Old 04-06-2016, 12:44 PM   #1
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Hi, newbie here. The MIDI drums played either by CoolSOftVirtualMIDISYnth or GTG DPC 3 plugin are totally silent on rendering. Other MIDI instruments or wav files render ok. What is wrong? I would be very grateful for help.
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Old 04-06-2016, 01:55 PM   #2
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Maybe try "Online" render ...
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:58 AM   #3
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Hi, newbie here. The MIDI drums played either by CoolSOftVirtualMIDISYnth or GTG DPC 3 plugin are totally silent on rendering. Other MIDI instruments or wav files render ok. What is wrong? I would be very grateful for help.
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Hi gosianmk, and welcome to the forum.

We need more info to know what your problem might be.

How did you try to render?

How are the VSTis set up, have they all got separate outputs?
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Hi gosianmk, and welcome to the forum.

We need more info to know what your problem might be.

How did you try to render?

How are the VSTis set up, have they all got separate outputs?
I inserted some midi tracks in my project (written in Musescore). They sound well with the other wav tracks but totally disappear during rendering.
I tried rendering full speed offline, online (every option), to mp3, wav whatever. As for VSTis set up - probably i'm using some default settings. The midis do not react to VST effects.
What could this be?
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I inserted some midi tracks in my project (written in Musescore). They sound well with the other wav tracks but totally disappear during rendering.
So you can hear and see, that the midi tracks are playing the correct VSTi?

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I tried rendering full speed offline, online (every option), to mp3, wav whatever. As for VSTis set up - probably i'm using some default settings. The midis do not react to VST effects.
What could this be?
Midi tracks will not work with VST FX unless they are specifically Midi FX, because Midi is not audio.

VSTi will have there own audio outputs, especially if they have multiple outputs. Sometimes the VSTi track is the audio output.

Also you need to send the midi track to the VSTi track.
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Thank you, Tod, the sound is rendering now. However, after adding the vsti instruments the sound worsened remarkably and is too quiet. What should I do?

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Thank you, Tod, the sound is rendering now. However, after adding the vsti instruments the sound worsened remarkably and is too quiet. What should I do?

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Hey M, we kind of need more information, maybe some screenshots or better yet, post your Reaper RPP file. Mainly we just need to check out your routing.

I especially don't understand this part.

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However, after adding the vsti instruments the sound worsened remarkably and is too quiet.
If you didn't have a VSTi instrument in the first place, you should not have gotten any sound. I don't think you're understanding the difference between audio and midi, and how it all relates to VSTi instruments.
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Old 05-26-2016, 02:11 PM   #8
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Putting things into a nutshell:
1. insert *.mid into a track (editable by midi editor)
2. set output for this track as CoolSoftVirtualMidiSynth and "send to original channels" and obtain beautiful sound while playing - but absent upon rendering - wavs mp3s included in the project are rendered perfectly.

If in FX effects i insert some DSK instrument and for output instead of CoolSoftVirtualMidiSynth choose nothing and "send to original channels" the sound renders but it is very silent and the quality seems worse.

The question is: is there possibility to render the sound heard through CoolSoftVMSynth?

Thanks, best
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Old 05-26-2016, 02:33 PM   #9
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Putting things into a nutshell:
1. insert *.mid into a track (editable by midi editor)
2. set output for this track as CoolSoftVirtualMidiSynth and "send to original channels" and obtain beautiful sound while playing - but absent upon rendering - wavs mp3s included in the project are rendered perfectly.

If in FX effects i insert some DSK instrument and for output instead of CoolSoftVirtualMidiSynth choose nothing and "send to original channels" the sound renders but it is very silent and the quality seems worse.

The question is: is there possibility to render the sound heard through CoolSoftVMSynth?

Thanks, best
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Hi Gosia, I still think it's your routing.

Does the CoolSoftVMSynth have an added output track or is the CoolSoftVMSynth track itself the output track.

You've got your midi track and it's routing is setup like this?

Midi Track Routing> CoolSoftVMSynth (Audio: Non _ MIDI All -> "X"), "X" being the midi channel.

From there it depends on how you've got "CoolSoftVMSynth" set up?

I tried to google "CoolSoftVMSynth" but came up empty, so I'm not sure how it works.

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@Tod

The CoolSoftVMSynth is a replacement for the deprecated "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth".

http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth

it's located behind the reaper as MidiSynth, --> "no sound" in reaper's rendered output. (Maybe there is a way to route the output back to reaper, but that concept is somehow knotted.)

it has to be fed with sf2-files.

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Go the VSTI-way and put your instruments inside the reaper.

Those DSK-Vsti aren't too bad but far away from very good.

For better drumsounds you can take MandaAudios MTPowerdrumkit, f.i. , http://www.powerdrumkit.com/

or there are free sampleplayers that can handle those sf2-files.

the old sfz+ from cakewalk (don't know if there is an official downloadsite anymore)

or the sforzando , https://www.plogue.com/products/sforzando/
or tx16w ,http://www.tx16wx.com/
or you get some samples and build your own drumkit with the reasamplomatic (builtin reaper-plugin)

there are more decent vsti-drums. Tod can help here.

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@Tod

The CoolSoftVMSynth is a replacement for the deprecated "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth".

http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth

it's located behind the reaper as MidiSynth, --> "no sound" in reaper's rendered output. (Maybe there is a way to route the output back to reaper, but that concept is somehow knotted.)

it has to be fed with sf2-files.

@Thread

Go the VSTI-way and put your instruments inside the reaper.

Those DSK-Vsti aren't too bad but far away from very good.

For better drumsounds you can take MandaAudios MTPowerdrumkit, f.i. , http://www.powerdrumkit.com/

or there are free sampleplayers that can handle those sf2-files.

the old sfz+ from cakewalk (don't know if there is an official downloadsite anymore)

or the sforzando , https://www.plogue.com/products/sforzando/
or tx16w ,http://www.tx16wx.com/
or you get some samples and build your own drumkit with the reasamplomatic (builtin reaper-plugin)

there are more decent vsti-drums. Tod can help here.
Aah okay and thanks bobobo, that explains a little.

@Gosia, bobobo provided the link to the MTPowerdrumkit and it's a good one.

SMDrums is also a decent set and you can get it totally free. I suggest the one that comes with Sforzando, it not only has great control for the kit but it also has DFD which can be very important for keeping your RAM down. You can get it at the link below.

https://smmdrums.wordpress.com/category/sfz/
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Old 05-31-2016, 10:25 AM   #12
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Thanks Tod, thakns bobobo, i'm going to try the the links.

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Old 07-09-2017, 04:40 AM   #13
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Just a little more on CoolSoft- works well enough except if choosing VMSynth, other competing midi devices like GS wavetable are clobbered.
Here's a discussion of interest.
It would be nice for Reaper dilettantes to be able to select various soundfonts through the (as yet non-existent) API to test, but it seems that VST is king, although CoolSoft was thinking about compatibility at some stage.
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