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If AI's produce better music than people, I'm happy to listen to it. We'll just net universal basic income to make up for the lost jobs.
Regarding UBI and robots taking jobs, I'll bet on there being a dystopic era first. Besides musicians, imagine how majority of people who define themselves through paid jobs will feel when AI and robots become better workers than them.

Even in Nordics they already struggle to adjust - as many industries increase automation, politicians attempt to increase employment rates through tax-supported wages and activity workshops for people unneeded by employers. Obviously, taxing wages paid from taxes in the first place gives less than it takes, so as real tax income diminishes and unemployment increases, they'll have to reinvent wealth distribution to maintain the welfare states.

Coming decades will bring big changes, one way or another. The Nordics with their socialist-leaning cultures might survive without much unrest, but in less fortunate environments things may go badly.

Last time when technology, automation and means of communication changed too quickly for the masses - about 100 years ago - came economic collapses, revolutions, wars, authoritarian dystopias, and more wars. Recent situations around the world seem to veer again into that direction.

Which brings right back to deepfakes. As technical media lose trustworthiness - no certainty of who really said what - only the message itself will remain. So essentially, deepfakes won't change much. Whether an orator at a public rally or an AI posting a fake message on social media, what matters is whether the recipients agree with it, and what actions they will take as a result.

Fakes aside, there will probably be cases of AIs - openly identifying as such - developing ideas, and people being happy to be led by them.

For a while, it'll be yet another new mirror for humanity to look into, and the picture won't be all pretty.

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Meanwhile in music, I think deepfake will indeed be just another tool. Probably very fun one too. And at some point, yeah, machines will probably make more interesting music than humans, with real-time biofeedback gathered from listener to guide personalized generation of sensory stimuli. Everyone will have their mood organ.

Eventually even the "listener" will be a "robot" of some kind, too... heck, it's foreseeable that AIs will become the next stage of evolution for humanity, so why worry about inevitable. Might as well just have fun within one's lifetime, and think about how children of humanity won't be bound by physical bodies and short lifespans. They'll survive anywhere energy is available and can remain in the solar system long into Sun's white dwarf stage. For interstellar travel, they won't need to break the speed of light, as their longevity and concept of time won't require it. There'll be Star Treks, but definitely not as we know them

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Old 11-08-2019, 10:32 AM   #42
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I certainly try to be as flawless as I can (=hard work instead of knob turning) and fix a thing here and there...
You must feel really special for leaving the flaws in your production instead of striving for the best possible result. Personally, I prefer to hear great music, regardless of how it came about.

My guess is, you wouldn't even be able to produce music that sounds as good as modern music, even if you tried. So you're comforting yourself by not even trying and calling everyone who does an imposter. Classy!

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Are you seriously calling all of classical music bad? I mean taste is personal and all, but your statement sounds absolute and that's really really stupid.
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imagine how majority of people who define themselves through paid jobs will feel when AI and robots become better workers than them.
You're probably right, and it's really sad that people define themselves through their jobs and feel useless unless if they don't have one.

Personally, I can't wait for the day when robots do all the work that no one wants to do, and everyone can do what they enjoy.

Already, most work is pretty pointless and basic needs like food and housing could be covered with very little effort, but it's difficult to let go of something you've been taught all your life.
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You must feel really special for leaving the flaws in your production instead of striving for the best possible result. Personally, I prefer to hear great music, regardless of how it came about.

My guess is, you wouldn't even be able to produce music that sounds as good as modern music, even if you tried. So you're comforting yourself by not even trying and calling everyone who does an imposter. Classy!



Are you seriously calling all of classical music bad? I mean taste is personal and all, but your statement sounds absolute and that's really really stupid.
Just FYI, you come across like an asshole here. May not have been your intent, but it's definitely the result.
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Just FYI, you come across like an asshole here. May not have been your intent, but it's definitely the result.
I know, but if someone insults all music I like and make, it's a little difficult to stay polite.
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I know, but if someone insults all music I like and make, it's a little difficult to stay polite.
I get heated up sometimes too, for sure. I find it's better to let myself cool off and come back to the topic at hand, whenever that's the case.
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I get heated up sometimes too, for sure. I find it's better to let myself cool off and come back to the topic at hand, whenever that's the case.
That might have been better. Especially since things on the internet tend to live forever. Thanks for being a voice of reason .
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You must feel really special for leaving the flaws in your production instead of striving for the best possible result. Personally, I prefer to hear great music, regardless of how it came about.

