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Old 05-13-2012, 07:19 AM   #1
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i seen a few models i just don't know which one is best to buy
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Sansamp.

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Old 05-13-2012, 07:42 AM   #3
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i really didn't like my sansamp at all so i sold it.

then i bought a ampeg pre. very noisy and not great bass sound.

then i used the ampeg svx plugin. good but not ideal.

now i'm using the jjpuig waves bass plugin and it's working very well. still not the same as micing a bass cab but very good.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:57 AM   #4
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hmm .....sansamp, not samsamp

i prefer hardware for DI
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hmm .....sansamp, not samsamp

i prefer hardware for DI
Samsamp! YES!!
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ops, lol
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given some real money i would go for

http://www.eden-electronics.com/products/index.asp
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i seen a few models i just don't know which one is best to buy
Let someone BUILD this one for you:

http://www.hansenaudio.se/techpage.h...%20from%201975
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Let someone BUILD this one for you:

http://www.hansenaudio.se/techpage.h...%20from%201975
That looks like a lovely little project for someone to try(me).Its something I wanna get into.

Tell me,have you used one?

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Old 05-13-2012, 11:10 AM   #10
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hmm that will be kind of tough to do..

but guys

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...a-di-pro-di800

i'm gonna buy this one probably

but can u tell me why would i need 8 DI inputs? there?

and any disadvantages u can tell me about this
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:27 AM   #11
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In your situation I would probably buy what you actually NEED rather than bang for the buck of stuff you dont need.

I am spolit for choice as I have a focusrite Octopre which has a couple of instrument direct inputs built in which work pretty well.
{I also have a couple of the wonderful Hughes and Kettner Tubeman Mk 1 boxes AND a tony larkin audio dual tube compressor, which also includes an amazingly nice D.I. for instruments.

And now the good news.

An ART tube pre will. set you back very little money and give you the best of both worlds.
A decent enough tube mic preamp AND an instrument OR line level DI.

Forget fancy stuff like the Sansamp - there are a ton of VST effects that ill give you great bass sound so there is little point buying what is in effect an expensive piece of hardware containing the equivalent of a VST effect.

P.S. I have been a recorded bass player since 1962 so I do have some experience here.

P.P.S. If you are an eccentric millionaire buy a Manley VoxBox. Best bass DI I have ever used for recording.
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That looks like a lovely little project for someone to try(me).Its something I wanna get into.

Tell me,have you used one?
I've just build two of them into my rack (the last three pictures):

http://kelds.weebly.com/ny-phase88-frontpanel.html

But I'm stuck in making some headphone amps right now:

http://kelds.weebly.com/headphone-amps.html

tomorrow I'll go and fetch some missing components.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:51 AM   #13
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Manley VoxBox yea out of my current budget

if you could please say to me why i shouldn't get

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...a-di-pro-di800

cause i was advised to get it
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Manley VoxBox yea out of my current budget

if you could please say to me why i shouldn't get

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...a-di-pro-di800

cause i was advised to get it
You'll only get ONE of Bo's DI-boxes for that kind of money - because of the trafos !
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Old 05-13-2012, 12:20 PM   #15
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Sam..if I were you I'd look at the GAP 73 preamp.The DI on it is VERY nice for bass..and its a top drawer bitching mic pre amp.Two for one no brainer.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:23 PM   #16
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GAP 73 preamp vs ART tube pre vs Behringer Ultra-DI PRO DI800

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Old 05-13-2012, 01:42 PM   #17
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ivansc is this what u were referring to?

http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/A...-MP-STUDIO-V3/

and how do u compare it with this

http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/P...Audio/TUBEPRE/

thanks
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:41 PM   #18
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Having been a bass whacker for over 50 years, I love my Behringer V Tone Bass BDI 21.

Have a look at this video comparing it to the SansAmp
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:23 AM   #19
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Either of these cheapo tube boxes will give you a very similar result and have the added benefit of giving you another mic preamp flavor.
I still use mostly my TLA compressor or the ART project version of that little preamp. Either one does a good job.

