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01-22-2013, 07:24 PM
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v4.33pre1 - January 22 2013
v4.33pre1 - January 22 2013
+ Video: improved QuickTime audio decoding
+ OSX: Improved cursor behavior when mouseover on nonfocused windows
+ MIDI track list: shift+click expands/collapses folders or track items
+ MIDI media item lane and track list: shift+ or alt+ click controls whether switching the active media item clears the editor first (optional)
+ MIDI editor: filter window now filters only MIDI events, not media items
+ MIDI editor: media items that are visible and selected may also be edited
+ MIDI editor: track list and media item lane control which media item is active, which others are visible
+ MIDI editor: new track list and media item lane, and theme elements
+ Multiprocessing: improved anticipative FX with sends to tracks that use PDC [t=113560]
Happy birthday to me!
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01-22-2013, 07:29 PM
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ooh! exciting! off to try it before bed!
p.s HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Last edited by musicbynumbers; 01-22-2013 at 08:53 PM.
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01-22-2013, 08:39 PM
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Happy birthday to you, Merc!!
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01-22-2013, 08:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
+ MIDI track list: shift+click expands/collapses folders or track items
+ MIDI media item lane and track list: shift+ or alt+ click controls whether switching the active media item clears the editor first (optional)
+ MIDI editor: filter window now filters only MIDI events, not media items
+ MIDI editor: media items that are visible and selected may also be edited
+ MIDI editor: track list and media item lane control which media item is active, which others are visible
+ MIDI editor: new track list and media item lane, and theme elements
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yay midi
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01-22-2013, 08:53 PM
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Some really fantastic stuff here as usual guys! thanks a lot for getting stuck into MIDI!
Below is a few things that hit me immediately but I'm sure most of these are probably on the "to do list" anyway!
1. Be amazing to be able to click and drag down a column (say "visibility") to multi select items/tracks (like you can in arrange and mixer)
2. Would love to see the "track selector" able to be placed on the left (if it's not possible already somehow) as this is a great place to put it when you have it docked below the arrange page so not to waste space when you have the midi editor synced to the arrange page.
3. Can we make the colour pallet box remember it's position as right now it opens in the top left corner on my machine no matter where I place it.
4. When holding alt on an item in the "media item selector" (to move it) I found that I couldn't get it back to the original location (which was at the start of a bar) and it would always be a little off to one side.
5. An option to zoom the currently selected item's notes to the full size of the MIDI editor (as a tick box perhaps at bottom of screen) as one of the first things I do after selecting an item is to reach for my macro that zooms to the item's notes. You don't always want this I know as you need to keep your position sometimes but would be so fast for general work.
6. Occasionally there's a bug that stops the MIDI editor being automatically docked when double clicking on an item to to open the MIDI editor. Instead it comes up floating.
7. Media item selector doesn't remember that it was open last time you were in a MIDI editor and instead is closed upon re-opening a new MIDI editor. (been a bug for a while)
8. Could the filter window be dock-able again, say at the bottom of the track selector.
9. Upon closing a midi editor could collapsed/un-collapsing of any folders that was caused by the track selector window be undone.
10. Can't yet delete multiple items by holding a modify key and using the eraser modify.
11. Arrow keys also don't move/nudge multiply selected notes on different items.
12. Be amazing if the track selector followed the "automatic track arm when selected" option as then the selected track becomes record armed which might save some time.
Keep up the amazing work guys!
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01-22-2013, 09:23 PM
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Happy Birthday Mercado !!
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Great to read the MIDI development too!
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01-22-2013, 11:27 PM
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in the midi editor, if I select multiple tracks in the track selector and draw in notes on the grid, notes are not drawn in all the selected items, just one - is this by design?
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01-22-2013, 11:34 PM
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Thanks guys!
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+ Multiprocessing: improved anticipative FX with sends to tracks that use PDC [t=113560]
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What's the suggested value for "Anticipative FX processing" now? Still 200ms?
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01-22-2013, 11:37 PM
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Midi Transpose multiple items
I hope transposing multiple items will be soon possible too.
Very nice work.
Thank you.
