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Old 05-07-2015, 02:30 AM   #1
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Default [Terry West] VocRider 1.2

VocRider 1.2 VST Freeware.

Based on the Diy Vocalrider workflow from SOS but instead of 3 auxes it uses only one.
Works with mono and stereo channels.

Functions:
* Bypass.
* Meters on/off.
* Ride enhance knob.
* Output level knob.
* Input, processing, ride and sidechain meters.
* Auto input detector.

Read the included readme for connection workflow.

Download (donations are welcome http://www.terrywest.nl plugins-section).
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Old 05-07-2015, 04:38 AM   #2
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Thanks pal!

The first link takes me to "HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable."

Might be just an Oz thing....
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Old 05-07-2015, 05:06 AM   #3
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Thanks pal!

The first link takes me to "HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable."

Might be just an Oz thing....
Hi Nicholas, just checked the downloadlink and works fine.
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Hi Nicholas, just checked the downloadlink and works fine.
Thanks, just the one to your web site that;s broken here ... No drama!
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:04 AM   #5
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Terry - are you on 64bit yet?
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:50 AM   #6
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Terry - are you on 64bit yet?
No sorry, not yet.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:56 AM   #7
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Thanks pal!

The first link takes me to "HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable."

Might be just an Oz thing....
I get the same thing.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:09 AM   #8
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I get the same thing.
Ys it seems the server is down, contacted the webhosting.
Should be online in a day.

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Old 05-08-2015, 08:18 AM   #9
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Ys it seems the server is down, contacted the webhosting.
Should be online in a day.
But you can download VocRider anyway from the link provided:
https://db.tt/LnTAzZwL
Thanks. Worked like a charm.
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Old 05-08-2015, 09:55 AM   #10
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Default VocRider 1.3 update.

VocRider 1.3 updated.

New:
2-bands EQ
DeHarsh processor.
Auto In/sidechain detectors.
Stereo sidechain meters.

Read the Readme.txt for connection info.

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Old 05-08-2015, 04:33 PM   #11
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Thanks Terry!
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:36 PM   #12
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Nice, very transparent, and all in real-time - some secrets you got there!

However I thought that the 'enhance' knob sounded terrible. What exactly is it doing?
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OK, I see no setup for Reaper but one for Cubase. Looks foreign to me but is it the same setup?
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What is the sidechain supposed to do? It's called "rider", but to me it sounds like it's a "ducker", no?
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:42 AM   #15
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What is the sidechain supposed to do? It's called "rider", but to me it sounds like it's a "ducker", no?
The sidechain analyses the incomming audio, the vocals will allways be "ride" perfect in the mix. No ducker more an expander (auto fader).
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Nice, very transparent, and all in real-time - some secrets you got there!

However I thought that the 'enhance' knob sounded terrible. What exactly is it doing?
Thanks, the enhance knob is for how much levelling the Riding.
Around 5 is the best setting. Zero = no riding.

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Old 05-09-2015, 03:09 AM   #17
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Thank you so much for this plugin. Can't wait to try it out
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The sidechain analyses the incomming audio, the vocals will allways be "ride" perfect in the mix. No ducker more an expander (auto fader).
Thanks, Terry! So if I fed it with a static tone, the leveller would try to even out the vocal track's dynamics?
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:38 AM   #19
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Thanks, Terry! So if I fed it with a static tone, the leveller would try to even out the vocal track's dynamics?
Theoretical yes, just try it out.

Also i have to mention:
The sidechain detector has a special buildin EQ, the low frequencies of a bass sound are unlikely to mask a vocal as much as an electric guitar with lots of energy in the very 1‑5kHz range that's most important to vocal intelligibility, which means that EQ'ing the Expander's detector signal to reduce low frequencies and increase the 1‑5kHz range can help improve the subjective musicality of the automatic level‑riding.
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Very cool! Will try that right now
EDIT: yees! Oscillator tone feeds the sidechain - "enhancer" knob about 4 - steady vocal track!
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:29 AM   #21
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Very cool! Will try that right now
EDIT: yees! Oscillator tone feeds the sidechain - "enhancer" knob about 4 - steady vocal track!
Great to hear beingmf!
Nice idea to implement an oscillator into the plugin.
What tone did you used/generated?

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I can't argue with a free and awesomely functional plugin like this, so thanks for this Terry! I do need to ask...Is there any way for this to write automation that can be further tweaked by hand? If you can do that (and justify the time it takes to code that...), then this could easily replace what other similar plugins do. If not, no worries of course. This is stupendously useful as-is! But I know that you are a plugin code genius, so i thought it would not hurt to ask.....
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I can't argue with a free and awesomely functional plugin like this, so thanks for this Terry! I do need to ask...Is there any way for this to write automation that can be further tweaked by hand? If you can do that (and justify the time it takes to code that...), then this could easily replace what other similar plugins do. If not, no worries of course. This is stupendously useful as-is! But I know that you are a plugin code genius, so i thought it would not hurt to ask.....
I had the same thoughts about that while i coded it, will look further into it.
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I had the same thoughts about that while i coded it, will look further into it.
Awesome!
How do you offer these for free? You must have a "day-job" that you love!
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:22 AM   #25
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For sidechain input, I tested using the same signal by the routing pins:



Is this intented use? I couldn't think of anything else to put in the sidechain, as that would create a ducking effect rather than promoting the vocal over top
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Is this intented use? I couldn't think of anything else to put in the sidechain, as that would create a ducking effect rather than promoting the vocal over top
That's what I thought at first as well. But then I realised that the sidechain must not be too loud. Somehow. Haha - Terry, enlighten us!

