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Old 04-11-2018, 01:50 PM   #1
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Default German and Russian speakers - I request your tongue!

Am hoping some can assist with a song of mine I am working on that is a sort of war song -

Simple Request: *record* the words 'man down' spoken - sort of nonchalantly, or however, more variety the better ( there were alot of men down after all...). I'd like it spoken in Russian & german.

Credit will be given!

Song is From the perspective of a ww2 German soldier on Eastern front who finds himself up a tree and subsequently shot by a Russian. (This happened to my gpa..)


Would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance..

( further posts are helpful too with alternative phrases)

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Old 04-11-2018, 02:20 PM   #2
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Do you want "man down" spoken with an accent or do you want a translation (which I don't decently seem to be able to come up with).

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hey Michael

the German equivalent?

ideally whatever the term for a just 'downed'/injured soldier is in the language. i can investigate a bit.. my father speaks it not though great these days after 70 yrs in Wales..

i do know there was a term 'home leave shot' that soldiers used for a non life threatening injury that meant some time off!

edit: google!

Heimatschuss - "homeland shot"

if had the above and a 'man down' or similar thatd' be great.. need some RED interest too though...

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Rather verbally it would be "gefallen" (fallen down). But in German this implies that he is dead, not just injured, and is used in an epitaph and not in the field.

I think the most accurate translation of what you are meaning would be "Mann am Boden", but I'm not sure that this is commonly used in that way.

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Ok, I'll try to help you with Russian version. Do you mean the words spoken after someone is injured, but still alive? Should we just speak it in other language? Could you please explain what exactly should be spoken? I mean could you please more specific in this phrase? Maybe you can record an example of sentence, where this phrase can be used?
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I would suggest:

Soldat verwundet - soldier wounded
Soldat angeschossen - soldier get shoot (but not dead (yet))

Maybe instead of 'Soldat' just 'Mann' (man) would also work.

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Ok, I'll try to help you with Russian version. Do you mean the words spoken after someone is injured, but still alive? Should we just speak it in other language? Could you please explain what exactly should be spoken? I mean could you please more specific in this phrase? Maybe you can record an example of sentence, where this phrase can be used?
Cool thank you!
Literally just spoken in e.g in russian

Ok:

Either an exact translation of "man down"

Or if there is known phrase referring to the fact that a (comrade) has just been injured in the field.

Spoken calmy or as if you were there, both are good.

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I would suggest:

Soldat verwundet - soldier wounded
Soldat angeschossen - soldier get shoot (but not dead (yet))

Maybe instead of 'Soldat' just 'Mann' (man) would also work.
Thanks bjorg,
I did find an interesting list of phrases used but there was nothing like the above -

So either a direct translation of 'man down' or any of the above
Inc 'homeland shot' ( Heimatschuss ) would be ample.

Have a vague idea how this will work in the end but I think it should sound cool!
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I stick with guessing that "Mann am Boden" (or maybe better "Soldat am Boden") might be rather appropriate, if you want to describe a situation on the battlefield without with the shouter not knowing if the man is still alive and not knowing who was the one who shot at him.

My son is a trained classical singer. He does bass, but his range is very broad, so he could do a rather deep sounding clip or any mail voice attitude you like. I suppose the expression should be rather agitated. Shouting ? Angry ? Sad ? Horrified ?

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Thanks again.
Well given such choice I would like at least one sort of 'dead pan' slightly emotionless spoken at conversation level - close mic style for example , but any shouted & agitated / concerned / hurried - perhaps at a distance from mic welcome too.

As for wording anything you think appropriate.

I can mimick German ok as although can't speak it I am used to hearing it alot, so I imagine can create more 'characters' once have a reference or two.

I don't want to invite too much effort just happy with whatever ingredients I can get!

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From your OP, it sounds like you want a phrase from the perspective of the soldier (your gpa) who was shot.

In German, that is simply "Ich wurde erschossen" (I've been shot).

Alternate perspectives:

Mein Kamerad wurde erschossen (My comrade's been shot).

Unser Scharfschütze wurde erschossen (Our sniper's been shot).

Unser Scharfschütze im Baum wurde erschossen (Our sniper in the tree has been shot).

Any of those phrases work?
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From your OP, it sounds like you want a phrase from the perspective of the soldier (your gpa) who was shot.
Any of those phrases work?
I'm also not sure, what exactly meaning it has.
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:54 PM   #13
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From your OP, it sounds like you want a phrase from the perspective of the soldier (your gpa) who was shot.

