Old 09-22-2017, 07:25 PM   #41
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You wouldn't tell me that you wouldn't want one if had a opportunity?
I don't see it as much different than buying a particular bottle of scotch or wine for $5k+. I get it. There's _something_ special about it that's worth $5000 to _someone_.

I think most folks ridicule because they don't have the luxury to blow $60k on a piece of gear. I'm one of these people.


Make no mistake, if I won a $250m jackpot, I'd want to hear shit like this and tell myself it makes all the difference
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Old 09-23-2017, 05:04 AM   #42
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And of course the majority of those with the sort of net disposable income levels to buy this shit are very often so old they can't hear the difference they are supposedly paying for, because their hearing is buggered.
Count me among this crowd, btw.
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Old 09-23-2017, 07:57 AM   #43
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And of course the majority of those with the sort of net disposable income levels to buy this shit are very often so old they can't hear the difference they are supposedly paying for, because their hearing is buggered.
Count me among this crowd, btw.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:21 AM   #44
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No different then the folks in the guitar world.
Check this 2013 Ebay sale and the costs have only
continued to rise through the years.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUMBLE-OVERD...-/271149509473
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And of course the majority of those with the sort of net disposable income levels to buy this shit are very often so old they can't hear the difference they are supposedly paying for, because their hearing is buggered.
Count me among this crowd, btw.
If I ever get to a place where money isn't a problem (which will never happen because I'm a musician type who does audio recording/mixing/mastering work) that's what I expect will happen to me too.

Maybe stem cell research will get to a place where we can regrow new inner ear parts soon? Then I can take a pill to replace my hearing! Then you'll see ads from the snake oil salesmen for pills that claim to grow 'audiophile' hearing for $60,000...
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No different then the folks in the guitar world.
Check this 2013 Ebay sale and the costs have only
continued to rise through the years.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUMBLE-OVERD...-/271149509473
That is supply and demand. You want a great amp that you can't get? It's gonna cost you.
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Old 09-23-2017, 12:19 PM   #47
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I'm not one to restrict value of audio gear to sound alone as that is sort of silly but I have a couple of mic pre's that spec 9Hz-101kHz and they cost about 800 each, so I could roughly buy 60 thousand of them for the price of this bloated piece of preamp gear. Think about that.
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What you're talking about Mik, are pre-amps that add color. That's not new, every pre-amp will have it's own footprint which can be good or bad or even both. The Neve got a good reputation for it's pres, and maybe rightly so. I don't know, I never recorded with one.

I do guarantee you though, that the preamps don't mean anything unless you have 3 very important things (RMP). A good Room, a decent Mic, and a good Performance. With out them, no preamp in the world is going to make it better.

In fact, if you've got those 3 things, you don't need the so called greatest preamp, because you've already got everything you need to get the best.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:41 PM   #49
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US Retail price of the HDPreamp = $59500:

Black Friday - grab this dream machine for over 50% OFF = only 30,000.00!!!! It's only money.

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Old 09-24-2017, 08:42 AM   #50
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I understand the difference - I design and build tube amplifiers and have worked as an electrician in my past. Manufacturers do not claim to offer a "better connection" - at least on the couple of spec sheets I've looked at. Commercial receptacles stand up to more abuse so for hotels, hospitals, schools etc. they are a wise choice.
Not only do they hold the plug tighter, they hold the wiring in them tighter in most cases and, as you say, they hold up a lot longer than cheaper ones (which stop holding the plug pretty fast). In theory, a better physical connection means the power transfers better. Does that mean that it sounds better? I can't say, but for the price of them, the risk to reward is way on the positive side.
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:19 AM   #51
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Not only do they hold the plug tighter, they hold the wiring in them tighter in most cases and, as you say, they hold up a lot longer than cheaper ones (which stop holding the plug pretty fast). In theory, a better physical connection means the power transfers better. Does that mean that it sounds better? I can't say, but for the price of them, the risk to reward is way on the positive side.
Wow, they hold the wiring tighter? All those years as an electrician and I had no idea. I always thought that when I screwed a wire to the terminal it was I who determined how tight it was held. Or maybe you are talking about the crappy push inserts on the back? Personally I would rather buy a .60 plug than a $6 one and screw it on by hand. But that's just me. I crazy.

And all those years wasted leaning electronics and ohms law etc only to find that a new one called "power transfers better" exists. And here I thought that when "power doesn't transfer" it's called resistance which equals heat and fires in residential wiring. Had no idea.

I'm going to change all those fire hazards in my house today. Can't put the fam at risk. Should also be a great savings on the electric bill. I can't believe all the green organizations haven't picked up on this either. They should be telling everyone since it would make such a difference for our planet. All that wasted power. Must be some kind of conspiracy like the water powered engine we all know the oil industry has been hiding from us for years.

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Old 09-24-2017, 10:29 AM   #52
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Ok, how about this one, IMO money much better spent (c. $5000 when was new I think):



It's not manufactured anymore, so price will rise, it's made with all the wrong tubes, sounds like it's broken in proper working condition and manual prohibits you to use it more than for two hours at once.

Manual, in general, is solid:

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It's a guitar amp, pussyboy. But it's unlike any guitar amp you've ever seen.