The behringer would also be fine but is twice the price of the ART, also has more DIs than you are ever likely to use at one time.
I personally would rather see you spend your money on something a little cheaper that will work and save the rest towards buying a GAP73 pre or similar when you have enough experience under your elt to know what sort of "color" mic preamp you are oikely to want..

The presonus is arguably a nicer cheap valve box (at twice the price of the ART)but there again all you really need is a DI for bass.

FWI I own a GAP73pre and really like it but dont buy it just because it would be a good DI. It is a lot more money and would be a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Although I love what it does to my own vocal sound via my Rode Classic.

But if I ever inherit a few $$$ I will be buying a VoxBox - I'll post a photo so you can all be jealous.

A late thought: The behringer pedal DOES come with lots of glowing reports, so much so (and a a nice price) I may buy one jut for the heck of it. That aand the ART or the Presonus would still be very little $$$ in the scheme of things

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Old 05-14-2012, 05:28 AM   #20
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GAP 73 preamp vs ART tube pre vs Behringer Ultra-DI PRO DI800

:/ :/ :/
The GAP has a very low DI impedance (100k iirc), which will result in a fairly dull tone.

I like my ISA One's DI with switchable impedance (and a great ADC)

On bass forums the Avalon U5 is popular, it's a bit expensive though
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localhost: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As bad as my fixation with the VoxBox really, eh?

OP is a debutant on a lowish budget, too.

P.S. Now I am going to have to try my GAP73pre as a bass DI! Already priced up the behringer thingy at Digital Village
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Whatever you do dont get the Berhinger mic 100..I have 0oe and it sucks.

That last comment about the GAP73's bass DI sound has me fretting now!

I don't want a dull tone!!
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localhost: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As bad as my fixation with the VoxBox really, eh?

OP is a debutant on a lowish budget, too.

P.S. Now I am going to have to try my GAP73pre as a bass DI! Already priced up the behringer thingy at Digital Village
Yeah, the U5 is really expensive. The ISA One Digital is actually not too bad, because it includes a mic pre and a di which can be used at the same time(!) and a great two channel ADC. I got mine for 449€ which, considering the features, is pretty good.

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Whatever you do dont get the Berhinger mic 100..I have 0oe and it sucks.

That last comment about the GAP73's bass DI sound has me fretting now!

I don't want a dull tone!!
If you have an active bass it shouldn't matter. But in that case you might as well plug directly into your interface. (unless of course you want the GAP's distortion )
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If you have an active bass it shouldn't matter. But in that case you might as well plug directly into your interface. (unless of course you want the GAP's distortion )

Ahh my bass is 100% passive.Lately I've been using the soundcards intrument in.Not mad about it though

I just rememebered something...I picked up one of these at a car boot sale about a year ago http://www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_b...o_lx1b_pro.htm
never got around to trying it(except to see if it works..it was only a fiver!)

Gonna have a bash with it later.I've been looking to utilise the s/pdif on my soundcard too..and this yoke has s/pdif too!

I'll report back on my findings.
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Jammy sod! How can it NOT be worth a fiver if it works?

I'll give you a 20% profit and take it off your hands.....
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Jammy sod! How can it NOT be worth a fiver if it works?

I'll give you a 20% profit and take it off your hands.....
I cant believe I forgot about it..I'm in my Mams at the minute or else I'd be messing around with it right now.Its in a drawer with an unused TLA Fatboy tube compressor that isnt getting any action either.
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ok this is what am getting most probably

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/behringer-ul...FRQrfAodmE7eEA

£25.99 will work perfectly i guess as long it does the job
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http://www.dv247.com/guitars/behring...ne-bass--26905

and this is even more specific for bass i think

maybe this one £25.66

hmmm
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You cant go wrong there Sam.I'd get the second one defo.
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I cant believe I forgot about it..I'm in my Mams at the minute or else I'd be messing around with it right now.Its in a drawer with an unused TLA Fatboy tube compressor that isnt getting any action either.
A friend of mine swears by the fatboy for his live bass sound. Runs it into a fairly expensive Ashdown rig but I think it is all smoke and mirrors meself.
He sounded fabulous before he started using it and still does.
But I have to say my TLA Indigo compressor DOES do a great job as a DI for bass.

