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Old 12-22-2014, 02:48 AM   #41
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Also, if the new vol env scaling is supposed to follow the track volume slider, it should work within the volume slider range. Currently it has a separate setting for volume envelope range, which caps at +6 dB. I have my volume slider range set to +12 dB at max, and volume envelope doesn't quite follow this.
I don't agree with you : I like to be able to draw envelopes at very low levels, but I prefer the fader to have a smaller range. I don't need to set it to very low levels, I prefer to have a better accurate range in a small length.

Perhaps that the envelope range could be a separate option ? It could match or not the fader.
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Concerning the volume curve, could we have a sign on the objets that indicates, for this object, to which curve type it is set ?
Perhaps a different colour ?

I am afraid that it will be a mess when I will work with projects that have been started with the old curve.
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Default [Improvement] loading screensets

Loading screensets takes much longer than in 4.76
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I don't agree with you : I like to be able to draw envelopes at very low levels, but I prefer the fader to have a smaller range. I don't need to set it to very low levels, I prefer to have a better accurate range in a small length.

Perhaps that the envelope range could be a separate option ? It could match or not the fader.
You can disagree all you want, but if the intention of new volume scaling was to FOLLOW the volume fader range, the current behaviour is a bug, since it doesn't follow it fully. Plus, it produces wrong dB label values, too.
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Hm, I have them showing here just fine in x64 Reaper...
Urgh, i don't see it... (i didn't even see it in v4xx)
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Urgh, i don't see it... (i didn't even see it in v4xx)
Did you try with a portable install? If you can see it there, then perhaps something in your reaper.ini got messed up, and you're better off trashing it and doing it from scratch.
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:44 AM   #47
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Added the VST3 waveshell of Waves and all plugins i tried load correctly.
The sidechaining (only available for VST3 version of Waves VST plugins) is not working though. So for now no functional benefit to run the VST3 version.
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The sidechaining (only available for VST3 version of Waves VST plugins) is not working though. So for now no functional benefit to run the VST3 version.
Noooo! Have you noticed performance improvements?
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Woo hoo! About to catch a train but will be checking this all out soon!

And so it begins!
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Yaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! v5.0pre1 - December 21 2014
What a nice surprise!!!!! Thank you very much for the Christmas present!!!!

I´m really eager to see the upcoming MIDI goodies...
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Re VST3: When I saw that line, my guess was that Reaper would become able to load VST3 plug-ins and run them, effectively with VST2 functionality.

At a later stage support for some or all of the VST3 functionality may be added.
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Added the VST3 waveshell of Waves and all plugins i tried load correctly.
The sidechaining (only available for VST3 version of Waves VST plugins) is not working though. So for now no functional benefit to run the VST3 version.
What about potentially sample accurate automation and plugins not using CPU when no audio is passing into them? they are pretty big benefits (if the plugins actually use them)
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Regarding more toolbars.... I'd like even more. 32 arrange and 16 MIDI would be swell!
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Added the VST3 waveshell of Waves and all plugins i tried load correctly.
The sidechaining (only available for VST3 version of Waves VST plugins) is not working though. So for now no functional benefit to run the VST3 version.
Sidechain is working fine for me with Renaissance Compressor as VST3. I'm just using the same sidechain procedure as before with the 3/4 pins as the sidechain input.
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You can disagree all you want, but if the intention of new volume scaling was to FOLLOW the volume fader range, the current behaviour is a bug, since it doesn't follow it fully. Plus, it produces wrong dB label values, too.
I think that it follows the fader scale, not the range.
For the pleasure of everyone, there should the two options.

I didn't see that it produces wrong dB values : can you explain ?
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Visual polyphonic AT display in MIDI editor, anyone? Note off velocity lane?
Agreed! And also : MIDI-Thru? External sync fix, at last? CC resetting fix (while looping and/or pausing) ? There are also a lot of reported MIDI inaccuracies waiting to be revised... Well, this is going to be exciting...

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Regarding more toolbars.... I'd like even more. 32 arrange and 16 MIDI would be swell!
Agreed, too!
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I didn't see that it produces wrong dB values : can you explain ?



Tons of bad behaviour in Write mode.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:26 AM   #58
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Note off velocity lane?

Where is the possibilty to edit Note off release values?(piano,list....)

And bye the way 0x80-0x8F ; 0x01-7F ; 0x00 >0x00 for Note off release is not the standard..Midi Standard is 40(64).

