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02-21-2021, 07:57 AM
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#721
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@ Deeb, Ovnis I agree, for me as much as i like the RE, i still don't find useful that we need to change modes, especially with an action. If this is confusing old users, i imagine it will do the same for new.
That's why, if we can't have one mode for everything, i think a mouse modifier would be also nice to have, because then any user could see it in his setup. Also imo we need an indicator next or below the mouse cursor to see in which mode we are currently.
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02-22-2021, 06:57 AM
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#722
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ovnis
FX parameters can be automatically created with "move envelope razor edit areas based on envelope type" enabled.
So, it would be nice to have this behavior:
If we drop an envelope on the track (not on the track envelope), it creates a new track envelope based on envelope type.
It's the current behavior of "move envelope razor edit areas based on envelope type.
My add: if we want, we can drop the envelope on any existing tracks envelope after having created the corresponding envelope type.
So, we haven't to manage with this option: "move envelope razor edit areas based on envelope type".
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tbh i am very confused with current options, and i am sorry but i am not sure what you are saying. You mean when dropping an RE, reaper would create dummy envelope lanes that match the RE source lanes types, and then we would be able to assign envelopes to this dummy envelope lanes by drag and dropping an envelope of the dummy type?
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02-22-2021, 03:39 PM
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#723
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Exactly! First, dummy lanes type are created and if we continue to move the envelopes, they go to lanes that don't match the RE source lanes types.
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02-25-2021, 12:41 AM
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#724
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Moscow / Tbilisi
Posts: 912
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BUG
There is a bug in several versions.
Area selection removes when I change track selection by click in TCP.
If I click in MCP AS stay exist, that looks right. TCP should have same behavior, I guess.
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02-27-2021, 03:59 AM
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#725
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Join Date: Mar 2019
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I would like to create some discussion on how preferences for Razor Edits are handled. Currently they are very splintered: (Unless I am mising something very obvious)
Having:
* Project specific options under one toolbar button
* Global ones under a Razor Edits tab in preferences
Would make things much easier to tweak and test, new adopters of RE could also locate things easier once it hits release.
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Last edited by BirdBird; 02-27-2021 at 06:00 AM.
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03-04-2021, 09:51 PM
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#726
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: New York
Posts: 781
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Something I'm really missing with Razor Edits are mouse modifiers to toggle ripple editing when dragging an area. These modifiers already exist for regular item dragging, so it would seem to follow that they should be available for razor edits as well, and the fact that they're not there feels like a bit of an oversight
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03-05-2021, 12:42 AM
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#727
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Join Date: Oct 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinGShore
Something I'm really missing with Razor Edits are mouse modifiers to toggle ripple editing when dragging an area. These modifiers already exist for regular item dragging, so it would seem to follow that they should be available for razor edits as well, and the fact that they're not there feels like a bit of an oversight
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Agreed!
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03-05-2021, 11:19 AM
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#728
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Brazil
Posts: 2,011
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Bug
Bug look at the CC ghost on top track
EDIT:
This only happens in the March 4 dev
Last edited by daniellumertz; 03-05-2021 at 11:24 AM.
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03-05-2021, 05:11 PM
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#729
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Join Date: Aug 2020
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I'm waiting for Sexans smart envelope scripts to become available. The most wanted script for me is where a selection could be made over an envelope, and then be able to adjust length of in and out fade . One of the best things i've seen. Sexan, If you read this, will you ever release it?
All the best.
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03-08-2021, 11:21 PM
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#730
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Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Brazil
Posts: 2,011
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Edit: Copy items/tracks/envelope points (depending on focus) ignoring time selection
Now should be add /razor edits? in the name as it copies it too?
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03-09-2021, 10:41 AM
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#731
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Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 463
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Razor Edit to Edit Cursor Mouse Modifiers
The following mouse modifiers for razor edit left click would be incredibly useful. They currently exist for items, but not razor edits.
Move left edge of razor edit to edit cursor
Move right edge of razor edit to edit cursor
Copy left edge of razor edit to edit cursor
Copy right edge of razor edit to edit cursor
I wrote scripts to accomplish these actions but when I bind them to a mouse modifier, it moves the edit cursor to where I’m clicking instead of leaving the cursor where it was originally, and thus copies/moves the razor edit to the wrong spot
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03-12-2021, 10:01 AM
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#732
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Looks like Razor Edit doesn't update video when you move it around the timeline:
Not sure if it's supposed to not update, or if it just never came up, so I'm not sure it's a "bug." It would be helpful for post work if you didn't have to click out of the selection to get the video to update.
