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07-08-2020, 10:39 PM
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Media Explorer Discussion
UPDATED
The explorer is one of the most important areas for me personally, and as it is undergoing some overhauling, I wanted to take the opportunity to set up a thread for any issues or ideas we have.
The explorer is currently horizontal centric
Here is a .gif with the width issues.
mostly fixed in dev0710
1 The first thing that shows up is how wide the browser has to be to keep the pitch control visible.
2 The next thing that disappears is the tempo match dropdown.
These could be fixed in two ways.
A The controls area in the media explorer could be WALTERed, this would be optimal.
B Simple fix for now would be having a height arrow below the scrollbar, so that you could raise the height of the control area above the waveform.
3 The tab never actually hides, even at the media explorers smallest width.
4The dual panels, one on the left for destinations and one on the right for files isn't really suited to vertical.
This can be fixed in two ways.
A Add the destinations in the right panel as an option, this fix would take up space and is not so optimal because you always have to scroll to the start to find the destinations.
B Add an option to create favourites actions, as you can see in the .gif, I have docked a toolbar above the browser that would house the destinations, this is the optimal set up.
5 In vertical it would be nice if the scrollbar disappeared and the files just scrolled top to bottom (See second .gif of Maschine, where the scroll and favourites toolbar is implemented)
6 The new open in sample instrument is an excellent feature, this could be optimised a bit if possible for previewing, so for instance if a sample is being used in an RS5k to play a pattern and that track is selected, when you tap on a sample to preview it, you would hear the track in context playing the pattern via the RS5k, double clicking the sample would load it into the RS5k (See .gif for this behaviour in Maschines browser)
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07-08-2020, 11:21 PM
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UPDATED
Fixed dev0710
Automation Items seem to have no icon in the Media Browser?
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Last edited by Win Conway; 07-10-2020 at 11:33 PM.
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07-09-2020, 12:36 AM
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Media Explorer - changing structure
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07-09-2020, 02:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archie
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That would absolutely have to be optional, I have a lot of sub foldering in my sample folders hahaha.
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07-09-2020, 02:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
That would absolutely have to be optional, I have a lot of sub foldering in my sample folders hahaha.
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Me, too. And the thing is that in order to get from one folder to another, you need to exit the folder (this is a bunch of clicks up or back) and only then go to the desired folder and so on constantly. Instead of moving the wheel through a single list, as in almost all DAW. I sometimes think that I make more clicks on the up or back buttons than on listening to samples.
Look at the browsers Studio One or FL Studio, you open a bunch of folders at the same time and use scrolling to access all the folders at once.
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07-09-2020, 03:31 AM
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07-09-2020, 04:26 AM
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does nobody else struggle with getting accurate pitch knob results via mouse?
or is everyone using nothing but perfectly tuned sample banks
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=239332
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07-09-2020, 04:29 AM
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Media Explorer: Teg
I would suggest adding still and tags. That this list was filled by me somehow manually. And never changed itself without my knowledge. So that I always have a list at hand, from which you can choose what to look for.
How do you see it? Is it possible?
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07-09-2020, 05:11 AM
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1. "Navigate to file location" from Search Results
2. "MIDI-Playable samples while browsing" to audition -- AKA RS5k built into Media Explorer
3. "Drag files in-between tracks to new track in project"
4. "Tint active-track background (IN GENERAL) instead of horizontal guide lines" during dragging.
5. "With item highlighted, dynamically change media source while browsing"
Last edited by ferropop; 07-09-2020 at 05:34 AM.
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07-09-2020, 05:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ferropop
1. "Navigate to file location" from Search Results
2. "MIDI-Playable samples while browsing" to audition
3. "Drag files in-between tracks to new track in project"
4. "Tint track background instead of horizontal guide lines" during dragging.
5. "With item highlighted, dynamically change media source while browsing"
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+100500 on all points
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07-09-2020, 05:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ferropop
5. "With item highlighted, dynamically change media source while browsing"
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Oooo, this one would be perfect for previewing samples in context of the song. I agree with all your other points too.
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07-09-2020, 06:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puddi
Oooo, this one would be perfect for previewing samples in context of the song. I agree with all your other points too.
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With "portion" compatibility even better...
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07-09-2020, 09:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ferropop
2. "MIDI-Playable samples while browsing" to audition -- AKA RS5k built into Media Explorer
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Or RS5K linked to Media Explorer:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=239413
Last edited by horneusz; 07-15-2020 at 02:59 AM.