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01-22-2013, 11:39 PM
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Happy bday MN!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
+ OSX: Improved cursor behavior when mouseover on nonfocused windows
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thank you
Although it's not working completely for fx windows:
OSX 10.6.8
R 4,33pre1 32 & 64bit
- mousing over an unfocussed fx window's 'toolbar' header does force the cursor to switch, but mousing over the fx gui does not
- when an fx window is focussed, the cursor doesn't switch back to its other variants, for example in the arrange/edit window - no marquee cursor, no edge adjustment arrows etc.
-- an exception to the above that I have seen so far, is:
--- focus a floating fx window
--- hover the mouse cursor over the arrange/edit page - cursor does not change as it should
--- press a modifier key - cursor switches to marquee cursor (or the appropriate cursor for user's MMs)
--- now, the cursor will be stuck on the marquee cursor image, even when mousing over other elements in the arrange, or back over the fx window
--- pressing a modifier again will latch the cursor to a new image ....
Hope that makes sense! Can do some gifs this evening, no time atm.
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01-23-2013, 01:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Thanks guys!
What's the suggested value for "Anticipative FX processing" now? Still 200ms?
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Happy birthday.
Definitely want to try this feature
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01-23-2013, 01:35 AM
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A-WE-SO-ME! This is looking nice indeed!
Can I say thanks for moving the Channel dropdown on the bottom where the transport is? Can I also ask for the hover info to be moved there too (yet again)? Pleasepleasepleaseplease! Please make this consistent, this will allow more toolbar buttons in the MIDI editor.
Also, will the Filter window ever be dockable? Thanks for dockable track list (it makes a lot of sense), but this is still a workflow thing, the filter being dockable. I also second the motion for sweep gestures wherever possible in MIDI editor track list.
Will the Media Item Selector be separately scrollable/zoomable from the actual piano roll view? This is a necessity, IMO. Make it a navigator! This is not a good navigator as it is right now (and it was a bit of a letdown because of not being able to separately zoom/scroll even in 4.32pre).
What are the filenames for the new buttons in the tracklist?
Let's keep at it!
Last edited by EvilDragon; 01-23-2013 at 01:55 AM.
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01-23-2013, 01:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
12. Be amazing if the track selector followed the "automatic track arm when selected" option as then the selected track becomes record armed which might save some time.
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This works over here?
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01-23-2013, 02:52 AM
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First..., love the new additions to the MIDI editor.
BUGs:
Please fix this ultra-annoying bug. (see LICEcap)
Bug #1
How to reproduce:
1)Open a previously saved MIDI item.
2)Paint some notes and then select all of them
3)Move the notes and you will notice an extra note appears.
Note: This bug also happens with new MIDI items, but not always, however it does appear to always happen with imported MIDI items.
Bug #2
When making edits to an imported MIDI item the undo list contains garbage characters..., this is also illustrated in the above LICEcap.
Thank you
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01-23-2013, 03:08 AM
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Absolutly great!
One thing I came accross:
I have the feeling that activivating the "eye" icon for visibility does not work properly.
When I activate the "eyes" on several tracks and click on another track - not the icon of this track - the other eye icons are again deselected - at least sometimes.
I think the selected visibility should stay no matter which lane I activate for editing.
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01-23-2013, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mirceablue
I hope transposing multiple items will be soon possible too.
Very nice work.
Thank you.
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If you mean with key commands or the transpose window then me too plus it should be audible as you make the changes
You can move multiple items at once now but I didn't try drawing in a note to multiple items.
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01-23-2013, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
This works over here?
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I didn't find it selected and armed the track if I selected from the track selector but will try again
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01-23-2013, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by typewriter
Absolutly great!
One thing I came accross:
I have the feeling that activivating the "eye" icon for visibility does not work properly.
When I activate the "eyes" on several tracks and click on another track - not the icon of this track - the other eye icons are again deselected - at least sometimes.
I think the selected visibility should stay no matter which lane I activate for editing.
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Think there is an option for that in the contents menu of the midi editor but might have misunderstood.
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01-23-2013, 03:21 AM
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Track list in ME doesn't seem to save its width as soon as you close the MIDI editor. This MUST be fixed, simply unacceptable that it forgets this kind of thing!
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01-23-2013, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Will the Media Item Selector be separately scrollable/zoomable from the actual piano roll view? This is a necessity, IMO. Make it a navigator! This is not a good navigator as it is right now (and it was a bit of a letdown because of not being able to separately zoom/scroll even in 4.32pre).