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03-13-2021, 03:02 AM
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#733
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Location: Berlin
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That would suck. Video should always follow what the user does by default.
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03-13-2021, 06:34 AM
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#734
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fakemaxwell
Looks like Razor Edit doesn't update video when you move it around the timeline:
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If you edit video items using razor edits, everything updates as expected. What isn't currently supported is the preference to seek video when moving audio items, but we'll add that.
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03-13-2021, 06:37 AM
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#735
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That's great schwa, many thanks in advance !
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03-13-2021, 09:11 AM
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#736
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
If you edit video items using razor edits, everything updates as expected. What isn't currently supported is the preference to seek video when moving audio items, but we'll add that.
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03-13-2021, 11:38 AM
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#737
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Join Date: Feb 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
If you edit video items using razor edits, everything updates as expected. What isn't currently supported is the preference to seek video when moving audio items, but we'll add that.
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Awesome, thanks. Been using Razor Edit a bunch for editing SFX, which so far has been a nice little workflow upgrade.
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03-13-2021, 08:34 PM
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#738
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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I think I am writing in the correct thread.
I would like to draw your attention to the behavior of Razor Edit area, which I encountered in real work. Now Razor Edit, when increasing the area by dragging, does not scroll the project up and down. With this behavior, I have to "jump" between scrolling and expanding the area vertically, which is very unhandy.
I made a GIF for additional clarification. Here's a comparison to a regular Lasso selection:
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03-14-2021, 07:17 AM
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#739
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Agreed, this behavior should be added.
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03-14-2021, 11:02 PM
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#740
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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tested on v6.25+dev0313
does not display peaks while moving with RE
drawing bug
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03-15-2021, 12:17 AM
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#741
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Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Brazil
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Embass
tested on v6.25+dev0313
does not display peaks while moving with RE
drawing bug
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I THINK this is a bug related to the new lanes development
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03-15-2021, 12:53 AM
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#742
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fakemaxwell
which so far has been a nice little workflow upgrade.
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"A nice little"! ! it's a HUGE thing!
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03-15-2021, 02:09 AM
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#743
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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stretch automation items
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03-19-2021, 12:12 PM
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#744
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Join Date: Oct 2017
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Devs while i love RE and i'm grateful we have it in Reaper now, I'm still missing a lot 2 basic things which imo makes it incomplete for my workflow and i would be very grateful if they were added.
First thing is the action "move envelope points with media items and razor edits".
Having this action on and creating RE on media lane it selects both media and envelope lanes.
This makes totally sense when we drag an item and it moves all the envelopes, but it doesn't make sense having the same behavior with RE since it is a tool that can select parts on the arrange.
So the con here is that we can't just drag the item with envelopes on media lane, without dragging all the envelopes on env. lanes too.
This is a big limitation to me for RE because there's been many times that i wanted to move just the envelope on media lane without moving the rest envelope lanes.
Can you give us an option so we could choose separately media lane envelopes and envelope lanes please? This mode could mimic the existing behavior just by dragging vertically the RE to select the envelope lanes we want.
Second thing is having the ability to move envelopes on media lanes from one track to another with ignoring envelope type modifier. Still i don't understand why it's not possible, even with the same envelopes on media lanes, to move them from track to track. To me this modifier is a lot more flexible and allows me to move everything anywhere except media envelopes from track to track which is not WYSIWYG and a workflow killer
I would be really grateful if you could add those two as options at least for us that we prefer using this kind of workflow.
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04-23-2021, 03:15 PM
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#745
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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Why hidden envelopes are affected by RE? I thought we have WYSIWYG design here.
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04-23-2021, 04:52 PM
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#746
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
Why hidden envelopes are affected by RE? I thought we have WYSIWYG design here.
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IMHO because this is the behavior of most Daw. And in real work. For example, I made a piece of music. To copy it, I need to show all the envelopes?) Sometimes there are a lot of them and it just makes it difficult to select.
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04-23-2021, 07:24 PM
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#747
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Sorry if this is a little off topic but could somebody explain the difference between razor editing and area selection. I am a little confused on that.
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04-23-2021, 07:48 PM
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#748
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Joisey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeyondMetal
Sorry if this is a little off topic but could somebody explain the difference between razor editing and area selection. I am a little confused on that.
