German DAW top 10: REAPER is at #6.

stupeT · 02-25-2010, 03:57 AM

With the best possible "3 stars" review, though.

http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page...d=9&list_id=28

Cubase at #3 and now guess who is #1?

El-Rallef · 02-25-2010, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stupeT

Cubase at #3 [...]

What more can you expect from a company that requires you to buy a USB hardware dongle just to run their demo version?

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products...alversion.html

If I were in charge of the company, I would probably fire the moron who came up with this scheme...

El-Rallef

stupeT · 02-25-2010, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Rallef

What more can you expect from a company that requires you to buy a USB hardware dongle just to run their demo version?

If I were in charge of the company, I would probably fire the moron who came up with this scheme...

El-Rallef

Thats right. Recently I found out that Kontakt 4 cannot import Halion 3 libraries "because Steinberg encrypted" those... BUAH!!!

El-Rallef · 02-25-2010, 05:06 AM

Actually, Cubase isn't really a product. It's just something that comes bundled with cheap hardware.

Bubbagump · 02-25-2010, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Rallef

If I were in charge of the company, I would probably fire the moron who came up with this scheme...

Been in business a long time and one thing that I have learned, the worst ideas often come from the top.... so likely not able to be fired.

Fabian · 02-25-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stupeT

http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page...d=9&list_id=28

Why is Reaper's trend downwards...?

fandango · 02-25-2010, 07:15 AM

re:#10 Oh Tracktion, how I miss thee.

Thou werest beautiful, truly beloved by musicians. But verily the corruption of corporate greed destroyed thee, ravished thy looks, and made thee worthless.

(but seriously, to this day, I never found an application that made the process of making music as 'immediate' and enjoyable as Tracktion. I left it after v2 (certain problems with Sends and Kontakt), but Mackie's involvement wrecked everything.)

gofer · 02-25-2010, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabian

Why is Reaper's trend downwards...?

I guess, because MOTU BPM is a new entry and jumped right in at #5.

stupeT · 02-25-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fandango

(but seriously, to this day, I never found an application that made the process of making music as 'immediate' and enjoyable as Tracktion. I left it after v2 (certain problems with Sends and Kontakt), but Mackie's involvement wrecked everything.)

What Mackie for Tracktion is Apple for Logic is Pinnacle for Cubase, and so forth... Never change a winning team.

vassago · 02-25-2010, 08:26 AM

you guys miss the point completly, Cubase is the music industry equivalent of a japanese puzzle box. It opens somehow, you just have to find out how to do it and it is supposed to be fun!

As for Cubase being there for a long time, the K car from Chrysler in one of the best selling can in history...is it the best car you can get now or even could get at the time? NO!

But still, is remains one the best selling car in history.

As for Logic 9, it'S great...it's expensive...in complete and complicated but you can do anything you want. A Mercedes SUV is a great car, expensive and usually very reliable. But with my Huyndai Santa Fe, which is MUCH cheaper (like half the price), I can do the same thing as the Mercedes, luxury is suprisingly similar and reliability is more than equivalent...but I don't have the glamour of the name and I can still buy myself so stuff when I get GAS. Reaper is my Santa Fe for music production, cockosactually listens to their customers and does updates and new features within a very reasonnable time frame which is usually 1000% faster than every competitor out there!!!

Logic 9 does have the advantage to be a standard you can find is just about every commercial Studio...so for serious biz, well, choice is not an option. For semi-pros and amateurs, Reaper is a God send. (that last comment does sound wierd when taken out of context...lol)

mtsproductions · 02-25-2010, 08:39 AM

I thought they were reviewing DAW software and not Instruments, BPM is a beat sequencer that does not make it a DAW!!!!!! GENIOUSESESESEssss!!!!!!!!!!! Maybee BPM in German is DAW in english?? I dunnno

stupeT · 02-25-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mtsproductions

I thought they were reviewing DAW software and not Instruments, BPM is a beat sequencer that does not make it a DAW!!!!!! GENIOUSESESESEssss!!!!!!!!!!! Maybee BPM in German is DAW in english?? I dunnno

