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04-22-2019, 04:15 AM | #1 |
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functional but doesn't work
Been a Reaper user on windows for 5+ years. The windows update situation had me looking for another OS here in the studio. Spent over a week playing around with different linux builds and reaper for linux.
I was definitely expecting more! While the core software seemed to work on all builds as it would play through the computer monitor speakers with a bit of tweaking the soundcard setting in linux. Other than that it was totally useless...... I could find no way to rout audio through my Focusrite Saphire interface. No drivers apparently exist for this. If I had a cheap little bedroom type interface like a scarlett apearentnly It may have been made to work with WINE but I couldn't get the saphire online though I could see it in the UI. VST's and soft sythns were another issue, no drivers again. None of the manufacturers seem to be very interested in providing support of any type for linux. So that leaves a DAW that really cannot stand alone. Without builtin drivers or code to run drivers for another OS This DAW is worse than dealing with the windows 10 updates. IMO until this version can run all necessary plugins and interfaces on it's own it will never actually be useful as a real DAW but rather some geek experiment for guys more into computer programming than recording and producing music. My thoughts, anyways gotta run to stop today's windows update before it crashes my studio.
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04-22-2019, 05:45 AM | #2 | |
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As there are so few DAWs that run on Linux, it does not make sense to them to invest any effort. The existence, quality and and acceptance of Reaper for Linux might help on the long run. Of course a built-in Windows-VST bridge in Reaper could help a lot in this quest. -Michael |
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04-22-2019, 05:55 AM | #3 |
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The first six songs on my music page were all recorded in the Linux version of REAPER. Most of them are using lots of Windows plugins too. I've recently been looking at used rackmount audio interfaces and the Focusrite Saphire is one I've investigated. (I can do four simultaneous inputs with my two M-Audio Delta 2496 cards but am thinking about upgrading to something rack mountable that can do eight) Just a day or so ago I read a post on the net about setting one up in Linux and how to get all the channels working. The person posting said the ADAT interface was all they had not gotten working so far.
The point is that if you want to use Linux, it can be done, BUT it isn't going to be like Windows. It's going to require more work to get things figured out and working. I dislike Windows and Microsoft enough to put up with less compatibility, less support from 3rd parties, and more frustration getting it all to work in order to have better control over my own personal data and over what connections with internet servers that my machine is making. This was one of the articles I mentioned. https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=18016 Last edited by Glennbo; 04-22-2019 at 06:56 AM. |
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As Glen says, it can take some work to get things set up in Linux. Or you can do as I did: choose an interface in advance which is known to work in Linux with no issues. The same can be said for all your computer's hardware. It's best to check in advance if it'll work in Linux and what its limitations are. Then you'll know if you need to do some work to get it running, or if you'd rather choose some other hardware. Linux, in a way, is like any operating system. It works with what it works with. It's up to you to figure that out. Some people run a "live" USB distro to help check if the hardware works, before doing an install to their HDD/SSD. (That's a good last step once you've done your homework, in my opinion.) Focusrite Saffire will work in Linux. I did a Google search and immediately found a thread on Linuxmusicians forums with people talking about how to configure and make it work. (It seems it's the same thread that Glen found.) Tip: Google for "(hardware) Linux" and chances are you'll find some results of people discussing it. There are lots of built-in drivers in the Linux kernel. Not everything is covered though. I find it impressive that so much is actually capable of running "right out of the gate" after a fresh install of a Linux distro. When I switched to Linux I was fine with the software selection that is available for Linux. I'm not trying to run Windows software at all. But if you're an entrenched user of some Windows-only software (or also Mac software), you're going to have to deal with the fact you've just switched to a different OS with different software. Software companies can be reluctant to write software for Linux since maybe a few percent of worldwide computer users run Linux. You can make some Windows-based software work in Linux just fine (lots of it, actually), but this is a different OS so your expecations need adjusting. You decide what's "necessary" for plugins, for you. I have more than enough software necessary to have a professional DAW, for my needs. For that matter I could use strictly freeware/open-source software and have a DAW that people 20 years ago would've been jealous of. I have no idea what you mean when you said "no drivers again" when referring to VSTi. VSTi are just plugins, not drivers. If you want to give Linux a proper evaluation, you'll need to get your interface working and then see if you can make whatever Windows-based software (I assume just some plugins) work in Linux. You can get help on this forum if you ask. |
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04-22-2019, 11:42 AM | #5 |
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It's also quite possible that by just using qJackCtrl he might be able to expose the eight channels of the Focusrite Saffire to REAPER.