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What was called "Area Selection" in some feature request threads and even prior dev versions is now simple called "Razor Edit." It's the same feature. Just being refined over time and the name was changed during development. When you see "Area Selection Discussion Thread" they're talking about the Razor Edit functionality.
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04-24-2021, 01:00 AM
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#749
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nappies
IMHO because this is the behavior of most Daw. And in real work. For example, I made a piece of music. To copy it, I need to show all the envelopes?) Sometimes there are a lot of them and it just makes it difficult to select.
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WYSIWYG, my friend. What if I don't want to change them?
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04-24-2021, 01:14 AM
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#750
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
WYSIWYG, my friend. What if I don't want to change them?
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Yep i agree, how could we remember if we have any hidden envelopes when there are so many tracks. It was weird to me when it was suggested.
Makes no sense
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04-24-2021, 01:51 AM
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#751
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagelis
Yep i agree, how could we remember if we have any hidden envelopes when there are so many tracks. It was weird to me when it was suggested.
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Yep, I thought we already agreed to not affect hidden envelopes or at least make it optional.
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04-24-2021, 01:58 AM
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#752
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Moscow / Tbilisi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagelis
Yep i agree, how could we remember if we have any hidden envelopes when there are so many tracks. It was weird to me when it was suggested.
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Yeah, it looks like a bug on your gif.
If we select one envelope, we expect to copy only this one.
Or if several envelopes selected.
But if selected whole track part, all visible envelopes and media lanes, would be better to copy hide envelopes too.
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04-24-2021, 02:17 AM
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#753
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagelis
Yep i agree, how could we remember if we have any hidden envelopes when there are so many tracks. It was weird to me when it was suggested.
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Actually the behaviour on you gif looks like a bug.
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04-24-2021, 02:25 AM
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#754
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
Yep, I thought we already agreed to not affect hidden envelopes or at least make it optional.
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Would be better to have right behavior without wondering about thousands checkmarks, so as I suggested above, hidden envelopes should be copied if selected all visible envelopes and media lane.
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04-24-2021, 02:36 AM
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#755
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZpercussion
Would be better to have right behavior without wondering about thousands checkmarks, so as I suggested above, hidden envelopes should be copied if selected all visible envelopes and media lane.
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If you have 50 envelopes and you need to copy only 5 for each track at the same time, what will you do?
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04-24-2021, 03:21 AM
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#756
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Moscow / Tbilisi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
If you have 50 envelopes and you need to copy only 5 for each track at the same time, what will you do?
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Just select these 5 envelopes using shift to make several separate selections.
If media lane don't selected, just only selected envelopes will copied.
Obviously, if big area selected entirely, user needs (99% cases) to copy sound of this area as is.
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04-24-2021, 03:48 AM
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#757
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZpercussion
Just select these 5 envelopes using shift to make several separate selections.
If media lane don't selected, just only selected envelopes will copied.
Obviously, if big area selected entirely, user needs (99% cases) to copy sound of this area as is.
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I don't like that to be honest, which also comes hand in hand with this behavior.
https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=744
RE should work with what you see, selecting all the envelopes when you select the media it's just not good design imo. It restricts the selection range and 1st copies the hidden envelopes even if we don't want since how the hell to remember for each track? 2nd it doesn't allow to work separately with envelopes on media and envelope lanes at the same time.
For hidden envelopes i have asked from early stage of the development an option and a mouse modifier. ( or could be an action to copy/paste hidden envelopes, i would prefer this over dragging them to paste)
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04-24-2021, 04:34 AM
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#758
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Moscow / Tbilisi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagelis
2nd it doesn't allow to work separately with envelopes on media and envelope lanes at the same time.
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Oh, yes... I should agree with second.
So, we need an option, really.
But even with the option, there shouldn't be behavior which depicted on your gif. This extremely unexpected.
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04-24-2021, 06:26 AM
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#759
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2017
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The more annoying problem is that the RE is designed in such a way that it does not have the ability to work with separate lanes and multiple takes.
I switched completely to RE (What's more, I made it with the left mouse button! Haha), but when editing on lanes and takes, I have to go back to the old edit.
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04-25-2021, 05:20 AM
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#760
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nappies
I switched completely to RE (What's more, I made it with the left mouse button! Haha), but when editing on lanes and takes, I have to go back to the old edit.
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they both have different uses : Item selection and RE selection, even if RE could work on takes and lanes .. I think.
I am curious! I have to go back to the old edit? what you mean by old edit? Item Selection?
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