My guess is, you wouldn't even be able to produce music that sounds as good as modern music, even if you tried. So you're comforting yourself by not even trying and calling everyone who does an imposter. Classy!

Are you seriously calling all of classical music bad? I mean taste is personal and all, but your statement sounds absolute and that's really really stupid.
WTF are you going on about? I didn't insult you or your music whatever that is... Maybe next time ask for clarification before making so many assumptions, then going all asshole and personal, and maybe work on that temper... You might be the fastest user to date to end up on everyone's ignore list by acting that way.
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Heard anything out of them in the last 10 years that wasn't crude low budget? Obvious loops. Squashed dynamics. Autotune robot voice on everything. Everything sounds like it's always the same kid's Ableton Crash project or something. Some of these click track MIDI Tinkerbell projects wouldn't have made the cut for a b-side a few years back.
There's plenty of new and modern stuff out there that doesn't fall into ^that category - It does take a lot of courage to not do what everyone else is though - tbh not sure if I'd have had that courage at that time in my musical upbringing - I also found chip's "some newbs can't even tell when something is swinging" statement pretty interesting...

The entire point about popular music having a swing to it (yes stuff that isn't a shuffle and notated straight), is one of those "ancient Chinese secrets" that matters in a lot of music. As a musician, it took me years to figure that out and get a handle on it - it becomes especially obvious when you play with other pros who do it by nature, you're playing everything exactly right but it somehow doesn't seem to fit. Been there!

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I think these guys are using a deep fake vocal.

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Personally, I can't wait for the day when robots do all the work that no one wants to do, and everyone can do what they enjoy.

Already, most work is pretty pointless and basic needs like food and housing could be covered with very little effort, but it's difficult to let go of something you've been taught all your life.
Yep. A lot of it comes down to optimizing processes and workflows, developing robots and training AIs - there's still plenty of work to be done in that area - but much also depends on people's attitudes to life, the universe and everything.

Right now it's a strange situation, when in video games entire virtual cities can run automated, and in the real-world military it's possible to sit in a chair remotely bombing people on the other side of the world - but going to a job interview and asking "do your garbage collection trucks have Level 4 autonomy in urban areas, and do they support Xbox controllers for operating lifting arms over a 4G remote link?" will get you laughed out of the room.

But I suppose that'll change soon enough.
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I think these guys are using a deep fake vocal.
That video is farking cool.
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That is farking cool.
Totally live performance too, recorded right there in the porta-potty!
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Totally live performance too, recorded right there in the porta-potty!
It very vaguely reminds me of Lewis Cole. I think we've discussed those guys in the past...

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It very vaguely reminds me of Lewis Cole. I think we've discussed those guys in the past...
That is an excellent video and a fantastic performance! I had the great opportunity to play in a big horn band like that in school.

Clown Core is in fact Louis Cole on drums and keys and Sam Gendel on sax and keys. They both play in the band Knower too, who also records live sessions in unusual places.

I love what Sam Wilkes does with his bass line in this live performance. He's using an oct-divider so it sounds like a synth.

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Yep, familiar with knower and the bass player is bad ass. I super dig that DIY production is so popular as of late - I grew up broke so it's right up my alley. I think I have loads worth of gear in my studio that I've gained over the years - I gotta get back to the bigger productions eventually but enjoying DIY raw too much right now.
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Yep, familiar with knower and the bass player is bad ass. I super dig that DIY production is so popular as of late - I grew up broke so it's right up my alley. I think I have loads worth of gear in my studio that I've gained over the years - I gotta get back to the bigger productions eventually but enjoying DIY raw too much right now.
The guys I rolled with in the 80s were very much like these guys. Great players with warped senses of humor, and I had an Amiga with lots of broadcast video hardware so we'd have parties at my place and make live performance videos, then tweak them up with FX from the Amiga.