In German, that is simply "Ich wurde erschossen" (I've been shot).

Alternate perspectives:

Mein Kamerad wurde erschossen (My comrade's been shot).

Unser Scharfschütze wurde erschossen (Our sniper's been shot).

Unser Scharfschütze im Baum wurde erschossen (Our sniper in the tree has been shot).

Any of those phrases work?
Sorry, the idea initially was not necessarily the victims perspective but what soldiers would likely say (so more slang/informal language) when one of their colleagues takes a shot /is injured /killed.

The idea is that it has universal relevance to all wars and less about an individual.

For example the line as song ends is:

Man down.. man down, (there's another one), man down, (and another one), man down. boy down, (he's another one) man down ( I'm the other one )...


You get the idea.


Am trying to be clear but also I am open to such ideas as above which are good too!

A Mixture of relevant phrases would work well tbh.

Depending on material I envisage the voices will be swirling around the injured man's head whilst in a daze.. so making perfect sense overall is not important.

Sticking rigidly to pre conceived ideas is something I try to avoid so plz whatever I can get is great!

Sorry if lacked clarity, intially a literal translation of man down would have sufficed but you guys ask good questions!

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Sorry, the idea initially was not necessarily the victims perspective but what soldiers would likely say (so more slang/informal language) when one of their colleagues takes a shot /is injured /killed.

The idea is that it has universal relevance to all wars and less about an individual.

For example the line as song ends is:

Man down.. man down, (there's another one), man down, (and another one), man down. boy down, (he's another one) man down ( I'm the other one )...


You get the idea.


Am trying to be clear but also I am open to such ideas as above which are good too!

A Mixture of relevant phrases would work well tbh.

Depending on material I envisage the voices will be swirling around the injured man's head whilst in a daze.. so making perfect sense overall is not important.

Sticking rigidly to pre conceived ideas is something I try to avoid so plz whatever I can get is great!

Sorry if lacked clarity, intially a literal translation of man down would have sufficed but you guys ask good questions!
Man down.. man down, (there's another one), man down, (and another one), man down. boy down, (he's another one) man down ( I'm the other one )...

Let's try something more literal...

Mann runter... Mann runter (dort noch einer), Mann runter (und noch einer), Mann runter. Junge runter (er ist noch einer) Mann runter (ich bin der nächste)...

I used "I'm the next one" instead of "I'm the other one", which didn't work right in German for me.

Man down = Mann runter

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hi maartian - cheers

to be clear those lines don't need a direct translation - i gave it an example to give an idea of whats going on in the song, but that's also gut stuff..

also for clarity - is it possible to record those words spoken in german - in Flagstaff,Bavaria?

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hi maartian - cheers

to be clear those lines don't need a direct translation - i gave it an example to give an idea of whats going on in the song, but that's also gut stuff..

also for clarity - is it possible to record those words spoken in german - in fFagstaff,Bavaria?

thanks in advance
is it possible to record those words spoken in german?

I'll get right on it.



I'll try to keep the Arizona accent to a minimum.

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I'll have something for you tomorrow. The wind is blowing a gale at the moment. My studio is in my loft, top floor, 20 feet up in the ponderosas, which are banging occasionally against my house.

Flagstaff, Bavaria? I've lived in Bavaria. Never heard of the dorf. :P
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Do you want 48K/24-bit or 44.1K/24-bit .WAV files?

What's the song's BPM? (to give me a sense of the cadence)

I'm thinking of building a bunch of minimally processed short clips (like "Mann runter") in a few styles for each phrase. You can then mix, match and process to your heart's content.
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ha! cool cheersc maartian but don't over think it!
you could sound like you're up a tree with the weather so thats authentic btw!

format am easy really, the sounds could end up ( processed by me )highly filtered old-radio style or blanketed in fx or up front & clean, don't know till i get there - and reaper of course doesn't care about format thankfully.

initially i sought just an almost monotone emotionless close conversation (kind of if reading it from a book) level spoken word,
but the above ideas in the thread means some distance shouted or 'other' is welcome, after that go wild!

the german i can probably copy as not useless at it, some russian be cool too of anyone bites and make it very clear its a 'war sucks' number and not a nazi glorification number...

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Giving up due to too much confusion.
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@BenK-msx, so will you use it as one(two)-way radio speech? If yes, do you need special words like affirmative, roger that?
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The words "Man down" translated and spoken in German plus equivalent phrases that some have mentioned if you feel like it.
Spoken conversation level.

Anything else you can think of is bonus.