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Would like that as a tick box option by the side of it instead of permanent behaviour as having it synced can be useful too if you want to quickly add or remove some midi items from the current view. Makes it easier to see like that. Both options would be amazing.
I really would love to see another tick box to auto-fit all selected parts to the editor when using the selectors.
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01-23-2013, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
I didn't find it selected and armed the track if I selected from the track selector but will try again
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Right, that doesn't work. Track selection in the ME track list should be mirrored in the arrange! Vice versa works.
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01-23-2013, 03:27 AM
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Track list flickers when adding new MIDI items on empty tracks. Sometimes the list completely disappears.
Also see how it doesn't remember width (1.1 MB GIF):
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01-23-2013, 03:29 AM
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Suggestions:
1)Don't like having to hold ALT to move items in the new Media Item Selector.
2)Would be nice to be able to move items across tracks.
3)If multiple items are selected in either the Media Item Selector or the Track Selector and the Filter Events dialog is being used then those filters should be applied to all selected items.
4)Might be nice to have a right-click context menu for the Track Selector that would have options for customizing the layout(meaning what appears in the columns). For example if a person did'nt want the Mute and Solo buttons but instead they wanted Vol. and Pan controls..., actually it would be so nice to have all of the controls from the TCP available here so that if you are working with the MIDI editor full-screen you don't have to switch back to the main window to make track adjustments.
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01-23-2013, 03:30 AM
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Definitely YES to all of above 4!
I would add I'd like to reorder those columns in the Track List. And skin the buttons (what are the filenames if they're already skinnable?)!
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01-23-2013, 03:51 AM
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Yes to all except for first request as before we had to hold alt it was so easy to accidentally move an item and even now it's too easy to move it to a wrong place.
Perhaps if it followed the grid a bit better. Difficult one.
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01-23-2013, 03:56 AM
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One for later down the Dev road might be to allow you to grab and drag a group of notes from the midi editor and then drag it and hover it over another item in the midi item Selector which will then switch the editor to display that item. After its done this you can then drop the notes onto the midi editor.
This could be a cool way to drag and drop notes from one item to another. Something used a lot in classical
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01-23-2013, 04:10 AM
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01-23-2013, 04:45 AM
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And a very good day to you, mr. White Tie!
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01-23-2013, 04:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
One for later down the Dev road might be to allow you to grab and drag a group of notes from the midi editor and then drag it and hover it over another item in the midi item Selector which will then switch the editor to display that item. After its done this you can then drop the notes onto the midi editor.
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Definitely! This should be possible by drag&dropping not just in MI selector, but in the TL as well. AND as drag&drop on items in the arrange.
Studio One, anyone?
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01-23-2013, 05:40 AM
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Very nice guys. Looking good.
minor issue #1: Wanting some tooltips on the tracklist.
minor issue #2: Perhaps the track list can have a "mirror track selection" so that it reflects track selection to the TCP as well?
And please do keep in mind these issues:
1) working with MIDI channels
2) how to work in CC lanes with multiple channels and/or items
Please add option to "show MIDI channel number on notes". Please consider additional labeling and clarification in CC lanes also.
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01-23-2013, 06:01 AM
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OSC bug still unfixed
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01-23-2013, 06:42 AM
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Good morning everyone!
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
1. Be amazing to be able to click and drag down a column (say "visibility") to multi select items/tracks (like you can in arrange and mixer)
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7. Media item selector doesn't remember that it was open last time you were in a MIDI editor and instead is closed upon re-opening a new MIDI editor. (been a bug for a while)
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10. Can't yet delete multiple items by holding a modify key and using the eraser modify.
11. Arrow keys also don't move/nudge multiply selected notes on different items.
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Will do, on all of those.
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
9. Upon closing a midi editor could collapsed/un-collapsing of any folders that was caused by the track selector window be undone.
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Is this really something people want (for the track selector not to remember folder/track collapsed/expanded state)?
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Originally Posted by run, megalodon
One thing I'm noticing so far is that selecting any item with the track selector results in all other items being rendered invisible. That seems wrong. EDIT. Actually I don't have a strong opinion on it after thinking about it.
