01-17-2022, 04:36 PM | #1 |
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What is your favorite REVERB?
What do you use for a good sharp reverb? Or a nice spring type reverb for vocals or guitar. Also a decent 'dancehall' reverb. Thx in advance...
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01-17-2022, 06:48 PM | #2 |
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Perfect Plate XL is flipping amazing but I'm not sure what "sharp reverb" means.
Not a fan of spring reverb myself and also not sure I've ever heard it used on vox. Kinda doubt it would work too great. Maybe you ought to share some links to professional mixes with reverb sounds you like best.
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The two primary reverbs I use are the free native Linux LSP Impulse Reverb, which knows how to use a quad impulse file for "True Stereo" properly. Note: True Stereo is way more cool than plain old stereo.
The other verb I use a lot is the NOT free Plate Reverb RVB500 from Mike at Overtone LSP. The RVB500 does a bang up job of emulating the sound of a real plate reverb, and when I switched to Linux from Windows I shopped for a native Linux plate verb that sounded like the SoundToys Little Plate I was using in Windows, and ended up buying the RVB500 from Overtone DSP. |
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- DragonFly reverbs - Tal Reverbs - Orilriver (Yabridged) - Bricasti impulses with Reaverb - Lexicon impulses with Reaverb All of them do a great job. |
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Which Lexicon impulses do you use?
For me, it's almost all yabridged: Reverb Foundry HD Cart (best IMHO) Exponential Audio, Nimbus, Phoenixverb, R4, R2 Voxengo CRTIV Reverb Toneboosters Reaverb with Bricasti impulses (so close to Seventh Heaven and I actually think I prefer them) I also have the Lexicon MPX, LXP and PCM reverbs which are amazing but require an iLok. I want to like the airwindows verbs but they are not true stereo so sound weird to my ears compared to the ones above. Dragonfly verbs are just OK to my ears and not really in the same league. I experimented for years with all the free options but I always circle back to the paid options. They might be more forgiving in a dense mix but when adding realistic reverb to a single instrument they don't do so well. Last edited by chmaha; 01-18-2022 at 03:47 AM. |
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Lately I've been almost exclusively using Bricasti impulse responses with ReaVerb.
Edit: to be more specific, I'm using the M7 quad IR's by Samplicity. Last edited by elcalen; 01-18-2022 at 05:00 AM. |
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I should also add that Fabfilter Pro-R was on my wishlist (along with all the other offerings in their "Pro" bundle) but I suspect I'm 100% covered by Tokyo Dawn Plugins, Toneboosters and Reaplugs* for the non-reverb effects and, well, I do wonder what Pro-R could possibly do that would massively transform my reverb tweaking. I demoed it and didn't have a "wow" moment as I did with HD Cart, CRTIV and the Lexicon offerings.
* I've actually started sticking only to Reaplugs once I assured myself that a fancy plugin GUI does not improve the sound in any way and the rather brilliant ReaLimit appeared |
01-18-2022, 05:18 AM | #8 |
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Sanford Reverb
I like Sanford Reverb more than any other reverb in my collection.
https://www.lesliesanford.com/vst/plugins/ It contains good presets and is very easy to use. For vocals, try the "Large Room" preset and change the input filters to 250 Hz / 3000 Hz. The early reflection section adds a nice slapback to the delay which sounds excellent. The resulting mix of slapback delay and reverb is similar to the sound of Waves CLA EchoSphere. Sanford Reverb is only available for Windows, not for Mac or Linux. But it works with yabridge in REAPER for Linux. Last edited by Heart Doctor; 01-20-2022 at 04:54 AM. |
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Perfect Room by Denise Audio is the only one I use.
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ValhallaRoom!
Haven't tried it bridged, when I had Linux on my main machine. |
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Amy Winehouse's Back to Black has spring reverb on the vocals, as well as a plate mixed together. Spring reverb can sound good on vocals. |
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Thought about looking for a crack since I paid for the real thing, but then I'd still have to bridge it, so I just looked for other native Linux verbs. I sometimes will use Big Gee's Lexicon 480L impulses, but more often I use the Bricasti quad impulses with the native Linux LSP Impulse reverb which does "True Stereo" with ease. |
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I've tried LSP in the past (as well as Klangfalter), but since the multichannel improvements they made to ReaVerb last year, I find that the easiest solution for quad IRs... Using a preset with the correct routing, setting it up and changing IR files is incredibly simple...