One of my favorite ones began with us one by one stepping onto a computer generated platform that then did a Star Trek beaming trick where you would step out of the frame at the right moment, and it appeared as though you were beamed out, but one guy was on crutches so for him, he beamed out first, and we kept his crutches in the frame held up with fishing line, then beamed them out on a second try. Then it cut to us playing Comfortably Numb as if we had been beamed into a band setup in another part of the house.
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I was just thinking about breaking out my green screen again - but it's too much work at the moment as I have to use a different room. On a side note I just uploaded a 6GB video to YT - that's amazing considering the days when it took hours to just download a few MB of data. I did upload an 12GB 360 vid 6 months ago, again, blows my mind we can do such things now - damn whipper snappers don't know how hard we had it back in the day.
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I was just thinking about breaking out my green screen again - but it's too much work at the moment as I have to use a different room. On a side note I just uploaded a 6GB video to YT - that's amazing considering the days when it took hours to just download a few MB of data. I did upload an 12GB 360 vid 6 months ago, again, blows my mind we can do such things now - damn whipper snappers don't know how hard we had it back in the day.
I hadn't played with chromakey in a long time for the same reason. It's been years since I even messed with doing any video production since Soundclick no longer lets me store videos there, and I don't trust Google enough to have any account with them.

I have shot some stuff for my own jollies like a 10x speed video of me putting a 13' kayak on top of my small fuel efficient car and then driving off with it. The original video was many gigs, but I reduced it to a size I could email and still kept decent quality.

I was involved in video capturing from the early days of it's infancy using it for storing customer images. The software company I worked for got me various different ISA capture cards to evaluate and make the decision on which one we would implement. This was with MSDOS before Windows. Once Windows was mainstream, I wrote image capturing for our software that would use whatever Windows had as an MME capture device. The first moving video capturing was awful and extremely low res, so to see HiDef stuff now is still impressive to me.

I have a HiDef tuner farm with four HDHomerun dual tuners and can record as many as eight streams of full frame 1080p video from them, and then play it (either live or recorded) back in any room with a computer (which is every room) or on my iPhone while having a brewsky on the patio. No deep fake plugins are yet available for that setup either.
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Probably the best Deepfake I've seen (this scene works especially well for Deepfake because of the lack of movement):
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Cloning a voice by using a sample of 5 seconds only !
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64 years after James Dean's death, the actor will star in a new movie. Some in Hollywood are horrified but the advances in visual effects could make it commonplace.

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64 years after James Dean's death, the actor will star in a new movie. Some in Hollywood are horrified but the advances in visual effects could make it commonplace.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jame...ffects-2019-11
I read that. They must know that have a crap product from the outset.

If the movie really gets made this one is going to be slated big time. I don't think it will happen though. They will feel the heat from social media pretty soon.

If they have an honest to goodness decent script why not just use someone similar like James Franco anyway?
Uncanny valley would be written all over this one.
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On early Mahavishnu Orchestra albums in the 70s with Billy Cobham on drums, you could frequently hear him clipping the rim of a tom with a stick and other imperfections.
Ironic, I was thinking recently about how raw and rock and roll the first 2 Mahavishnu records were. That's completely missing from "prog" of today, and is what Brand-X and sometimes Yes live had.
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+1000 - I certainly try to be as flawless as I can (=hard work instead of knob turning) and fix a thing here and there... but there's a point where I'd just be an impostor if I removed too much of the human element. I don't need someone else's studio but if I recorded in one, and they handed me a sliced and diced, over-compressed, auto-tuned master, I'd be furious.

PS: Everything good swings a little bit.
I would like an a.i. GAN trained midi editor for drums for this reason.

It is possible to make a plugin that would conform a midi performance to one of a trained dataset, relative to your performance. I know drummers don't want to hear that, just as I also believe eventually it will be possible to have a monolithic plugin that corrects guitar performance timing to elucidate a Hendrix or Page like performance in timing, tonal variation and vibrato.

The "convert classical to jazz" demo should be a wake up call to all musicians. It's not perfect right now, but what it does is a new paradigm. That tech applied to individual tracks will relegate "musicians" to living museums: walking demonstrations of foregone "technology" no longer needed. And we'll creep that much closer to bozos doing the musical equivalent of splattering paint and propping up people with brain damage painting with tempera as "art" to hang on one's living room wall.

Because it somehow reminds people of humanity in it's reckless primitivism.

Uhg.
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That's OK. The major labels aren't anymore either.

Heard anything out of them in the last 10 years that wasn't crude low budget?
Right, but what I mean is maintaining a standard of execution. It may be outdated pragmatically, but there was a transition in the late 60's to now whereby things considered acceptable previously - minor tuning glitches, less than gridded execution, was no longer acceptable.

Listening to Hendrix, Beatles, Zeppelin today none of that would have survived the crucible of Post 80's Production Value. I would like to tip-toe back to that without concern for "well, you know that's not perfectly in tune, and that accent in 4th measure of the second verse is flamming outside of 20 ms". Not to mention the Post Finalizer Apocalypse "the volume wars are over but not really" thinned-out slotted eq lifeless but punching you in the face 2 mix.