Reason: edit
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07-10-2020, 02:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ferropop
1. "Navigate to file location" from Search Results
2. "MIDI-Playable samples while browsing" to audition -- AKA RS5k built into Media Explorer
3. "Drag files in-between tracks to new track in project"
4. "Tint active-track background (IN GENERAL) instead of horizontal guide lines" during dragging.
5. "With item highlighted, dynamically change media source while browsing"
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+1000 on all points!!!
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07-11-2020, 05:34 PM
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I would use all of those!
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07-11-2020, 08:39 PM
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1. When I'm searching in a database, then I click another shortcut, the result lost. That's a little inconvenient. It would be better when I go to another shortcut, I can restore the last searching result, including the last touched file.
2. Just like Preferences--Mouse--Ignore mouse wheel on track panel faders, it need the same option in Media Explorer: Ignore mouse wheel on Media Explorer faders(or faders + droplist), to prevent misoperation.
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07-11-2020, 11:55 PM
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Media Explorer vs Windows Explorer Dyslexia
I suffer from a major case of dyslexia and my eyes are very sensitive to color.
Both disabilities makes reading text very difficult. Icons, dark mode and other accessibility features in the Windows Explorer help people like me navigate files.
Here is a list of accessibility features needed in Media Explorer if we are no longer going to have access to the Windows Explorer in reaper.
1) In the Windows Explorer the users can create custom icons for default folders as well as individual folder as show in the images below. Being able to assign custom icons will allow users to search quicker visually instead of having to read the text of the file.
2) The font size and icon size are smaller in the Media Explorer version. Larger folder icons would help.
For the sake of others with visual impairments as well as those who suffer from Dyslexia please bring the Explorer back to Reaper. If that's not possible, please help us with the above needs.
Reaper Media Explorer
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07-12-2020, 06:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
[*]# WALTER: add tcp.fxembed
[*]# WALTER: add tcp_fxembed scalar for layout decisions
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
Anybody have any idea what to do with these ?
I tried set tcp.fxembed with the usual parameters, nothing at all appeared.
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Just quoting myself from the current pre thread, in case anybody works this out.
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07-14-2020, 01:59 PM
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Improve use of Media Explorer to manage FX Chains.
It can be used for this now, but it's not a good user experience. Even with the current sub-par implementation, I still prefer media explorer over all the other ways, but a couple of things would improve the experience greatly. Other methods of browsing FX chains have major drawbacks:
- Context menu on FX button is really mouse-fiddly.
- Usual FX browser window doesn't display nested folder structure.
- Windows explorer pop-up in the Track FX Chain window is buried and can't be easily triggered with actions.
So, requests:
1. Add .Rfxchain as a valid media file type so it can be more easily browsed. They can actually be browsed now, but you have to enable viewing *all* files in the media explorer context menu which isn't really desirable.
2. Double-click on .Rfxchain should add the fx chain to selected track(s). Currently only drag-and-drop of the .Rfxchain file is supported.
3. Lower priority: Option to import .Rfxchain to Input FX Chain. Currently drag-and-drop always goes to the standard FX chain. I'm not sure how to best implement this, but it would be a good option. Maybe drag-and-drop onto Input FX button would do it.
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07-14-2020, 11:15 PM
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^^^ add to that:
4. Drag-and-drop directly into FX Chain Window (or Input FX Chain window), inserting between existing fx based on mouse cursor. Currently the inserted fx are always added at end of the fx chain.
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07-15-2020, 06:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markhw
^^^ add to that:
4. Drag-and-drop directly into FX Chain Window (or Input FX Chain window), inserting between existing fx based on mouse cursor. Currently the inserted fx are always added at end of the fx chain.
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+1
Also I would like to be able to pre-listen an FX chain. Say you have a track with MIDI and than you could scroll through your synth or instrument presets and listen how they would sound with on that track. Right now you have to clean the current FX chain and than drag and drop to the track. It's not usable.
With the pre-listen feature one could manage all the presets in one place - for example you have your strings in Kontakt, than you have a Spitfire App or East West engine and so on. If you could manage all of them in the media explorer it would be a game changer. It's one of the Cubase features that I miss in Reaper.
It could be also done for FX chains. But than the pre-listen feature should append the selected FX chain and not completely replace it. I have a lot of saved FX chains and it can increase the workflow, but the Management of them in the media explorer ist not optimal.
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07-15-2020, 11:38 AM
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it is sad that u cant see fx chains in explorer until option "show all files"
Navigate through fx chains much better with media explorer, in my opinion
upd: OOPS, +1 to all of that
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07-21-2020, 06:43 AM
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click-dragging a file from the MX into a database shifts MX focus to the database. i don't think it should, unless you manually click the database title with the intent of opening it.