BPM is an abbreviation and in Germany it means

British
Popular
Music

in opposition to

Dramatic
American
Wonders

norbury brook · 02-25-2010, 09:09 AM

Cubase 5 is a great DAW.It's got a lot of great stuff with it,it's stable as hell and has a very mature/solid well designed GUI.I personally don't get on with logic but I still use cubase 5 and its a great program.Steiberg's way of doing things is a different matter but that doesn't take away from cubase 5

Speaking of Japanese puzzle,I found setting up reaper's VSTI routing more of a puzzle than cubase

MC

mtsproductions · 02-25-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stupeT

BPM is an abbreviation and in Germany it means

British
Popular
Music

in opposition to

Dramatic
American
Wonders

or

BIG
PAYING
MANUFACTURER

VS

DUMB
AMERICAN
WORKERS

mtsproductions · 02-25-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by norbury brook

Cubase 5 is a great DAW it's stable as hell

And that right there is why I dont use it.

3mph · 02-25-2010, 09:18 AM

I did a similar research recently and the results looked a lot like this. I think it's amazing, that a $60-dollar piece of software punch the air out of the buissines-standards.

I have had a lot of thought on this, and my conclusion for now is that sequencers are in general overloaded with features, as most people using a tool like this basically only needs easy-fast-reliable recording, apply various effects, using software synths and route things in different manners. All the other stuff is pimping :-)

Lawrence · 02-25-2010, 09:35 AM

My shoes are better than your shoes.

Mostly because my feet are a different size and your shoes make my toes hurt.

vassago · 02-25-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by norbury brook

Cubase 5 is a great DAW.It's got a lot of great stuff with it,it's stable as hell and has a very mature/solid well designed GUI.I personally don't get on with logic but I still use cubase 5 and its a great program.Steiberg's way of doing things is a different matter but that doesn't take away from cubase 5

Speaking of Japanese puzzle,I found setting up reaper's VSTI routing more of a puzzle than cubase

MC

I do admit my perception of Cubase is based mostly on Cubase 3 (the last version I owned) and a glimpse of Cubase 4...that thing crashed on me more often than I can possibly keep track of. If Steinberg got their act together and built something stable with 5, good for them because I know quite a few people who switched to Logic or ProTools because of their past crash fest.

As for routing, I guess it is as always it is to each their own

I just can't digest the Cubase way of routing things, I find Logic more intuitive...obviously a lot of people disagree with me

mtsproductions · 02-25-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by vassago

I do admit my perception of Cubase is based mostly on Cubase 3 (the last version I owned) and a glimpse of Cubase 4...that thing crashed on me more often than I can possibly keep track of. If Steinberg got their act together and built something stable with 5, good for them because I know quite a few people who switched to Logic or ProTools because of their past crash fest.

As for routing, I guess it is as always it is to each their own

I just can't digest the Cubase way of routing things, I find Logic more intuitive...obviously a lot of people disagree with me

I thought this was a Reaper user forum?

Not that you guys aren't welcome here

norbury brook · 02-25-2010, 02:55 PM

just wanting to put some perspective into this thread.I've been a reaper user/supporter since v1.x and have been a long time steinberg user too since the 1980's so I have a good working view of both

MC

3mph · 02-25-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence

My shoes are better than your shoes.
Mostly because my feet are a different size and your shoes make my toes hurt.

But statistics like this shows that a lot of people try to wear shoes that doesn't fit, huh?

shanabit · 02-25-2010, 03:39 PM

You guys sound like 5 year olds here.

A DAW is a DAW. Its the idiot in front of it that cant use it thats the problem. Reaper doesnt RULE any more than the rest of them

Peace

If Reaper adds a good way to do Multitrack Drum editing a la Beat Detective/Elastic Audio, it will quickly move up that ranking

3mph · 02-25-2010, 03:41 PM

Does too.

shanabit · 02-25-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by norbury brook

Cubase 5 is a great DAW.It's got a lot of great stuff with it,it's stable as hell and has a very mature/solid well designed GUI.I personally don't get on with logic but I still use cubase 5 and its a great program.Steiberg's way of doing things is a different matter but that doesn't take away from cubase 5

MC

+1 Very true

airon · 02-25-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence

My shoes are better than your shoes.

