1. All of the instruments in my short orchestral score have both a treble and a bass clef -- that is silly of course, how do I remove the treble / bass clef?
Thanks!
maybe should default to single staff and add a second stave when range requires?
It would be great to associate track names with default clefs, so "viola" or "va" would default to alto clef...
or allow default clef and staff number to be part of a track template so that we can set up our orch scores without a ton of clicking....
Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. We should be able to change them at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
maybe should default to single staff and add a second stave when range requires?
It would be great to associate track names with default clefs, so "viola" or "va" would default to alto clef...
or allow default clef and staff number to be part of a track template so that we can set up our orch scores without a ton of clicking....
It looks like the clef type is kept when saving as a template. That being the case, I think it makes more sense for the user to create a template with the desired track instead of Reaper trying to make a best guess.
Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. They should be available at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
Yes I agree. It's not uncommon, especially in film scores, to have a different time signature every few bars - it would be cumbersome to have to create a separate item for each change.
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Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. We should be able to change them at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
I'm a fan of Sibelius' speedy input method too and I've requested some actions that will allow us to enter notes of a specific pitch, hopefully they'll be implemented and that will bring us closer to an input system that is similar to most score writers - I'm also creating a custom action set for us Sibelius users which I'll share once there are enough actions to make it worthwhile
Yes I agree. It's not uncommon, especially in film scores, to have a different time signature every few bars - it would be cumbersome to have to create a separate item for each change.
Having different items per change is how I like it. Hopefully we can have options for both.
Poking around just a little bit more, more questions:
1. Apparently dynamics are not imported (exported a Sibelius to general midi and then imported it into Reaper) - is that intentional? I can see the different velocities but not p, f, and all the hairpins I inserted in the Sibelius score.
2. Same question for technique text (con sordino, pizzicato, arco, etc.)?
3. How does it handle transposing instruments (e.g., horn, or Bb clarinet or trumpet)? Is there a way to switch between transposing score and concert pitch?
4. Is it possible to have two treble clefs (e.g. for Horn)?
Attached are a few screen pics, one of the original in Sibelius, and the other of the same in Reaper - easy to see that a lot of info is lost in translation (the violas are whacky lol - probably because in Sibelius the two staffs are treated as one midi channel, so midi can't make the distinction between the two viola section which play the contrarian motiff). It might be that that is inherent to the general midi protocol, I'm not an expert to say the least.
I also attach the Reaper project so you can see for yourself (it's the famous Basic Instinct theme from Jerry Goldsmith).
All that said, still very cool ... kudos to Justin, John, and everyone for taking on such a huge endeavor ... notation is no chicken shit ... took Sibelius decades to get to where they are today.
Poking around just a little bit more, more questions:
1. Apparently dynamics are not imported (exported a Sibelius to general midi and then imported it into Reaper) - is that intentional? I can see the different velocities but not p, f, and all the hairpins I inserted in the Sibelius score.
2. Same question for technique text (con sordino, pizzicato, arco, etc.)?
Dynamic and technique markings aren't part of the MIDI standard and I don't think Sibelius uses text events to represent them so I doubt they'd come through from MIDI, you'd need music XML for that.
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Firstly, thankyou for notation it really makes a difference.
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Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. We should be able to change them at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. We should be able to change them at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
Clef and key signature changes should not be per item. We should be able to change them at any bar within the item, really. That's how actual notation works.
Yes, this is the standard way, in DAWs and Notation-software.
The natural thing is adding a box in tempo/time-marker,
but see the benefits of having a separate marker for key as well.
+1 for 8va signs. maybe should appear automatically after a certain number of ledger lines...
My own personal preference is to leave their use to the composer's discretion rather than making them automatic. A draggable bracket with 8va, 8vb (I know, but it's common usage) etc that has the effect of transposing things up or down an octave while still displaying the same pitches would work best for me.
Different bar lines would be excellent - I'd particularly like to be able to drop in double bar lines, although a final (thin-thick) would be useful too. Double bar lines are excellent cues for musicians. Right now they seem to automatically insert at the ends of items, but it would be preferable to have control over their placement. Commands like "place double bar lines at markers" would then help to quickly make parts tidy.
While I'm on the "visual organization" topic, sequential rehearsal letters (A, B, C etc) would be great too. Interaction between them and markers ("create rehearsal letters at markers", and/or "insert marker names at rehearsal letters" for things we might have already marked like "Verse 1") would be great too.
Different bar lines would be excellent - I'd particularly like to be able to drop in double bar lines, although a final (thin-thick) would be useful too. Double bar lines are excellent cues for musicians. Right now they seem to automatically insert at the ends of items, but it would be preferable to have control over their placement. Commands like "place double bar lines at markers" would then help to quickly make parts tidy.
And just to be clear, we know we can't have everything at once, and what you've done is greatly appreciated! We just want to get these suggestions in the queue to help make it the most usable notation editor around.
MusicXML import and export is on the horizon but not for 5.20.
Excellent, MusicXML export will allow us to make use of features not currently available in Reaper, such as printing :-) I have to print some parts for Saturday, might just resort to some screen grabs!
Are there any plans for chord symbols? In the meantime I had planned to put them in as text.
Allow for double sharp and double flat (maybe micro accidentals, too). Double accidentals are needed in certain keys where modulation and tonicization takes place.
+1 on double sharps and flats - although they may look like they're just stuffy pedantry, they're actually the only way to write some common harmonies like C#+7 correctly.
Excellent, MusicXML export will allow us to make use of features not currently available in Reaper, such as printing :-) I have to print some parts for Saturday, might just resort to some screen grabs!
Are there any plans for chord symbols? In the meantime I had planned to put them in as text.
+1 Yes this is very useful, we can use text as well for now, but dedicated chord symboles would help a lot !
Yes, and one particular reason that inserting them as text is not gonna fly as a long term solution is that if you transpose the track *every single one of them will have to be changed by hand*. Maybe not so hard for a Dylan-style tune but a pretty big drag with a Steely Dan-type tune.
Yes, and one particular reason that inserting them as text is not gonna fly as a long term solution is that if you transpose the track *every single one of them will have to be changed by hand*. Maybe not so hard for a Dylan-style tune but a pretty big drag with a Steely Dan-type tune.
A point well made, thank you, and one I missed in my enthusiasm. It's not just the manual editing that's tiresome, it's the proof reading afterwards. Fortunately the tunes for Saturday's session are somewhere between Dylan and Dan :-)
I wonder if it is possible when importing XML into Musescore to say "treat these text events as chords"?
Do we have a way to create ties across bars? I can see if we draw across a bar-line in the piano roll it creates a tie in the score view but how do we do it from the score view?
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here's what notation must look like when it follows the rules for ornaments above and dynamics below the score.
In the current version its all above the system and makes it difficult to see to wich row it belongs when you have more than one row.
Yeah, +1. I'm agree with this. It's will be very, very handy feature.
Feature request: action to change direction of the stem. Though it should do it automatically when we have two voices (top voice should have the stems going up and low voice the stems going down).[/QUOTE]