Old 09-10-2012, 08:53 AM   #81
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this is going back to earlier in the thread, but i just wanna say:

if we are making threads or posts debating whether or not you can tell the difference between a VSTi piano, and a real piano, then the VSTis are good enough.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:11 AM   #82
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Well guys, I just try to chime in with something that maybe could a different point of view to this interesting threat.

I am no songwriter. Maybe once in the cellar, down there with my mates, tons of beer and wine, I was one. But as the band stopped existing, I just went on.
Not being a very gifted musician ever since, I managed to get into computer production (as in producing whole songs in a computer, not recording/mixing others) some time later. With this development I didn’t try to compensate my shortcomings with playing instruments, but rather looked for a working approach which fitted my skillset and expectations. At first I have simply been curious bout what to do with a computer which turned out to gave birth to some really ugly tunes (fortunately, now being burried somewhere on my old hard drive and owhere else). Also, during this time I learned that electronic musicians don’t have to be good musicians in the traditional sense. Their skills can rather be compared to the skills a good DJ needs. But still, what’s coming out of their brains is music.
Being a student that time, it took me some time to get hold of a working pair of speakers, a keyboard and some descent audio interface (the latter still being with me). Needless to say, apart of my trusty guitar, real instruments (especially synths) were far out of sight for me. But in some way, that turned out being okay. I managed to master software so that I could bring out some sounds I would have never been able to accomplish without the computer as my ‘instrument’ (and, of course, without the editing features of my DAW). Okay, honestly my tracks often lacked much of the spontaneity and expression I could have achieved with some tangible sort of synths. But the point is, I tried to make the DAW my instrument rather than just a recording device. This surely is an approach which would not have been possible before the digital age, but this is just fine to me. Culture moves on with technology, and so does the music. Print graphics wouldn’t be possible without printing technology, the same applies to photography, video and so on. So why not?
So, my music wouldn’t even be similar to what it is now without the extensive use of the computer and its possibilities. And therefore I love it.
Today I also have a small but nice collection of outboard stuff which I usually combine with the digital stuff on my HD and which helps me to give my sound a bit more of an organic feel.
Please note: I DO love the sound of analog instruments. But this love combined with the aforementioned shortcomings gave me the skills to mimic some of the analog feel (even without having the best of recent VSTs) but at the same time keeping a computer-centered approach.

Long story short, I am quite sure one does not need to have all the analog gems we all want to have to produce a wonderful piece of music. If it’s a good tune, I do not care how it was achieved. I just enjoy it.

Just my 2¢

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Old 09-11-2012, 08:49 AM   #83
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I didn’t try to compensate my shortcomings with playing instruments, but rather looked for a working approach which fitted my skillset and expectations.
There is the intelligent approach right there.

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If it’s a good tune, I do not care how it was achieved. I just enjoy it.
Right! Give me a good tune,on an old guitar, or piano, badly recorded, and I will still play it over and over,

There was a musician named Ted Hawkins, who used to hang out on Venice Beach and busk, playing his old acoustic guitar, which was tuned to an open E Major chord. He only played major chords in all his songs, which were mostly covers, and he always wore a leather glove on his fret hand, so he could bar the neck, comfortably.

He had a terrific gravel voice. I mean, "the voice of the ages".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s2_4...eature=related

Apparently, he was very well received in Europe, but only minimally in the States. He had done TV, and had some success, but now he just dubbed his old albums from vinyl to cassette tape,on a home stereo. He was selling them for $10, and they were selling like hotcakes, because of that voice. I, like everyone around who heard him, was completely enamored by that voice.

I bought one.

It was a piece of shit recording, at best. But, I love that tape. Still have it. I even have his picture hanging on my studio wall. The performances are just phenomenal, to me. They speak to my heart and everything else.

All I am saying is: The magic in music is contained within us, it's not in the equipment we use.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:04 AM   #84
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All I am saying is: The magic in music is contained within us, it's not in the equipment we use.
I have nothing more to add here

… and thanks for pointing me towards Ted. He’s indeed got a beautiful voice.
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Old 09-11-2012, 02:22 PM   #85
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Right! Give me a good tune,on an old guitar, or piano, badly recorded, and I will still play it over and over.
An old upright with a ton of mojo
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