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Smartphone live monitoring
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I'm building a live rig for my band based on Reaper in OS X - I got a 2015 MacBook pro at a bargain. All is working great with the help of the great Reaper community - I've set up backing tracks, automated patch changes for our guitars, streaming lyrics to the vocalists' phones using the web interface, fantastic stuff. Now what I really need is to send a synth line to the vocalists' in ear headphones, to help them in singing their stuff correctly. In ear monitoring gear is expensive and logistically heavy, so I was hoping for a solution similar to the Reaper web interface, but with audio streaming at reasonable latencies. Sounds like something that would be popular, but I'm not finding much on the topic. Myxyr sounds great - https://www.myxyr.com/en/ but its casting VST is not available on OS X. I will try the plugwire route to get it to work on OS X soon. Any other ideas? Would be great to hear what people have tried, what works well and what doesn't - I'm new to this. Thanks! Last edited by Glacierise; 04-25-2017 at 12:22 AM. |
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Great !
There is another thread in the "Tips and tricks" forum -> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=190797 about both starting backing tracks and changing patches using LiveConfigs. I could not help regarding backing tracks, as I never did do something like this. Maybe you would be inclined to chime in there and report your findings. Thanks a lot, -Michael |
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Regarding the Monitoring I am rather doubtful about streaming audio via Wireless Lan. WLan is very easily disturbed and in that case will do lots of retransmissions before the information is completely received. That is why IMHO low latency transmission via WLan will not work.
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Looking forward to your new topic on that ! If appropriate I will add this to the LiveConfigs documentation. -Michael |
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16 combo inputs, 2 Aux in, 8 outputs (6 aux, 2 main), good preamps (Mid as), 18x18 USB daw interface (low latency), on board comps, eq, FX plus ethernet/WLAN which means you can use smartphones to control individual monitor mixes on stage. All for £500 :-) We've been using the xr18 in our seven piece band for a while now and it's been flawless. The only recommended addition is a 5ghz wireless router to give reliable/secure connectivity at crowded gigs and a long cat5 cable (ours is 40m) to run to a FOH laptop to run the main mix (also a backup for monitor mixes if the wifi screws up, which it never has for us, as yet anyway) |
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I also use that one very happily
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Is that no longer the case? I picked up a 50' powered USB extender cable years ago for emergency use to connect the MIDI controllers directly if I ran into an interference problem. Still never used it. I have run into interference issues a few times. Battling wi-fi with a POS system I suspect (that's Point Of Sale, not...). I've never had both systems go down at once (remote desktop on one wi-fi channel and USB MIDI controllers on a 2nd). |
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My default is ch 1 for MIDI controllers and ch 11 for RDP (because ch 6 is the default in most home routers). |
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2.4ghz or 5ghz for strongest signal with the most range and ability to go through obstacles?
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IIRC 5G is less cluttered/less interference with higher bandwidth at the expense of a shorter range.
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Redundancy is the key. I run FOH with wi-fi MIDI connected controllers and a RDP connection for an iPad. I have had the occasional disconnect but never both systems at once. I think I'll stick with 2.4ghz for my 300' range.
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In a case like this where you'd only be streaming a single, prerecorded track, you might be able to compensate for the streaming latency, but only if you could predict it. I don't know how consistent that might be, though.
I find myself wondering what y'all are doing over there at FOH? My band is mixed when we show up. I send a redundant dual mono signal to the FOH and all there is to do is adjust the SPLs. If there's somebody else "running sound" for the gig, I tell them "turn it up and blame me". That's if I don't just bring my own amps so I don't have to worry about them. Oh! Drums. Yeah. It's always the fucking drummer! Drum triggers are the right answer, but nobody wants to try to tell the gorilla that.
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Basically making sure everything is under control like that so that you guys aren't up on stage in a bubble and embarrassing the hell out of yourselves! Sometimes you have smaller rooms and comfortable situations where you have control over everything well enough without extra help. Sometimes it's just a party and appalling embarrassing sound just doesn't matter to anyone there! (This might be most common actually.) But when it just doesn't run itself on autopilot, that's what we're doing. |
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I guess I have the special situation where all of my sources are essentially silent on stage. Nothing (aside from the vocal) makes any sound until I turn it up. So I look at it like a recording. If the mix is good, it should (does) translate reasonably well to whatever system it moves to. If that system needs to be corrected, it usually doesn't need to happen at my end.
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But what do you do when you leave your anechoic chamber and go into random rooms with different resonances?
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What do you do with your mixes when you take them out of the studio? If the house music before my set sounds good, I'll be fine.
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