FX disappear completely in the MCP now? You can only see the plugin name if you hover over it. This is kind of a problem for me. Yes, they are offline but I still need to see what plugins are on what track.

Is this by design? I'm not sure what the reasoning here would be.
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It would be better if you click create new database in Media Explorer then create one after the last touched shortcut, rather then at the end of the list.

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v6.12+dev0706 - July 6 2020

[LIST][*]+ Media explorer: actions to insert on a new track create a new track after the last touched track
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Thank you!!! Much appreciated.


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And the dragon goes back to his den, saving his flame spewing for a different occasion.


Thank you for preserving workflows!


EDIT: But it doesn't look as it did before, when parameters had their own section? Why? This still messes up the look of MCP in old projects. Certain skins have been made with exactly this separation between FX slots and FX parameters in mind... These are all important things.
Agreed. The look of old projects is one issue. The big one for me though is that we can't show/hide fx parameters individually per track, so this is still a step backwards in functionality currently.
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Default media explorer tempo match out of sync

I've noticed at some point in the last few dev versions, the media explorer is playing back very slightly out of sync when previewing loops with tempo match on.

An easy way to test this -

1. Open M/E, tick tempo match, autoplay and start on bar.

2. Choose a loop and import it with tempo match on, make sure it starts on the grid.

3. Start playback from one or two bars before the imported loop, and them trigger the SAME loop to preview in the media explorer so that the imported loop and the previewed loop start at the same time.

4. You will hear the 'flamming' between the two loops, it's not the subtle phasing of a few samples difference, to my ears it sounds like a good 5-10 ms of difference.
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We've got so much metadata, informational, organizational etc. things recently. That's really great
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add $date wildcard
Is there any technical constrain to not implement, folder name and parent folder name in wildcards?
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Bugs with custom themes:
- there are those circles on the right side of fx slots

Confirmed on my theme
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MeldaProduction plug-ins now do not crash Reaper.

But the text in the MCP is still white, for the FX names:

It was OK (black) in v6.11

The text is white in the FX inserts in the TCP too.
I would struggle to read that if it were black text on a grey background. Don`t think I am alone in this, so maybe make it an option if possible?
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I've noticed at some point in the last few dev versions, the media explorer is playing back very slightly out of sync when previewing loops with tempo match on.

An easy way to test this -

1. Open M/E, tick tempo match, autoplay and start on bar.

2. Choose a loop and import it with tempo match on, make sure it starts on the grid.

3. Start playback from one or two bars before the imported loop, and them trigger the SAME loop to preview in the media explorer so that the imported loop and the previewed loop start at the same time.

4. You will hear the 'flamming' between the two loops, it's not the subtle phasing of a few samples difference, to my ears it sounds like a good 5-10 ms of difference.
Cant confirm that exact situation, but can confirm timing issues on this latest build for sure.
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It's in the MCP right-click menu, when you click in the area with no tracks. It's not in the main Options menu.
Sometimes I find it confusing that the options are at a lot of different places. Sometimes it's right mouse click on MCP/TCP, other times it's else were, etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just place an options button at every section with all the options at reach? It would make things more defragmented and easier to remember where to go to find an option.
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hi, what is that in the top left of your image? (the column with instruments listed)
Hi D.gauss.

It is a wonderful and UnFinished Script, created by SPK77 that, at the moment, it does not seem that it will be finished.
You can take a look here >> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=203446

There is other similar here >> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=170403
which it is more likely to end.

Cheers.
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Insert into sample player on a new track:
The track is not updated when it is created and this is what happens.




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+ Media explorer: actions to insert on a new track create a new track after the last touched track
This is already great, Thanks, but would still like to have this behavior when dragging in the arrange, so that when you hover over between tracks, a visual stripe is created and if you let go of this stripe, a new track is created (If possible, of course).

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Confirmed on my theme
This is probably taking images for TCP fx parameters and putting them into MCP fx insert slots.
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Area selection doesn't seem to snap to markers or other items unlike time selection which still does.

Just trying to use it on non musical/grid based items and finding it very difficult as expecting area selection to snap to markers and items when the snap is active.

Could we have those as options in mouse modifiers or have it set to default if everyone else agrees it should?
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despite loving this show FX in TCP i think reaper could get some ideas from digital performer. The way DP deals with showing FX slots in the sequencer is great. A small arrow right beside to open and close show insert slots.
And Yes, we could have the sends showing too in TCP, this would be a very very good add.

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