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Tutorial: Reaper as live VST host with SWS Live Configs
Hi fellows,
As promised, I'd like to present you my findings in how I've setup Reaper as Live host with Live Configs. I've been working with other Live Host on Windows 8.1 the last year, did some 30 gigs, but got some crashes or some bugs. Needles to say this is problematic in live situations. So I decided to switch over to Reaper.
Here's the YOUTUBE video also (any help on how to export the sws settings and other template stuff for download is welcome)Here's the complete Reaper 4.71 x86 download file with my project, if it can be of any educational help: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6I...it?usp=sharing We will add great extra functionality with the extra plugin SWS, which you can download and install from here: http://sws.mj-s.com/ (find the manual here www.standingwaterstudios.com/reaper/REAPERPlusSWS171.pdf) It contains the Live Config by Jeffos, which is a handy tool and preset selector for live uses. You can find an older manual here http://sws.mj-s.com/download/S&M_LiveConfigs_Ed2.pdf Live configs permits users to easy arrange the playlist and select from your music keyboard with an assigned midi rotary. I'll try to explain step by step, because I know when you start of, it's not that simple. This simple setup tutorial is for live vst FX chains to be used as a synth module. Just select the preset and song as you would on a real synth. I have no special settings for songs or tracks to play along or extra actions. I also don't have an audio input tracks here, but it's the same practice to add. Here we go:
I still need to find a way to change the tempo BPM settings for every song, since tempo is defined for the whole file, you cannot change it with the SWS snapshots. Maybe there are some actions that can do it? If you have different LC setups, please add you screenshots here. It would be very interesting to see users their live setups and best practices. If somebody is interested, I'm willing to share my project file here also. It would be great of other share their files also. As a starting point of course. Let me know if it works for you. Quote:
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04-29-2014, 03:35 AM | #2 |
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It's incredible! But can you make a video with switching between the configs?
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Ok, let me try Camstudio tonight :-)
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04-29-2014, 07:06 AM | #6 |
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the beauty of Reaper.
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http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.ph...ation_with_SWS and http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.ph...pping_with_SWS Btw nice and detailed write up. Thx for this. Very inspiring. Regards Sebastian
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I think you can only change bpm during playback (no direct actions). I also need playback to send bank change messages so I just have reaper running during live use and navigate between items and/or regions to change songs, which loads my notes (s&m), changes the bpm, and even loads the appropriate keyboard patch onto my microkorg. pretty snazzy. Just gotta remember to mute my backing tracks.
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Just wanna add that I really appreciate your work. Obviously you have spend lots of time in configuring stuff and setting up the needed actions. I am in a "similar" position right now.
After years of regular use of DAWs as my production playground (mostly default layout mixed up with customized stuff but nothing gamechanging) I am swlowly changing my complete GUI and Reaper behaviour. I have unbound all mousemodifiers and shortcuts and starting from scratch right now. Eg I think I finally found some nice window behaviour I can live with in Reaper. It is still in very early development but feels somehow pretty tight even at this early stage. I am very impressed with your detailed setup. This one helps me a lot in trying out some new stuff I have not even thought off. I like how you mixed up various Actions, how you arranged your stuff and how everything behaves. Kudos for sharing it with us. If I find the time I will do something similar but I am pretty short on time due various other projects and life. Will definitely subscribe to this thread. Regards Sebastian
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Thx so much my friends for all the loving words !
I've put some work in it indeed, I hope it works out and I can use it for some years. Reprogramming all the stuff takes so much time and when it's useless a bit frustrating... I'm still trying to find out these things: - how to run different actions in 1 action in SWS LC (Live Configs) - the tempo thingy,... so there's no other way than running - can I start running reaper between some markers to automaticly start stop a song with actions? This all would be handy, so when I switch to a setup via LC and press play, it changes the tempo, runs some intro or mp3 playback... All input is welcome Please share the knowledge, I'd love to get reaper running on stage. I switched back last concert to Intone, which is ok, but hangs after a while (think some plugin issues). And I kinda miss the fast way that the vst gui's are loaded. Is there a way to get this fixed in Reaper? That would solve allot. Or do I need to ask for a feature request?