Fergler, try a static oscillator signal, it works great!
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Another request update...
Write automation implemented.
Therefore use the "Ride out".
Two input methodes for riding: Audio and Oscillator.
Version 1.4 comming soon!

For routing, i have no clue how to set this in Reaper, but should be easy i think.
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Another request update...
Write automation implemented.
Therefore use the "Ride out".
Two input methodes for riding: Audio and Oscillator.
Version 1.4 comming soon!
Incredible!
[could you please have a look at my above request - how exactly the input level determines the vocal volume. If the sidechain signal is too hot, the vox seems to be ducked instead of being boosted, no?]
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Incredible!
[could you please have a look at my above request - how exactly the input level determines the vocal volume. If the sidechain signal is too hot, the vox seems to be ducked instead of being boosted, no?]
Looking into it... there must be a bug slipped in...
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Looking into it... there must be a bug slipped in...
The way I initially thought is: the sidechain level is the reference level towards the voc level is "gravitating" so to speak. Right or wrong?
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The way I initially thought is: the sidechain level is the reference level towards the voc level is "gravitating" so to speak. Right or wrong?
Yes you're right. I look tomorrow into the code to see whats wrong... stay tuned.
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No sorry, not yet.
What could we do to help you on that way ?

I used your plugs intensely before I moved to 64 bit, and no, I will not start bridging.
You plugs were "closer" to practical use than others, I liked that.
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Default VocRider 1.4 update.

VocRider 1.4 update notes:
* Bypass.
* Meters on/off.
* Ride enhance knob.
* S.C. input level. (new)
* Output level knob.
* Input, processing, ride and sidechain meters.
* Auto input/sidechain detectors.
* Selectable sidechain source: audio/fixed oscillator. (new)
* 2-bands equalizer.
* Deharsh processor with Stereo/Mid/Side modes.
* Ride automation output. (new)
Bugfix: ducking behaviour.
Vocals stays always on the dedault daw's fader level when sidechain signal is low. Upwards riding starts when the sidechain level decreases.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:34 PM   #34
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Just used this properly for the first time with a vocal, send the rhythm guitar bus to it in sidechain.

It is working -immensely- well. I came here to thank you!

One small suggestion - please add a knob reset shortcut, such as alt or ctrl or double click. Thanks!
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Hey, Fergler! Could you post a step-by-step for us who have never used this sort of thing, please? I'd like to check it out but haven't got a clue where to start and I think (HOPE!) that I am not alone.
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I sent guitar bus to vocal track, set it to 1/2 -> 3/4, put on VocRider, and basically left the settings as is. I turned up the sidechain input a bit I think.

That's it. The thing just works. When the guitar gets loud the vocals rise above it a bit but return to normal when they are quiet.
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I sent guitar bus to vocal track, set it to 1/2 -> 3/4, put on VocRider, and basically left the settings as is. I turned up the sidechain input a bit I think.

That's it. The thing just works. When the guitar gets loud the vocals rise above it a bit but return to normal when they are quiet.
Thanks! I'll give that a shot.
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Just used this properly for the first time with a vocal, send the rhythm guitar bus to it in sidechain.

It is working -immensely- well. I came here to thank you!

One small suggestion - please add a knob reset shortcut, such as alt or ctrl or double click. Thanks!
Thanks, great to know that it works for you.
Reset works by doubleclick the knob, check it out.
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Default A little clarification?

H'lo. I haven't used side chain setup for awhile, before, mostly for sitting bass in mix with kick drum arena. So, not sure where the vocal track fits in the usage of Vocrider.

So, let's say you have a powerful guitar track or tracks and you want the vocals to stay on top of them....where do put in the Vocrider plugin, on its own track and let it receive from guitars, and of course, my first inquiry about the vocals. I realize this is slighty newbie questioning, but want to use this plugin esp. on a few of my rockier guitar songs, thanks, in advance, psingman
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H'lo. I haven't used side chain setup for awhile, before, mostly for sitting bass in mix with kick drum arena. So, not sure where the vocal track fits in the usage of Vocrider.

So, let's say you have a powerful guitar track or tracks and you want the vocals to stay on top of them....where do put in the Vocrider plugin, on its own track and let it receive from guitars, and of course, my first inquiry about the vocals. I realize this is slighty newbie questioning, but want to use this plugin esp. on a few of my rockier guitar songs, thanks, in advance, psingman
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