Mostly because my feet are a different size and your shoes make my toes hurt.

The only surprise for me is Protools. But then, that Motu program is in there too, so I will probably not check that site again in the coming gigaseconds.

s0c7 · 02-25-2010, 05:31 PM

And while I LOVE FL!!
I wouldn't have even considered is for the DAW category !
And Samplitude - another GREAT DAW, but expensive as hell - is not even listed.. ??

JHughes · 02-25-2010, 05:47 PM

Interesting that PT is the only one that received two stars,

stupeT · 02-26-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JHughes

Interesting that PT is the only one that received two stars,

Maybe PT is not amateuerish enough?!?

El-Rallef · 02-26-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by norbury brook

Cubase 5 is a great DAW.

It was not the functionality that drove me away from Cubase. It's their Gestapo methods for licensing and copy protection that made me look into Reaper - in spite of the fact that I own a "full" Cubase license plus several LE licenses that came with hardware...

El-Rallef

stupeT · 02-26-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Rallef

It was not the functionality that drove me away from Cubase. It's their Gestapo methods for licensing and copy protection that made me look into Reaper - in spite of the fact that I own a "full" Cubase license plus several LE licenses that came with hardware...

El-Rallef

+1 Same here.

chrisharbin · 02-26-2010, 02:13 AM

Motu BPM, er, am I missing something?

Fabian · 02-26-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Rallef

It was not the functionality that drove me away from Cubase. It's their Gestapo methods for licensing and copy protection that made me look into Reaper - in spite of the fact that I own a "full" Cubase license plus several LE licenses that came with hardware...

El-Rallef

Same here. I never got around to examine the functionality of Cubase 4 LE that came with my audio card. The installation and registration p***ed me off before even getting to try it out...

GreyBeard · 02-26-2010, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Rallef

It was not the functionality that drove me away from Cubase. It's their Gestapo methods for licensing and copy protection that made me look into Reaper - in spite of the fact that I own a "full" Cubase license plus several LE licenses that came with hardware...

El-Rallef

Any kind of copy protection is a pain in the ass. I find it easier to use the dongle than the activate/deactivate internet option that audition and finale uses.

In my opinion reaper is #6 because of its weak midi editor and lack of score editor. But, because it is so strong in everything else it still made it into the top 10. If a person doesn't need big midi or score editing, Reaper is their best choice by far.

Third Son · 02-26-2010, 04:39 AM

I just got Cubase LE that came with my GR4 Session. I tried to activate it just to see what all the buzz was about. Couldn't even do that. I put it back in the sleeve and forgot about it.....

I am still a happy Reaper user :-)

sumpm1 · 02-26-2010, 08:17 AM

I don't speak German, and didn't try running the site through google translator. So I can't tell if this list is a popularity vote by some users, or if someone actually took the time to compare them. Because if it is a comparison by someone at that site, several things would appear strange to me on that list. For example, ProTools has 2 stars, less than Reaper's 3 stars, but is rated above it; kind of like something my phone company would do on my bill. Also, there are several software packages that many of us would not consider to be a DAW, in the same way that we would not consider Notepad to be a Word processing suite! Finally, Reaper is down on the list with FLStudio, which I am a fan and ex-user of, but would not consider an "audio recording" program.

Edit: I ran the page through google translate and found that this list is just based on user votes. So in that case, the list is not surprising to me, and is only a reflection of which software package is most widely used.

stupeT · 02-26-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sumpm1

Edit: I ran the page through google translate and found that this list is just based on user votes. So in that case, the list is not surprising to me, and is only a reflection of which software package is most widely used.

Correct. Top 10 popularity.

The stars are given by the girls who reviewed the DAWs on their site.