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05-06-2014, 01:34 AM | #11 |
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Btw, I've found a way to not directly or delayed switch the program, with LC you can choose to preselect it and when pushing an other controller button confirm it to load.
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# My sounddesign: Synth1/Ex5/D-50 patches # My stuff: W10 i7x64 laptop, Reaper, Cantabile, mainly Synth1 for Live, NordStage2, Samson Graphite 49 Last edited by godly; 05-06-2014 at 01:44 AM. |
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Are you using different files for every song, or 1 file with all the programs (songs),...? And do you work with regions or so to jump to?
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05-07-2014, 06:46 AM | #13 |
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Godly,
thank you for your detailed post and video! I'm just now experimenting with Reaper in live gigs and your suggestions are very welcome! Stefano |
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Let us know what works or doesn't for you.
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i was using sws region manager to choose and loop regions, but had to set up macros to get certain other behaviors. i prefer selecting items directly so i can have my item notes update on on item selection change. so now i just switch between items with bpm markers at the starts. the macros turn on repeat and set the loop to the item to prevent next songs loading too soon if we played slowly. note that if you want to switch items on a track that's not selected you need the sws "across tracks" item select actions. i also use a midi controller and cycle actions (to select tracks directly by name via console commands) to arm/unarm tracks whenever i need to switch fx chains (each chain on it's own track, all tracks using the same input). switching presets live scares me. plugins can crash then, but selecting and arming tracks is very safe. plus there's usually a bit of delay during the switch and effect trails get cut off. so i arm and unarm tracks with different chains instead of muting them or switching fx presets in order to preserve delay and reverb tails when switching. btw i think we might need an FR for switching banks and bpm outside of playback. might exist already tho...
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Hm, one long with regions,... doesn't that mean you have to 'run' the song?
I'm not sure that's possible with SNS-LC ? Also, Can you have a group of actions, macros, to start stop songs or play regions?
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I'm making progress with this action.
Any experiences of you guys? What I want to ask: do you guys have any clue how to clean up the snapshots? seems that they are taking up all the space and time of loading a new preset. Some presets take way to long (talking about 5 sec or so) and that's to long on stage.
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I wanted to add more sound patches (new tracks w/ new VSTs) and set them up same as the existing, with snapshots, and recalling those snapshots in new rows in LC, same as the existing.
Problem is the new patches do not mute when switching to another. Everything I have checked is the same as the older patches that self-mute when switching to another. Does adding new tracks cause the previous snapshots to not work correctly? Do I need to delete all my previous snapshots and redo them? |
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in each "config" (=table) SWS-LiveConfig simply unmutes the selected track (only one) and mutes all those that are mentioned in that table but this one.
To unmute multiple tracks you need to use more than one config-table. But each table needs to be assigned to listen to a dedicated CC#. So if you want to unmute multiple tracks with a single midi message, you need to do some programming: Either create a new message (e.g. by means of a JSFX) or use the actions SWS-LiveConfigs can issue when a midi message is acknowledged. -Michael |
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bypass split fx
"Preferably you will be showing only some FX windows per song. (you probably want to hide the split FX or other)
Since SWS snapshots does not remember the floating or docked state of an FX, you can hide unused FX in the right corner. (I also have hidden my main window in the right down corner in the Live Screenset.)" Maybe I'm missing something here... Is it possible to bypass split fx when I switch to different config? Sometimes when I use the same vst I do need split, sometimes I don't. I've tried clicking bypass, saving the snapshot but it doesn't work. I have to manually toggle the fx on and off. I'm sure there must be a way to do it via live configs or snapshots but I'm not seeing it. |
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