Because lots of guitar wankers want GAIN, we gave them TOO MUCH GAIN in the G-1000. I've
personally seen idiots drive the input of a guitar amp with the SPEAKER OUTPUT of ANOTHER guitar
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motorboats in a variety of ways, depending on the control settings. Just like cascaded amps.

If you want to sound like an old Deep Purple album, you came to the wrong place, shitbrain.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:10 AM   #53
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I've been on some forums and argued with audiophiles who think that $1000 POWER cables and commercial grade receptacles make an audible difference. These same "golden ears" have 0 treatment in the their room and are convinced they hear a difference.

It never ceases to amaze me how these guys spends thousands on equipment and don't even spend a nickel on their rooms - well maybe for their 10k audiophile couches etc that don't "ruin" the sound etc.

Crazy.
LOL ... yeah, it's a funny world.

For some reason I have a lot of Facebook friends who are into high end audio gear (either as a consumer / fan, or manufacturer, or both); I love looking at the pictures they post of very expensive looking tube amplifiers, exotic looking speakers, record players with intricately designed belt drives, and so on. But even if I had the money, I doubt I would spend it on all that stuff; though I might hire an acoustic engineer to design a custom built listening room, complete with acoustic treatment and everything.
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LOL ... yeah, it's a funny world.

For some reason I have a lot of Facebook friends who are into high end audio gear (either as a consumer / fan, or manufacturer, or both); I love looking at the pictures they post of very expensive looking tube amplifiers, exotic looking speakers, record players with intricately designed belt drives, and so on. But even if I had the money, I doubt I would spend it on all that stuff; though I might hire an acoustic engineer to design a custom built listening room, complete with acoustic treatment and everything.
I agree, some of it is just plain beautiful. Art. As a muscian I understand that. And much if it does sound wonderful. I can understand spending money on that - all the power to them. But when they try to pass art off as science, then I take exception.
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Old 09-24-2017, 01:59 PM   #55
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Except those that don’t.

Merging: AKM, ARDA, ESS Sabre.

Weiss: ESS Sabre.

Metric Halo: AKM.

Benchmark: Analog Devices.

RME: AKM

Burl: AKM

Cranesong: AKM

QES Labs: AKM




And power supply.
Your list pretty much makes the point though. The fact is that if converters aren't capable of duplicating what goes in and out of them at this point, they are broken and no one would use them.

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Well OK, that was a sloppy comment! The point though is that no matter how high end of a digitizer chip is used in an AD converter circuit, the digitizing is only as good as the analog front end of that circuit can deliver.

This is aimed at the comments along the lines of: "Suchinsuch interface uses high_falootin_chip_maker DAC chips too so it has to be just as good."
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If I can't sit inside it, I'm not spending that much on it.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:38 AM   #58
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If you like the Nagra $60K preamp, you'll LOVE this:

http://bobbyowsinski.blogspot.com/20...lume-knob.html


Here's another classic:
http://web.archive.org/web/200511261...ry_Code=VOLUME

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Old 09-30-2017, 03:21 AM   #59
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If you like the Nagra $60K preamp, you'll LOVE this:

http://bobbyowsinski.blogspot.com/20...lume-knob.html


Here's another classic:
http://web.archive.org/web/200511261...ry_Code=VOLUME
Some people have more dollars than sense.
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:05 AM   #60
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Some people have more dollars than sense.
But unfortunately they still seem to have just enough sense not to hand them all to me.

Life just ain't fair (for a certain value of "fair").

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But unfortunately they still seem to have just enough sense not to hand them all to me.

Life just ain't fair (for a certain value of "fair").

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You get what you pay for.
No, not on this market.
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JOKE ON YOU ! You thought it was Apr 1st, but it's not !
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No, not on this market.
More like you get what you deserve.
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More like you get what you deserve.
I like that.
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And yet people still fall for this bullashit.
If you get the custom knobs and the signature edition you are out around 8k. FFS!

But there again they are probably aiming at the Audiophile Who Has Everything - including a vast pile of disposable income.
Maybe we should "invent" and market a product geared toward that market?
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Maybe we should "invent" and market a product geared toward that market?
I would definitely be in on that idea. I have the tech skills and I'm pretty good at writing stories.....



But my conscience wouldn't let me rest!!!!
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But my conscience wouldn't let me rest!!!!
Yes, this is the thing right?
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The world is goin' mad. Or I'm getting old

Just came across a guy who'd like to touch 14.000 € for a pair of second hand, mint Accuphase A45 power amps.

i've got some repairs to do. Must be some gold in that pile of old junk :-)
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Yes, this is the thing right?
Yep. Honestly, I could never have a career selling snake oil.
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The world is goin' mad. Or I'm getting old

Just came across a guy who'd like to touch 14.000 € for a pair of second hand, mint Accuphase A45 power amps.

i've got some repairs to do. Must be some gold in that pile of old junk :-)
That's a very nice power amp but seven THOUSAND euros each?!!

On a similar note, I saw a Roland System 100 synth for sale on eBay recently for almost AU$19,000 shipped from Japan to Australia. I paid $400 for mine in the early 90s when vintage analog gear was not fetching stupid used prices. I got it in mint condition with the original boxes and manuals from the original owner who had it in his studio but never figured it out.
Don't get me wrong. This is a GREAT synth and one of my favourites but I would NOT pay almost TWENTY GRAND for one!!
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