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https://sclkssl.ssl.hwcdn.net/86/img...205_811397.jpg (I did extensive testing with a snare hit only on the left channel, comparing ReaVerb with the LSP Impulse Reverb to verify the mono problem with ReaVerb) and setting the pins like that makes the dry side of ReaVerb MONOPHONIC. There are two workarounds that I know of. One is to use ReaVerb 100% wet with no dry and put it on a bus. The other is to use the mix knob on ReaVerb's plugin container as a pseudo wet to dry control. Both of those are a kludge for me though, because my primary use of "True Stereo" is to put the whole mix through it on my sub-master so the whole band is in the same room, and I want the wet and dry faders to both function properly. The LSP Impulse Reverb can load a quad file, let YOU the user route which input sides feed which track of the impulse and NEVER make the dry side become mono. Last edited by Glennbo; 01-18-2022 at 08:09 AM. |
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Huh. I only ever use ReaVerb as a bus send with 100% wet, so I wasn't aware of that issue...
Edit: interestingly, the track channels in your screenshot are also reversed from what I've been using, which was based on routing that was suggested by someone on the forums back when the multichannel support was first added... Experimenting with this a little, the two routings sound a little different, but I have no idea which is the 'correct' routing... Last edited by elcalen; 01-18-2022 at 08:43 AM. |
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As for the monophonic issue, I've never noticed to be honest as I always use reverb 100% wet on a bus. |
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I've used a final "whole mix" impulse reverb on my sub-master since before I was using REAPER. The idea is not to put lush tails on vocals or something, but to use a medium warm sounding room impulse so the entire performance (all tracks) sound like they played together in that same room. Also I mix the room sound so light compared to the dry that you have to bypass the effect to tell that it is doing anything, but there is more cohesion with the room than without. Edit: I believe now that I was seeing the bizarre effect of having experimented, leaving channels wired up from that experimentation, even though I pulled down the presets menu and selected "Reset to factory default". Evidently you must also drill into the menus and select "Zero out unmapped output channels" or you end up with phantom shit that makes you believe and see that pin 2 feeds the left. Last edited by Glennbo; 01-18-2022 at 06:29 PM. |
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I may have been having a bad tech day but I simply gave up in the same way I just gave up on Calf plugins (but for very different reasons). Well, that's a very long-winded way of saying that I don't really trust LSP for the impulse reverbs (finding very odd behavior in that particular plugin too). I'd rather A/B against Fog Convolver, Reverberate or other well-known Win VST. Samplicity recorded thinking of LRLR topology (90% certain) so that in my mind is the pinning as shown in my screenshot. Maybe Justin can chime in about 1) the potential wrong channel pinning (pin 2 is left?!) and 2) the dry mono issue? |
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(EDIT: For what it's worth, there are other LSP plugins I personally do use and like. For convolution, for me, it was mostly a question of UI, for which I found ReaVerb more to my liking...) Last edited by elcalen; 01-18-2022 at 11:03 AM. |
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Edit: I'm seeing even weirder stuff now when messing with the pins in ReaVerb. Putting all pins to one side, with or without an impulse, set to 100% wet and no dry results in meter activity on both channels. It is a stronger signal now on the left when only pin 1 is selected, but it's not 100% to the left as I would have expected. Surmise it to say, I find ReaVerb to be unpredictable, and is one of the reasons I don't use it. I first stated using True Stereo with KlangFalter, and later switched to LSP Impulse Reverb. That's the only LSP plugin I use and it's the LV2 version I use. I've never seen the LSP verb do anything other than what I expected it to do. Last edited by Glennbo; 01-18-2022 at 01:26 PM. |
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What I'm seeing now is if I set all the pins in a fresh instance of ReaVerb to pin 1, the signal coming out is stronger on the left, but still present on the right, which is not what I would expect to see happen. The incoming source is a mono track of kick and snare hitting at the same time. It gets even weirder. If I pull the dry fader all the way down, then the meters show the signal being hotter on the right, and maybe that's what I originally was seeing. And if I pull both the wet and dry faders down all the way I'm seeing this, which is signal only on the right, which I would not expect. I would have expected all sound to stop passing through ReaVerb and have no meter showing any activity. Additionally,this may or may not have anything to do with it, but I use "Stereo Pan" so all my tracks have a width control if I need it, rather than the default setting of "Stereo Balance Mono/Pan". Last edited by Glennbo; 02-23-2022 at 09:36 AM. |
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Oh, I just thought of something: try clicking on I/O in the pin dialogue, and selecting "Zero out unmapped output channels".