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@BenK-msx, so will you use it as one(two)-way radio speech? If yes, do you need special words like affirmative, roger that?
No - just the words "man down" ( or equlivalant used by soliders as mentioned elsewhere in thread) translated & spoken is great. Thanks.




Shouted in addition is a bonus.

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I know someone in Moscow I could ask, if a woman's voice is OK. I could pitch-shift her down. LOL
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I know someone in Moscow I could ask, if a woman's voice is OK. I could pitch-shift her down. LOL
Gender question is interesting - could work actually.

A phone recording is fine these days i don't want any hassle for anyone..

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Gender question is interesting - could work actually.

A phone recording is fine these days i don't want any hassle for anyone..
She's a locked and loaded recording musician (teaches guitar). I'll PM her.
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Default ACHTUNG!! the time approaches

now calling anyone regards this request for a few short recorded words translated & spoken in german & russian:

man down (both languages) - ideal: close mic emotionless conversational vibe - and/or distant shouted emotional.

home leave shot ( german ) - more light hearted - like 'ah that's a home leave shot you lucky git) or whatever.

anything you feel appropriate as discussed above in thread.


you are the ingredients. me chef/cook/dish washer

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Supposedly theere is no "Translation" for such idioms, there might be shouts with nearly appropriate meanings.

While it's rather easy to guess the meaning of "man down" (see above for multiple options), I have no idea what a "home leave shot" might be (or a "home leave" that had been shot).

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I think a German translation for "man down" would have been "Mann gefallen!" or "Treffer!" or as I found here, German soldiers say "Dauerurlaubsschein" for falling in war, dying. For a head shot or head injury, soldiers say "Dachschaden". A "Heimatschuss" is a slight wound, but severe enough to receive "Heimaturlaub" for recovery. I can't make any audio recordings because I'm snuffy. Maybe someone else will be found to do the recording.
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@BenK-msx, sorry man. My mic doesn't want to work with a combo jack. Would it be enough to record the voice with a smartphone?
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Heimatschuss is I believe what roughly translates as a 'home leave' shot.

Russian not needed for that one.

Beyond that a literal translation of man down or injured colleague etc..


Vitalker smartphone is fine - as long as its a pcm highest sampling rate your recording app allows. They normally allow a cd quality setting.


The words mawi suggested seem a good start:
Mann gefallen etc. Russian equivalants welcome too of course.


Thanks again
Edit: if anyone is interested in a tease of the w.i.p track I can d.m a link - might help motivation ?

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@BenK-msx, here are two versions (spelling: "u nas poteri" and "yest' ranenyi")
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Yay cool will check out properly this evening, heard one on my tablet and sounds good! thanks alot.

Can now see how this idea unfolds, hopefully not a dud! Doubt it.

Themaartian indicates something coming so too this is all excellent ingredients.
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I wish you good luck! Will be glad to listen to the song
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Never been in the army myself, but in German "runter" is something done actively. So one might shout "Runter!" to make everybody hearing it duck or crouch for cover (because of "Incoming!"). "Mann runter" sounds completely off. Lacking experience (phew) I can't say what they actually would announce in case of injury, maybe "Soldat (or "Mann") am Boden"? At least that would sound like proper German. I could imagine "Mann (Soldat) gefallen" could be it as well, even though "gefallen" strictly means "dead".
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PM sent with a Dropbox link, Ben.

RE "runter"...absolutely correct. I gave up on a 2-3 syllable German equivalent for "man down", so I went with something else. If I get a thumbs-down from Ben, I'll try again.
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Coolio!

Will check out in studio in a couple of hrs, thanks hugely. Am sure it's all useful.

Have been tidiying project ready to attack the section in question, think its an opportunity to try sub projects out actually - exciting -
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Old 04-27-2018, 01:43 PM   #38
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Adding to the confusion:

If "man down" means "soldiers, you need to hurry to hide", the German equivalent shout would be "In Deckung !!!".

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Old 04-27-2018, 07:05 PM   #39
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cheers all. to avoid further confusion

Heimatschuss

any versions of that said as if your buddy got hit but will be ok and you all think he's got lucky by going home for a while.

i can manage myself with that but notably different voices could be good.

cheers again, begining to work on things, but bit of a sound 'montage' and isn't the work of an evening.
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cheers all. to avoid further confusion

"Heimatschuss"
I am rather sure that close to no German native speaker will guess that meaning with that (potential) idiom . And I doubt that there is a short well known idiom expressing the meaning you suggest.

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