Please integrate Note off release(velocity) edit.
Something like that:
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-off- means use Note on with vel 0
1 to 127 means use note off with this release values
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Without the possibility to edit Note off release and with your own longest possible release value 0 instead of the midi standard Note off with vel 0x40(64), or Note on with vel 0,
I can´t really work with reaper and midi.
And list edit > select one event
sets all recorded release values to 0. you can see this in raw

that´s a big bug -also happen before 5.
And import midi with overlapping or same positions events(same pitch and channel) cuts length to 0.. that´s also stupid. Please integrate a setting for automatic overlapping event adjustment with the same pitch and channel in ticks.

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Old 12-22-2014, 04:27 AM   #59
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Dont be shy now..
While you are at it devs, i want THIS as the new easter egg, thanks, and hurry up about it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjIbk1Lpr4I
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Note off velocity lane?

Where is the possibilty to edit Note off release values?(piano,list....)

And bye the way 0x80-0x8F ; 0x01-7F ; 00 >0x00 for Note off release is not the standard..Midi Standard is 40(64).

Please integrate Note off release(velocity) edit.
Something like that:
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-off- means use Note on with vel 0
1 to 127 means use note off with this values
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Without the possibility to edit Note off release and with your own longest possible release value 0 instead of the midi standard 0x40(64),
I can´t really work with reaper and midi. And list edit > select one event
sets all recorded release values to 0. you can see this in raw

that´s a big bug -also happen before 5.

Quoted for truth.
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Lots of goodies...
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Also, if the new vol env scaling is supposed to follow the track volume slider, it should work within the volume slider range. Currently it has a separate setting for volume envelope range, which caps at +6 dB. I have my volume slider range set to +12 dB at max, and volume envelope doesn't quite follow this.
Even more importantly, imho, that 'volume fader range' setting is highly misleading, as it is named incorrectly: it also affects EVERY gain related parameter in REAPER and the native ReaPlugs (e.g. ReaEQ band gain or ReaComp threshold level).

Also, its maximum value is restricted to a lower bound of +1dB, which is inconsistent with the option of a -inf...+0dB volume envelope range. We should also be able to set it to 0dB.

PS: MIDI feedback. There. I said it, again.
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Even more importantly, imho, that 'volume slider range' setting is highly misleading, as it is named incorrectly: it also affects EVERY gain related parameter in REAPER and the native ReaPlugs (e.g. ReaEQ band gain or ReaComp threshold level).

Also, its maximum value is restricted to a lower bound of +1dB, which is inconsistent with the option of a -inf...+0dB volume envelope range. We should also be able to set it to 0dB.
Indeed!


Devs, don't you think it's time to fix these little things and make Reaper more consistent?
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:44 AM   #63
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Also, while we're changing the default preferences, this one needs to be DISABLED by default, too:

Audio->Buffering->[ ] Allow on tracks with open MIDI editors (will increase MIDI preview latency)


This is very awkward and completely not needed for MIDI editing.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:46 AM   #64
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Cool, interesting stuff guys.

Re Lua
Really could do with another font in the IDE to tell the difference between a bracket and a brace 'cause they are nearly identical at the mo.
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I really like the new theme. It's sharp looking.
So sharp, in fact, that it is cutting off the top of some characters.


This is on OS X 10.9.4, using default settings, afaik.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:51 AM   #66
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Since we´re talking about automation, among other things, this is pretty basic :

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5017

Multiple Selection, reordering and resizing of automation lanes (I mean, the properties that any track presents) is something very, very useful, I think...

Allright, it doesn´t have 200+ votes, but doesn´t it make sense?


Have I mentioned MIDI, by the way?
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:51 AM   #67
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Might be me not seeing something with the automation scaling, but I don't understand the warning message when changing scaling: "Changing the volume envelope scaling will change the sound of this envelope, beause changes on the volume fader are not linearly equivalent to changes in amplitude."

The envelope points retain their values (as expected for sensible use), and so shouldn't change any sound, surely?

Is this warning an obtuse way of saying that the amplitude scaling will change and the linear position/gain relationship people are used to doesn't apply with the "fader gain" setting? Set the automation points to the same gains, or simply let REAPER rescale, and nothing should actually change apart from the visual scaling of any automation points, surely?? There's no actual automation change or change in sound, is there?

Is this is so, could this scaling warning be reworded? It really had me going "guh?" I'd bet most users don't know that the legacy scaling was linear anyway.

I do think "Fader scaling" is a good description for the new scaling though -nice succinct choice.



Edit: is there any way to set a track to single channel so that VST3 comps work properly in mono please? The missing single channel mode is long overdue




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Cool! It's a very nice start. Thanks for the early Xmas gift!

I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. Aside from VST3, not a ton of major things I was looking forward to, but I hope a lot of the annoying little things and usability improvements that don't require a ton of coding can be implemented.

Basically take a look at the Nitpicks and FR's and any long-standing requests/issues that make sense and are easy to address.