P.S.*****123***

YOU DO REALISE that Behringer D.I. is essentially for line level inputs not instrument level? Wont do a very good job unless you hook it up to the speaker out of a bass amp.

Oops! Didnt see the second one. You will need BOTH the pedal and the DI though I think. Havent hecked out what the output of the pedal is.
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A friend of mine swears by the fatboy for his live bass sound. Runs it into a fairly expensive Ashdown rig but I think it is all smoke and mirrors meself.
He sounded fabulous before he started using it and still does.
But I have to say my TLA Indigo compressor DOES do a great job as a DI for bass.

P.S.*****123***

YOU DO REALISE that Behringer D.I. is essentially for line level inputs not instrument level? Wont do a very good job unless you hook it up to the speaker out of a bass amp.

Oops! Didnt see the second one. You will need BOTH the pedal and the DI though I think. Havent hecked out what the output of the pedal is.
Yeah..it was the pedal I thought he should get....nerr

But back on topic...ahem ;: Jazes..I didnt know the http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun0...les/tlafat.htm
yoke I have can be used as a LOVELY DI!

I used it for a while on the input tracking vox..gave up on that though


Man..I can not WAIT to get to the lab!

Sorry bout the derail Sam
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A friend of mine swears by the fatboy for his live bass sound. Runs it into a fairly expensive Ashdown rig but I think it is all smoke and mirrors meself.
He sounded fabulous before he started using it and still does.
But I have to say my TLA Indigo compressor DOES do a great job as a DI for bass.

P.S.*****123***

YOU DO REALISE that Behringer D.I. is essentially for line level inputs not instrument level? Wont do a very good job unless you hook it up to the speaker out of a bass amp.

Oops! Didnt see the second one. You will need BOTH the pedal and the DI though I think. Havent hecked out what the output of the pedal is.
Cosmic no problem at all everything you say is interesting guys! good to see different things

ivansc i don't really get what u mean by instrument level ....and i don't think i would be getting a bass amp as i won't be recording from it...
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can you please tell me the best choice out of these

http://www.google.co.uk/#q=behringer...w=1280&bih=685
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I reckon the BDI21 pedal is the man for the job.

Gets a good review here http://www.talkbass.com/reviews/show...hp?product=896

Only €29 on Thomann http://www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_v...ing_preamp.htm

Must say I like the look of this one http://www.thomann.de/ie/harley_benton_bdi2000.htm

Either of those and a nice bass amp sim and you'd be laughing!

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indeed the harley benton looks really nice!

thanks Cosmic! will give that a look also
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is harley benton ok for line level inputs and instrument level???

i don't understand what those 2 things are, ivansc mentioned them before, but i better have both i guess they are important
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i seen a few models i just don't know which one is best to buy
What do you need it for? Stage, recording? If you are 20 feet from your interface, the best one is none as you only need it to balance and impedance match where necessary.
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recording!
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hm i see, so any DI would be ok then
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Well, what I am saying is that if you are doing home recording, and you have an instrument level input on your interface you can go direct in without using a DI.

A DI is used to impedance match the Hi Z output of the pickups to the low Z input of a Microphone Preamp. It balances the signal as well, for long cable runs. If you are within 25 feet or so of your interface, and you have a reasonably good cable and the above mentioned instrument input, then you really don't need a DI.

If you want to use a DI, because you are running through a snake, or into a Mic Preamp, there is a somewhat 'general rule' which can definately be taken with a grain of salt that says use a passive DI for an Active Instrument, and an Active DI for a Passive instrument.

Transformer DI's (passive) will allways alter the sound of the instrument to some extent, and the preamp on an active unit usually doesn't offer the control that you have on your interface input, so therefore, if you don't need a DI, the best DI is No DI.
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