It would be nice to just have a plugin that manages the whole thing: gimme the Proper 70's Bill Syzmczyk Dynamics and Eq auto control over each track and not have to think about it.

When I was younger audio engineering was interesting, but now it's just a matter of having to futz about to establish a subjective baseline that incorporates too many conflicting contexts. I'm a musician first, I would much prefer to not have to deal with engineering at all. In that respect I'm reluctantly looking forward to what's to come.
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Karoly makes the best videos on the subject, people should watch all of his videos before thinking they know what's going on now and what's going to happen.
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If they have an honest to goodness decent script why not just use someone similar like James Franco anyway?
Uncanny valley would be written all over this one.
Today, yes.

Fast-forward 30 years, acting as a profession may not exist as we know it.
I'll bet on following happening:


- face replacement, de-aging and other kinds of appearance swapping will become trivial

- facial recognition and physical modeling will result in every possible face and body variation being available for artificial characters

- similarly, enormous amount of AI-usable data will be collected on acting styles and mannerisms, resulting in possibilities of replacing entire *acting styles*, not only appearances

- entirely artificial yet believable characters will become a norm - no need to even capture performances of human actors

- films and other media will be extensively customized for different audiences: in a version of US-made movie adjusted for Chinese market, characters will look Chinese, act with Chinese mannerisms and speak Chinese

- eventually, prototyping and even final production will get closer and closer to AI ingesting a script and giving out a film

- ...and then scripts too will become autogenerated, on the basis of entire history of story-based entertainment. Eventually may come the point of entertainment being generated for each individual person specifically.



I vaguely recall an off-hand comment by a sci-fi writer (could have been J. Michael Straczynski of Babylon 5) which went something like "eventually we won't need human actors". By that point, chances are that we won't need human writers either.

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The "convert classical to jazz" demo should be a wake up call to all musicians. It's not perfect right now, but what it does is a new paradigm. That tech applied to individual tracks will relegate "musicians" to living museums: walking demonstrations of foregone "technology" no longer needed.
I already feel like this.

Anything I compose by mind and hand can almost certainly be done by an AI analyzing large enough sets of previously made music, applying some randomization within genre rules and outputting the results into MIDI, automation and instrument settings. In essence, that's all my brain and body do.

I'm a relic of the past and I know it, and still I persist because I enjoy the process - and occasionally other people enjoy the results.

Sometimes I talk to others about how eventually this will be the situation for majority of people, including most if not all jobs. Older people who will not live to see that time sometimes react negatively, having spent their lives in another era and now being envious of the young.
Many of the young, in turn, seem quite prepared for the Wall-E vision of humanity, while still being excited to learn new things, invent new meanings for their existence and in some ways, becoming more benevolent than their predecessors towards all life on the planet.

In part thanks to those young - with whom I personally seem to share less and less each year, at least in terms of pop culture and music tastes - on an good day I'm happy to be a relic while observing science fiction coming true.
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You're saying that like it's a bad thing. If AI's produce better music than people, I'm happy to listen to it. We'll just net universal basic income to make up for the lost jobs. Yang 2020!
Wasn't meant that way, it was purely a chin rub/head scratch supposition on my part
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I already feel like this.

Anything I compose by mind and hand can almost certainly be done by an AI analyzing large enough sets of previously made music,
In a 1,000 monkeys typing context. An a.i. is not likely to be able to create something that sounds new while at the same time having emotional contextural relevance. I don't think it will get out of the Uncanny Valley without at the same time doing something... trans-human, like making sound that does elicit emotional responses - but doesn't sound like *human created music*.

Non-metaphoric lyric content combined with music will be a gulf it won't be able to cross, I think. It will always feel peculiar. Or - virtuoso instrumental performance involving improvisation, that *embraces* a fractional amount of imperfection - won't happen.

Something like Karen Carpenter singing "We've Only Just Begun", or "Superstar" - won't happen. The solo to "Machine Gun", "Since I've Been Loving You" - there won't be something that sounds *new* that has the same qualities of the above. Ersatz "new" versions, yes. Novel creations, no.

I know I sound contradictory, but I think the use of a.i. in the creative arts will eventually be the main tool used to "get there" for us. All of the "a.i. makes Bach" etc.. demonstrations fall short IMO, and they're certainly *not creating something humans have not heard before*.

What it's doing at the moment is amazing things superficially.