By default, if a plugin has no output to a particular channel, it'll just route that channel through as if the plugin was bypassed... |
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All of the TAL reverbs, my fave TAL is Reverb-II. Dragonfly Room & Hall MVerb. It's not stereo, but I still use it. ShiroVerb. Mono in, stereo out (???) It does the pitch shifted reverb thing. It's in the Shiro plugins collection at KXStudios: https://kx.studio/Repositories:Plugins ReaVerb with Big Gee's Lexicon LX480l impulses And Saiki's Abyss Reverb Paid: EOS2 from Audio Damage. It's finicky tho. Sometimes, when I first open a project, EOS2 won't put out any sound. If I open the FX window and the EOS2 GUI displays, Reaper crashes - hard. I have to log out to my computer back. Once it starts working, no problem. It's only when it first starts. I recently bought the U-He MFM2.5 beta. I thought it was "only" a delay, but that puppy does reverb, as well. I'm just getting my feet wet with that, but so far, it's great. Good info here, I'm gonna try quad impulse/true stereo convolution thing... |
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Just great info and wisdom/insight here. MUCH appreciated. I must say... there are quite a few things I did not even know was out there. Today, I am going to try to track some reverb on vocals - while a monitor plays back the vocal while recording live. (I got a feeling here) - I think it is a good feeling LOL - will see and yell back. I also get a nice pseudo reverb by running vocals through a MOOG soft synth... and it is very adjustable... (I will also have to make/DIY a spring verb soon)
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I'm still gonna keep using the LSP Impulse Reverb because it doesn't require all the hoop jumping with pinouts that make the dry signal mono in order for the wet signal to be "True Stereo", and I've never had any issue using it for years. |
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Other stuff besides IRs I've used include: Aural Verb by Audio Assault (commercial). It's really straightforward, not a lot of settings, and sounds reasonable... But I found the Bricasti IRs sounded more natural so I've pretty much switched to those. Occasionally I use TAL stuff. For some weirder effects I've liked Galactic by Airwindows. That one can make some ridiculously long effects, I've used it combined with pitch shifting to make a shimmer reverb style effect.... |
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A good free reverb is OrilRiver https://www.kvraudio.com/product/ori...-denis-tihanov .
I use Pro-R mostly (with this one I had a wow moment) but still keep OrilRiver in the plugin list.
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Another reverb that is really great but consumes a LOT of CPU is the JS based "Tukan Lexikan2", which is a very good Lexicon sounding reverb. |
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What's happening is the dry side is being affected by the pinouts, and is being treated like two stereo images on top of each other and with one of them reversed, which makes the dry side mono. |
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Edit: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=260298 The best way to achieve it in my way of thinking is to put a pan control on each track of the input side of the impulse file, and a second pan control on the output side of each track of the impulse file. No pins would need to be changed then, so the dry stereo signal would not be altered. Last edited by Glennbo; 01-18-2022 at 03:08 PM. |
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I don't use 95% of the stuff that Cockos adds to REAPER, but I do use impulse reverbs (and peak limiters) in every project I do in REAPER. For the time being, I'm using the LSP Impulse Reverb and the X42 Peak Limiter because they both do what I need without workarounds or extra steps.
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Inspired by the thread, I went looking for yet more reverbs and added Lexikan and Lexikan 2 (both free JSFX) to my rotation: https://stash.reaper.fm/v/43504/TUKANPLUGINS.png
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Yes, thank you for reminding me the Tukan JS plugins. The reverb can do quite a lot!
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