I use the routing matrix in qJackQtrl to make my two M-Audio Delta 2496 cards show up as four discreet audio ports that REAPER can use. It's funny because I've been looking at these . . . Used Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 interfaces on GC's used pages. You can get 'em for as cheep as two hundred bucks. |
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Never had a problem with Focusrite & Linux. They work well.
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04-23-2019, 11:30 AM | #7 |
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Who provides the drivers ?
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- Likewise, the interface isn't Reaper's fault. Pretty much nobody offers proper Linux support, so everything is cobbled together by end-users. And again, that's outside of Reaper's control. I agree that it's a crappy situation. My Roland Quad-Capture is able to get sound in and out, but I effectively have to choose between either the analog or SPDIF connections and the interface's knobs spontaneously decided to stop working.
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04-23-2019, 11:27 PM | #9 |
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From the User's POV, it's the same as with - say - 32 bit vs 64 bit Windows.
It's outside of Reaper's control that 32 Bit plugins (dlls) provided by 3rd parties don't run with the 64 bit version of Reaper and vice versa, but in their incredible helpfulness, the Reaper devs included a courtesy "bridge" software functionality in the distribution that automatically is activated when necessary. (Even though there is a 3rd party JBRIDGE product available that does exactly that but needs to be instantiated / configured by the user for any such plugin.) Something like this would be possible (even if a lot more complex to be accomplished) for running VST crafted for Windows in a Reaper version crafted for Linux. -Michael |
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Given how DIY Linux is already, why should Reaper be doing this when a good solution already exists? Should Reaper be bundling a custom version of Wine to make sure it works correctly?
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This is what JBridge is for the 32 Bit / 64 Bit issue. So it should be able to automatically be installed by Reaper in a similar (but of course under the hood by far more complex) way. (AFAIK there is "WineLib", providing the functionality of Wine to be implemented within 3rd party programs. I don't know if LinVST uses same or needs to explicitly needs Wine as an executable.) Of course I do know that there are a lot of licensing, version control and other non-technical issues. The devs need to decide how hard they want to push forward the Linux thingy. But as this sounds like fun, who knows.... -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 04-24-2019 at 08:14 AM. |
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LinVST works really well, but it requires that you have Wine installed and can require a special Wine config for some plugins. Reaper simply cannot emulate enough of Windows to do this without involving Wine.
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04-24-2019, 08:04 AM | #14 |
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When I first came to Linux about 8 or 9 months ago, I had zero expectations that REAPER would be usable and set my machine up to dual boot Windows 7 and Xubuntu.
I thought I would use Windows 7 offline since support ends in 2020, and do everything besides music in Linux which would be online. I never even tried the Windows version in WINE, but a month after installing Linux Justin dropped the test version for Linux on the main site, so I grabbed it. A week later I posted about the high latency I was getting with Windows plugins but I was using "airwave" as my VST bridge and could only run it with a minimum of 512 samples. Then I found LinVST and can now run Windows plugins at the same 64 samples latency that I used in Windows. Since then I have replaced most of my audio processing plugins with native Linux versions, some free and some paid. Because of all this unexpected success in running REAPER for Linux, I am now contemplating the vaporization of the Windows 7 half of my dual boot DAW, because I need Windows that much. In summary, my experience with REAPER after switching OSs has been quite like my move from Win7 32-bit to Win7 64-bit. When I moved to 64-bit, every one of my plugins were bridged except for the native REAPER plugs. One-by-one I replaced them with native 64-bit versions only using a handful that I couldn't find replacements for. That's where I'm at with REAPER for Linux. Only stuff I'm bridging now are VSTi plugins like Kontakt, Piano Essentials, Superior Drummer, Etc. Almost all my audio VST plugs are now native Linux, and I'm only still bridging a couple like PSP Vintage Warmer which I'll eventually replace with U-he's "Presswerk", but are going to cost me some coin to do. |
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Obviously. As there is not even no Linux version of Kontakt itself, but also no Linux product that is able to "run" the thousands of Kontakt libraries that are available.
Hence, a kind of script or installer that without the user needing any expertise installs and manages Kontakt (full and Player, including Licensing Kontakt itself and any payed Linraries with NI) would be a huge first step. -Michael Last edited by mschnell; 04-24-2019 at 08:31 AM. |
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