A few examples of things I'd really like, swing grid/metronome support, improved backup file logic (limit # and overwrite oldest), show track RAM usage in Performance Window, Media Explorer snap to zero-crossings selection, route Media Explorer playback to selected track (or a built in FX chain), more sensible ranges for BPM detection (no results like 32BPM for 128BPM), send note offs when editing MIDI items to prevent hanging notes etc.

I'm testing R5 now, and will be sure to report any issues.
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It would be nice to have a filter in the theme tweaker!
Oh, yesss!!!
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:05 AM   #70
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Thanks for all the feedback! We will start plowing through all of the bug reports and suggestions. There will be a lot to do, so if you feel like your bug report was overlooked when the next build comes out, please don't hesitate to remind us.

As in the past, we will be tweaking, changing, and adding features for a while before officially releasing the new version.

Interestingly, two of the features we are most excited about have hardly been commented on. In the next few days we will put out some examples of how the new video and reascript features can be used.
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I don't understand the warning message when changing scaling:
Me neither - I think it is incorrect. It seems to me that only the response of the envelope to the 'fader' should 'feel' a bit different, but the underlying envelope values should not change in any way, thus the sound should not change.

The naming seems wrong, in any case, since it says "Scaling for new envelopes" - which by definition should not be able to affect any pre-existing envelopes, and thus could not affect their sound.
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Interestingly, two of the features we are most excited about have hardly been commented on. In the next few days we will put out some examples of how the new video and reascript features can be used.
Video is of absolutely no use to me so I didn't comment about it... I've expected more on MIDI and automation side of things (and I hope it comes, IMHO automation clips is a much more exciting feature than video effects and editing - and definitely something more marketable, as it can pool in users of FL Studio and other similar DAWs, for example).

Lack of comments on those two features you're most excited about should show that not everyone shares your excitedness about them (and perhaps you shouldn't market R5 update with THOSE two features as main updates - IMHO that would be wrong) Reaper still has way too many small inconsistencies that are stepping stones of workflow. I expect a lot of them to be dealt with, now is the time.


I must say this doesn't feel like v5.0... Certainly doesn't have the same impact as when v4.0 appeared, now THAT had several WOW moments for me. But this v5.0... You guys have almost completely neglected Elevated FR list. That hurts. Groove quantize, automation items, area selection, grouping improvements... Get some of most voted elevated FRs done first, then move on to other improvements! Long standing issues still neglected. Fix the CC reset bugs when looping, and there are definitely some more happening with external MIDI out! And these are BASICS, supposed to be taken care of early on, not dragged till present day...

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Is this the real life?! Is this just fantasy?!
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Probably because small number of users work with video.Don't want to sound disrespectful or anything,but are some of Elevated FRs comming in v5?
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I'm having problems getting this pre to recognise VST3 plugins. Are you supposed to add the C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3; path to the prefs VST path list?

I can't get it to list my fabfilter VST3s at all.



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Me neither - I think it is incorrect. It seems to me that only the response of the envelope to the 'fader' should 'feel' a bit different, but the underlying envelope values should not change in any way, thus the sound should not change.

The naming seems wrong, in any case, since it says "Scaling for new envelopes" - which by definition should not be able to affect any pre-existing envelopes, and thus could not affect their sound.
What I see and hear is that the envelope points are correct in both modes, but if you change it, the amplitude curve between each point is different.
The difference will be small if there is a lot of automation points, but can be very important between points that have been put with the mouse with very different values.
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Are you supposed to add the C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3; path to the prefs VST path list?
It should be there by default, at least it was when I did a portable install.
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Interestingly, two of the features we are most excited about have hardly been commented on. In the next few days we will put out some examples of how the new video and reascript features can be used.
Mainly becuase of this, I think: Rapid Environment for Audio Prototyping and Efficient Recording

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ReaScript: integrated development environment (IDE)
Where?

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+ ReaScript: graphics/UI API (gfx*) extended, added support for Lua
Want details. Does this bring something new to JS gfx* stuff?

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+ ReaScript: integrated Lua 5.3 scripting
This is nice. Probably makes EEL totally unnecessary. GUI library with Reaper's look and feel would be nice.

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What is this? Why not for audio? Do we want this for audio?
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Mainly becuase of this, I think: Rapid Environment for Audio Prototyping and Efficient Recording

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Interestingly, two of the features we are most excited about have hardly been commented on. In the next few days we will put out some examples of how the new video and reascript features can be used.
It is certainly interesting, but tbh, that worries me slightly more than it excites me. I can imagine that it must be exciting to work such new features to REAPER, much more so than fixing long outstanding bug(let)s and missing features.
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