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There is an option "clear editor when changing active media item (shift toggles)" under the Contents menu. You can change the behavior there. The shift key will toggle the behavior when clicking the visibility column (the eyeball).
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Originally Posted by typewriter
When I activate the "eyes" on several tracks and click on another track - not the icon of this track - the other eye icons are again deselected - at least sometimes.
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By default, other items should stay visible when activating a new item (that is the default setting described just above). If this isn't happening, could you give a step by step way to reproduce?
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Right, that doesn't work. Track selection in the ME track list should be mirrored in the arrange! Vice versa works.
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This is a bit complicated. Track selection per se doesn't have any meaning in the MIDI editor track list -- there is no behavior that depends on whether a track is selected or not. In the MIDI editor track list (and the track headers in the MIDI editor media item lane), track selection means "all media items on this track are selected". The reason for this is simply convenience, especially if your workflow has one long MIDI media item on each track.
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01-23-2013, 07:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
This is a bit complicated. Track selection per se doesn't have any meaning in the MIDI editor track list -- there is no behavior that depends on whether a track is selected or not. In the MIDI editor track list (and the track headers in the MIDI editor media item lane), track selection means "all media items on this track are selected". The reason for this is simply convenience, especially if your workflow has one long MIDI media item on each track.
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I don't know how much complicated it is or what corner cases would be - but sometimes you have automatic record arm turned on to easily record MIDI stuff on tracks as you need them (select track/record/done).
So if midi track list selection followed arrange track list selection, it would be easier/faster to record midi directly from the editor (with upper method)
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01-23-2013, 07:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Is this really something people want (for the track selector not to remember folder/track collapsed/expanded state)?
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No. I want it remembered. Especially track list width, along with collapsed states!
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Originally Posted by Breeder
I don't know how much complicated it is or what corner cases would be - but sometimes you have automatic record arm turned on to easily record MIDI stuff on tracks as you need them (select track/record/done).
So if midi track list selection followed arrange track list selection, it would be easier/faster to record midi directly from the editor (with upper method)
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Exactly this. Auto-arming then recording is the way I work, too. This will make it easier to work with just the MIDI editor in the long run.
Plus, if only Reaper's screensets would FINALLY WORK PROPERLY with multiple monitors, that would be even more awesome. Currently, screensets do not remember the sizes of undocked windows, so if I undock a mixer then fullscreen it on another monitor, this is not remembered. Same thing with MIDI editor - if it's undocked and fullscreened on another monitor, this is NOT remembered. This is BASIC functionality, guys!
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01-23-2013, 07:10 AM
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H.B., M.N.!
Yay MIDI, too.
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01-23-2013, 07:22 AM
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Have you guys found the bug that makes the MIDI editor not stay docked for new items. My ME just won't stay docked over the course of a project, I have to keep re-docking it. It is soooo annoying.
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01-23-2013, 07:24 AM
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You might want to post your reaper.ini and a test project file for Cockos to work that one out?
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01-23-2013, 07:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Argle
Have you guys found the bug that makes the MIDI editor not stay docked for new items. My ME just won't stay docked over the course of a project, I have to keep re-docking it. It is soooo annoying.
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Fixing, no need for the .ini file.
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01-23-2013, 07:33 AM
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Bumping about that osc messages. Do you know why is reaper sending that strange values for currently selected fx plugin?
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01-23-2013, 07:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
Happy bday MN!
thank you
Although it's not working completely for fx windows:
OSX 10.6.8
R 4,33pre1 32 & 64bit
- mousing over an unfocussed fx window's 'toolbar' header does force the cursor to switch, but mousing over the fx gui does not
- when an fx window is focussed, the cursor doesn't switch back to its other variants, for example in the arrange/edit window - no marquee cursor, no edge adjustment arrows etc.
-- an exception to the above that I have seen so far, is:
--- focus a floating fx window
--- hover the mouse cursor over the arrange/edit page - cursor does not change as it should
--- press a modifier key - cursor switches to marquee cursor (or the appropriate cursor for user's MMs)
--- now, the cursor will be stuck on the marquee cursor image, even when mousing over other elements in the arrange, or back over the fx window
--- pressing a modifier again will latch the cursor to a new image ....
Hope that makes sense! Can do some gifs this evening, no time atm.
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This is only for Carbon FX windows, right?
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