Effectively, a.i. is presently camoflaging nonsense in clear sight. Human creations are not the same as a human face, it's more abstruse.

...but I'm just a human at the Stanford Binet limit. I can't fathom what a thousand bit wide quantum processor based a.i. might do. It may be Kurzweillian transcendent, but in my limitations I cannot see that can happening, but accept it may be possible.


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The problem is that "genre rules" is a human context at a certain granular level.

The GPT 2 algorithm (creates continuations of text input) that's now out there sounds "convincing" if you accept there is no explicit context. The scary part is how it's blended in human-like structure, but if you mess around with it some you realize it has a certain "flavor" that is repetitive. And without the initial human input it does nothing; and what it does is useless.

What it does do is mimic a *style* very scarily well. That is the hard thing to grasp, and the truly amazing part. It's not creating anything, it's putting "style" on something in a way that exceeds our conscious comprehension.

In the same way, as I wrote, *it can apply "style" to preexisting audio. Whether it's the eq and harmonic balance, or the traits of vibrato and timing. This is going to streamline production in an unbelievable way, and unfortunately make many people think they're "musicians" because they're able to make ersatz music out of mediocre non-sense input.

I'm even going to say we'll see a guitar amp one day with a beginner setting: anything you play into it

1) will come out in a specified key
2) will have basic style traits applied to it: "blues vibrato", "metal legato"
3) will have tuning applied
4) will match a variety of Industry Standard guitar sounds.

It will make the Guitar Hero Dunning-Kruger era seem like a prelude to the apocalypse. Everyone will start talking like they're not just musicians, but as technically good as anyone who actually can literally play a certain style legitimately.

This kind of empowerment will have an effect on humans across the board. AS a guitar teacher I'm already these days getting people that think "playing guitar" is something that only takes about a year and no more effort than sitting on the sofa and playing a video game. When this technology reaches the consumer level in a few years, the intellectual confusion of the median-i.q. population is going to be like a bomb going off in humanity.

YouTube has already wrecked a certain aspect of humanity, MOTIVATION. A lot of people no longer have motivation to TRY to do something creative because YouTube has presented the scale and reach of humans plopped right down in front of them. This is a MAJOR change people don't see. I see it because I've been teaching guitar for multiple decades now, and suddenly in the past 2 years or so - nobody wants to make their own music anymore. Unless they're content to just primitively clone something in order to either make money or fill a role at their church.

Motivation to make something from scratch is gone. In a sense a good thing; YouTube has blotted out all of the imposters. On the other hand it's intimidating everyone into submission.

When "everyone" can easily make something akin to their Favorite Recorded Song it's going to diminish that original accomplishment. A decade of that will have wrecked the appreciation of artistry to near non-existence, while probably making some insane. What is being human will either be the Big Question or what IS being a human will have been reduced to drone bee functionality. Not in a faux-Matrix silly sense, but a functional one. As it is today basically everyone just sees "life" as how you fulfill the birth>work>death paradigm. Rigidity of purpose.

When humans fall short of being able to create anything wholly and without a.i. assistance, we'll just stop bothering. Generations of that will result in infantile intellects.

Or maybe not, it might be nice and great. Nice and great.


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I've been teaching guitar for over 30 years. In the past few years I've encountered a number of people that 10 years ago would have been trying to write their own songs, play in bands, record their music.

I haven't seen that in the past 2+ years. It's gone away. People that do have the kernal of an impetus simply don't want to bother. They've given up as humans.

I'm hoping a.i. will make it easy enough to revitalize These People into feeling like it's worthwhile to do. I hope to make music in a combination that occasionally results in a New Configuration and Moment that hasn't been heard before. That's the fun part; people do not see the reward in that any more. They're raised on the sofa in front of their video game reality, go to school and then work. That's all.

I'm afraid a.i. is going to concentrate that into the end of sentient humans within 100 years. <g> Will the a.i. care?

I know, I know, this is funny science fiction stuff...


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No. That's gone. The ones that bother to create are doing so out of the participatory satisfaction of Making Something That Resembles Something Pretty I Like. It's a different motivation from creating as we've known it, it's literally a more sophisticated version of a paint-by-numbers horse. "Creativity" is "oh, look, Little Tommy drew a smiley face on his horse, he's a GENIUS" or "look, Sally used the wrong numbers and her horse is blue, isn't she COOL!?". Nobody is finishing their horse and then trying to learn to actually draw and paint; they're putting aside and saying "I did something!" and going back to school to get a job. That's how music is being made today.