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07-21-2020, 07:20 AM
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"Delete" action is with confirmation but move file to recycle/trash, while "Delete immediately" delete file permanently but without confirmation.
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
It would be good after delete to advance(play) to next in list... at least like an option.
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07-21-2020, 07:23 AM
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^ i think there should just be a "delete to recycle bin without confirmation" action
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07-21-2020, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by apisonic
"Delete" action is with confirmation but move file to recycle/trash, while "Delete immediately" delete file permanently but without confirmation.
Shouldn't it be the other way around?.
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Yea, for the sake of completeness, there should be 4 actions:
- delete to recycle bit quick
- delete to recycle bit with confirmation
- delete permanently quick
- delete permanently with confirmation
User could assign keys to any of those. By default DEL==recycle bin, SHIFT+DEL==permanently, both with confirmation. And the menu action should be as is now - delete to recycle bin with confirmation.
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07-23-2020, 11:10 AM
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I didn't wanna muddy the pre-release thread so I'll post this request here instead:
Some DAW's create tiny index files for every folder you add to the browser, so that way every search is lightning fast, even if you so search the whole C:/ drive. It seems like Reaper doesn't do anything like that right now with shortcut folders, which is not a problem for small to medium sized folders, but searches can get pretty slow with bigger folders.
Wouldn't it be wise to index all folders to improve search performance? I imagine you could have a setting similar to other cache files where you can specify where they are saved (to minimize install folder clutter etc).
Just throwing it out there.
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07-23-2020, 11:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puddi
Wouldn't it be wise to index all folders to improve search performance? I imagine you could have a setting similar to other cache files where you can specify where they are saved (to minimize install folder clutter etc).
Just throwing it out there.
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Not sure, but the challenge is keeping the cache fresh. On a side note, if you want to be able to search a few million files instantly on your computer try an app called Everything.
It indexed my entire machine (4 million files) in about 1 minute.
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07-23-2020, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by karbomusic
Not sure, but the challenge is keeping the cache fresh. On a side note, if you want to be able to search a few million files instantly on your computer try an app called Everything.
It indexed my entire machine (4 million files) in about 1 minute.
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Yeah, I'm sure there are challenges to that approach but I think it could be worth it.
I use Everything already, it's awesome!
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07-25-2020, 02:27 PM
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Since media explorer is receiving a lot of attention, can we allow playback of files with long filepaths on Windows? In the image below, the 'blue arrow' file plays back, but the 'red arrow' file does not - unless I rename it to something shorter, and then it plays fine, since the total filepath is then less than 260 characters (the character limit for filepaths in Windows).
With an adjustment in the application manifest, Windows applications can be made to be long-path aware, effectively overcoming this limitation for users who have also disabled it locally on their machine. Since Cockos is moving away from Windows Explorer in Media Explorer, we might as well bypass this arbitrary limitation!
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...1607-and-later
edit: made changes after realizing it was not the filename length that was the issue, but the total characters in the filepath!
Last edited by cairnan; 07-27-2020 at 05:34 AM.
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07-28-2020, 02:20 AM
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Does anyone know if the colour background behind the media explorer transport and pitch buttons is themeable? It's ugly. Is there an option to target that colour in the theme tweaker...
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07-31-2020, 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie
it is sad that u cant see fx chains in explorer until option "show all files"
Navigate through fx chains much better with media explorer, in my opinion
upd: OOPS, +1 to all of that
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I would like to be able to do just this! Where is this "Option "show all files?
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08-04-2020, 08:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by composerguy78
I would like to be able to do just this! Where is this "Option "show all files?
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Open media browser, right click somewhere in neutral gray area (not within files), choose Options > Show all files.
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08-07-2020, 07:01 AM
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History!
Preview history would be such a useful tool. Search history too, but preview listen history would make some things so much more relaxing to do while using media explorer!
Even just a custom folder with shortcuts to last previewed files. The same way recent folder works in Windows.
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08-07-2020, 07:06 AM
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What do you think about this kind of navigation?
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08-07-2020, 07:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
What do you think about this kind of navigation?
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It should be a standard.
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08-11-2020, 02:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markhw
Open media browser, right click somewhere in neutral gray area (not within files), choose Options > Show all files.
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Thank you!
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08-15-2020, 03:59 AM
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I would love the developers to add the filter to the Shortcut list section. Really for people who use a lot of SFX like me, finding them is a pain. Really, that's all I wanted.
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08-18-2020, 07:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rasmusmarshagen
+1000 on all points!!!
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wow, it will be super amazing
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