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Heh, as I just wrote, "yeah, this is all just funny science fiction, go back to your desks...".
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Not a.i. based, it concatenates phonemes.


But I'm hoping soon a plugin will make their product capable of providing the starting point for a vocal-style transformer that will streamline it's use (and allow either midi input or a separate instrument based pitch input).

I need a human-vibrato plugin and phrasing enunciation modifier ASAP.
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Today, yes.

Fast-forward 30 years, acting as a profession may not exist as we know it.
I'll bet on following happening:


- face replacement, de-aging and other kinds of appearance swapping will become trivial
It already has.

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- facial recognition and physical modeling will result in every possible face and body variation being available for artificial characters
Standard operating procedure in Hollywood today.

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- similarly, enormous amount of AI-usable data will be collected on acting styles and mannerisms, resulting in possibilities of replacing entire *acting styles*, not only appearances

THIS is the scary part a.i. brings. What you've written above is present technology. You CAN have "Jack Nicholson" in your movie just as they're putting "James Dean" (and previous other people) in movies.

The difference is that a.i. is going to make the timing and extent of the variations tied in such a way that it fits "Jack Nicholson", just as what I'm talking about - a plugin that fits your execution to "the vibrato and timing of Stevie Ray Vaughn" or whoever.

..and I know many reading this will laugh and dismiss it, not realizing *we're already effectively there*. It's going to be messed up...

Or maybe the hobo on the sidewalk with the guitar plugged into the old 90's battery powered amp will be more than quaint and recognized as a HUMAN playing music? Sure.

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- entirely artificial yet believable characters will become a norm - no need to even capture performances of human actors
Hah, you may want to do some Googling, you're about 10 years late...

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- films and other media will be extensively customized for different audiences: in a version of US-made movie adjusted for Chinese market, characters will look Chinese, act with Chinese mannerisms and speak Chinese
Now I think you're yanking the chain? You know about the different versions of the new Top Gun movie made Safe For China?

Translation has already crossed the Rubicon. I didn't expect that to happen in my lifetime, much less in the few years it took Google.

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- eventually, prototyping and even final production will get closer and closer to AI ingesting a script and giving out a film
We're almost.... there now.

I prefer to hope I'll have a "Cinema Shop from Adobe" app to make my own movies.

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- ...and then scripts too will become autogenerated, on the basis of entire history of story-based entertainment. Eventually may come the point of entertainment being generated for each individual person specifically.
We just dipped our toes in that pool last year.

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Michael Straczynski of Babylon 5) which went something like "eventually we won't need human actors". By that point, chances are that we won't need human writers either.


The curious thing about your post - and something I've observed is -
artificial intelligence IS progressing faster than Moore's Law. Unreal fast.


In guitar lessons at work I use Google voice to find the song a student is working on and play it. "Ok Google, play Scarified by Racer-X on Spotify". The funny thing is that there are STILL people of all ages that has NO IDEA this is possible today!

I've even seen tech shows where people talk about Siri ALMOST having the ability to intepret speech "accurately". Meanwhile these IOS zealots are totally oblivious to the reality that Google has, indeed, perfected it.

We've had non-existent "actors" in movies for sometime now. The only difference is we're now allowing a.i. to automate it more and more. We're handing more of the human craftsmanship over to the a.i..
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I bet there are people reading this that don't know about this band...




...or this particularly brootuhl band:




... or this one:



Or this old band...



This band is kind of monotonous, they remind me of an old band called Blind Idiot God (...ironically.. scarily?)

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^You need to remove everything but the video ID.

Btw, those are terrible. Also why did they choose cookie monster music?
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Hi Chip,
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AI machines might be able to crunch out some amazing stuff but they'll be missing out on all the fun.
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AI machines might be able to crunch out some amazing stuff but they'll be missing out on all the fun.
Or not have the experiences to share. I'm not ready to buy that AI can analyze patterns then use that to make someone cry. Also, I'm only older chronologically, I jam it out live almost every weekend to audiences far younger than I and they love it (and I love it) - I'd do it a lot more if I didn't have other things in life to take care of - and none of that has really changed - people love to socialize and hang out with real bands and intermingle with one another.

So, I'm not worried about any of this until my wife is a bot and I can't tell the difference. I can see entertainment based on AI but I don't really worry that I'm going to be replaced any time soon and I've got a good 20-30 years left in me minus unexpected illness or accident.
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